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Hi yoink,

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the best thing the Republican party could do



It is simply too late. The best thing the R's could have done is not let Trump in the same tent with them.

They should have just denied him any attention and not allowed him into the debates.

They did it to themselves; no one else to blame.

Jerry Baumchen

PS) I think the saying is: You live by the gun, you die by the gun.

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yoink

The damage is already done this year.

People will vote for Trump and hopefully they'll lose. Then they'll scream about rigged elections for a few months until they get bored and go home. Or they'll do something terrible.

When Trump loses the best thing the Republican party could do would be to make a statement straight after the election saying 'We fully stand behind the outcome of this election and repudiate any notions of rigging or falsifying the votes of this election and request that all patriotic Americans do the same. It does not benefit us as a country to disseminate lies that damages faith in our political system.

While we are ashamed that we didn't better represent those people who believed in the Republican party, this election has highlighted the crisis that exists for us. The American people deserve better from yor chosen representatives and we promise to deliver on that."



Hmm... That would take character, maturity, respect for our democracy, sober introspection, and being in touch with reality.

Certainly not the Republican party we know.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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When Trump loses the best thing the Republican party could do would be to make a statement straight after the election saying 'We fully stand behind the outcome of this election and repudiate any notions of rigging or falsifying the votes of this election and request that all patriotic Americans do the same. It does not benefit us as a country to disseminate lies that damages faith in our political system.




Who would issue this statement? Usually the candidate speaks for the party. There is no other spokesperson.
Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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When Trump loses the best thing the Republican party could do would be to make a statement straight after the election saying 'We fully stand behind the outcome of this election and repudiate any notions of rigging or falsifying the votes of this election and request that all patriotic Americans do the same. It does not benefit us as a country to disseminate lies that damages faith in our political system.




Who would issue this statement? Usually the candidate speaks for the party. There is no other spokesperson.



After the election, the head of the RNC, or more likely the R congressional leadership. Trump will no longer be the candidate, just the former candidate.

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Rote told Iowa Public Radio that she cast her first ballot for Trump but feared it would be changed to a vote for Hillary Clinton.



And there's the evidence danger of the nonsense Trump has been spouting.
Based upon NO evidence or facts, this woman was convinced to commit a felony because Trump can't control his mouth. It's deeply worrying that some people take what he says at face value and will act on that despite an absence of any, you know, evidence.

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Rote told Iowa Public Radio that she cast her first ballot for Trump but feared it would be changed to a vote for Hillary Clinton.



And there's the evidence danger of the nonsense Trump has been spouting.
Based upon NO evidence or facts, this woman was convinced to commit a felony because Trump can't control his mouth. It's deeply worrying that some people take what he says at face value and will act on that despite an absence of any, you know, evidence.

And now Drumpf was in CO, telling his voters to vote by mail, then vote again at the polls, (with a dog whistle to do it multiple times): http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/30/politics/donald-trump-write-in-ballots/:S

And his claims that the mail-in ballot will be voided if you vote at the polls is BS.
Everyone in CO gets a mail-in ballot.
You are required to surrender the mail-in ballot at the poll, in order to vote at the poll: https://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/elections/vote/electionFactSheet.html
Difficult to do that if you already mailed it.
"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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>And there's the evidence danger of the nonsense Trump has been spouting.

From an article in the NYT written by Garry Kasparov:

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Nobody in the American political establishment is happy about Mr. Trump’s wild-eyed accusations of voter fraud and media conspiracies because they understand that it undermines their own credibility as leaders in a democracy. This is exactly why my country’s leader, Vladimir V. Putin, is so delighted by Mr. Trump’s charges.

In power for 16 years now, Mr. Putin and his global propaganda machine aggressively promote the idea that democracy is a chaotic mess that only the hero Putin can save Russia from falling into. Social media is flooded by Kremlin-funded trolls ranting about the illegitimacy of the American election process and warning of the potential for violence. To have a major party nominee in America repeating this propaganda is beyond Mr. Putin’s wildest dreams. Mr. Trump even echoes Mr. Putin’s authoritarian rationales, presenting himself as the only one who can rescue America.
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Trump/Putin 2016!

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Meanwhile, in Libertarian Land:

www.politico.com/story/2016/11/bill-weld-vouching-for-clinton-230622


“As I think you're aware, I see a big difference between the R candidate and the D candidate. And I've been at some pains to say that I fear for the country if Mr. Trump should be elected. I think it's a candidacy without any parallel that I can recall. It's content free and very much given to stirring up envy and resentment and even hatred. And I think it would be a threat to the conduct of our foreign policy and our position in the world at large.”
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>And there's the evidence danger of the nonsense Trump has been spouting.

From an article in the NYT written by Garry Kasparov:

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Nobody in the American political establishment is happy about Mr. Trump’s wild-eyed accusations of voter fraud and media conspiracies because they understand that it undermines their own credibility as leaders in a democracy. This is exactly why my country’s leader, Vladimir V. Putin, is so delighted by Mr. Trump’s charges.

In power for 16 years now, Mr. Putin and his global propaganda machine aggressively promote the idea that democracy is a chaotic mess that only the hero Putin can save Russia from falling into. Social media is flooded by Kremlin-funded trolls ranting about the illegitimacy of the American election process and warning of the potential for violence. To have a major party nominee in America repeating this propaganda is beyond Mr. Putin’s wildest dreams. Mr. Trump even echoes Mr. Putin’s authoritarian rationales, presenting himself as the only one who can rescue America.
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Trump/Putin 2016!



Oh woe to America because trump TV is coming soon. 24 hours a day to non-stop corruption conspiracy theory. With a good mix of reporting on how immigrants rape and steal.

For a lighter note:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stGhjokq57U

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Once again Trump shown to be lying by . . . Trump.
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Video shows Trump with mob figure he denied knowing
Michael Isikoff
Yahoo News
November 2, 2016

A newly uncovered video appears to contradict Donald Trump’s claim that he never knew a high-stakes gambler who was banned from New Jersey casinos for alleged ties to organized crime.

The reputed mob figure, Robert LiButti, can be seen standing alongside Trump in the front row of a 1988 “WrestleMania” match in Atlantic City, N.J. LiButti wasn’t there by accident, according to his daughter, Edith Creamer, who also attended the event. “We were his guests,” she told Yahoo News in a text message this week.

The video was given to Yahoo News by a confidential source who discovered it in the online archives of World Wrestling Entertainment, the sponsor of “WrestleMania.”

The video appears to lend new support to assertions Trump once had close relations with LiButti, who was banned from the state’s casinos in 1991 because of his ties to Mafia boss John Gotti, then the chief of the Gambino crime syndicate. Separately, the New Jersey Casino Control Commission that same year levied $650,000 in fines against the Trump Plaza hotel over its dealings with LiButti, who gambled huge sums at the hotel’s casino. LiButti died in 2014.

“That’s definitely Bob LiButti standing right next to Donald Trump,” said David Cay Johnston, an author and former Pulitzer Prize-winning New York Times journalist who, as a reporter for the Philadelphia Inquirer, extensively interviewed the gambler in the early 1990s.

. . . .

A Yahoo News story last March documented multiple dealings between LiButti, a professional horse breeder, and Trump in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Creamer, LiButti’s daughter, said then the casino mogul was a “liar,” adding that “it pisses me off that he denies knowing my father.” In fact, she said, her father gambled millions of dollars at the Trump Plaza, flew frequently on Trump’s private Super Puma helicopter and partied aboard his yacht.

Jack O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza, said that Trump and LiButti even did a business deal together. During a trip the two of them took aboard Trump’s private helicopter, Trump agreed to pay $500,000 for one of LiButti’s prized thoroughbreds — a racehorse he promptly renamed “D.J. Trump.” But when the horse later went lame, Trump “reneged” on the deal, O’Donnell said.

Questions arose again about their dealings in July when a new book by Johnston, “The Making of Donald Trump,” charged that the mogul “lavished gifts” on LiButti, while also trying to seduce Creamer, who was married at the time. The mogul’s advances toward Creamer enraged LiButti, who, in Johnston’s account, threatened Trump, saying: “Donald, I’ll f***ing pull your balls from your legs.”

. . . .

In the past, Trump has consistently downplayed his relationship with LiButti. “If he was standing here in front of me, I wouldn’t know what he looked like,” Trump told the Philadelphia Inquirer when he was first questioned by Johnston about LiButti, in 1991.

Earlier this year, when questioned again about LiButti by Yahoo News, Trump emailed a reporter: “During the years, I very successfully ran the casino business, I knew many high rollers. I assume Mr. LiButti was one of them, but I don’t recognize the name.”
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Hi 434,

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Who is your man or woman in office?



It looks like someone has made a choice; Libertarian vice presidential candidate Bill Weld: "I know her well personally," Weld, a former Republican governor of Massachusetts, said of Clinton on MSNBC's "The Rachel Maddow Show." "I know her to be a person of high moral character, a reliable person and an honest person, however so much Mr. Trump may rant and rave to the contrary."

http://www.nbcnews.com/card/libertarian-vp-candidate-im-here-vouching-mrs-clinton-n676726

Jerry Baumchern

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"President Barack Obama has urged Democrats of all ethnic backgrounds to get out and vote for Hillary Clinton, warning that the fate of the US republic - and the world - is at stake."
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37854525

"Paul Krugman: Nothing less than the fate of the world is at stake in this election"
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/01/paul_krugman_nothing_less_than_the_fate_of_the_world_is_at_stake_in_this_election/

The weight of the world on US voters, such a burden.

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NLRB decrees that Las Vegas hotel owned by self-proclaimed champion of the working class has been violating federal law be refusing to negotiate with union:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trumps-las-vegas-hotel-union_us_581bf2f2e4b0d9ce6fbb08ad
"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Reuters already calling it:

JUST IN: Clinton has 90 percent chance of winning enough Electoral College votes to beat Trump in #Election2016 - Reuters/Ipsos



I am very happy about the likelihood of Trump losing.
I am also terrified about the likelihood of Hillary winning.

and......there you have it

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