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wolfriverjoe

***...We have a Kiwi progressive/liberal/socialist/BHO & HRC lover up here in the mountains. Life is getting uncomfortable for that person and I hear plans are being considered to relocate...



Translation:

When we decide someone is around that disagrees with our beliefs, we terrorize them into leaving.

"Democracy, Freedom and Liberty" at it's finest.

Just out of curiosity, who was there first?
Them or you and your "tribe"?

The Christian tribe was here. My wife and I joined them. The Cherokee Nation had many Christians among their numbers. President Andrew Jackson, Democrat, and other treacherous people ran them out in 1839. About 4000 died on the Trail of Tears and were given Christian funerals and burials.

We have been loving to the New Zealander mentioned above. Trying our best to help this individual survive and to extend invitations for church fellowship. It is simply difficult to fraternize in the community as an atheistic socialist.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Metropolitan communities are vastly different than mountain and other rural communities. That is why my wife and I chose to leave our family and friends in Tampa and move here. It is more like home.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Yes, they are. Metropolitan communities seem to be a little more likely to understand that it's generally better to love your neighbor as he is, rather than only as you would have him be. I too spent a long time being unable to voice my opinion. I too moved to where I was able to do so. I do understand trying to find your people.

The thing is that in a large society, if you want the benefits of that society, you need to understand the balance: that they come from the strength of different skills working together, and benefitting each other.

Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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SkyDekker

******Another one who says he is a patriot when really he means the exact opposite



IMO:

You just disrespected a man who dedicated his entire life's work for democracy, freedom and liberty.

We have a Kiwi progressive/liberal/socialist/BHO & HRC lover up here in the mountains. Life is getting uncomfortable for that person and I hear plans are being considered to relocate.

Hillbilly: A higher altitude redneck.

He is just another racist idiot who has a problem with 4 people dying during Democratic control, but fully supports Republicans when they invade countries and cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

He is a brainless, un-patriotic fuckwhit who rates lower than a piece of shit, using dead people for some political ploy.

You're getting really good lately at hurling names and labels at people. F****** sad at best
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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wmw999

Yes, they are. Metropolitan communities seem to be a little more likely to understand that it's generally better to love your neighbor as he is, rather than only as you would have him be. I too spent a long time being unable to voice my opinion. I too moved to where I was able to do so. I do understand trying to find your people.

The thing is that in a large society, if you want the benefits of that society, you need to understand the balance: that they come from the strength of different skills working together, and benefitting each other.

Wendy P.



IMO:

It is paramount to understanding that the motivation is survival as well as retiring to a community where you fit. We believe that trouble is coming to the metropolitan areas. We are too old to fight. We have to take a defensive position.

If you have to live and work in a diverse metropolitan area than it certainly behooves you to be cooperative. In retirement the desire to cope diminishes. We simply want to share our lives and serve in a Christian environment before the hammer falls and we are hunted.

We just watched a documentary "1971" on Netflix about the Media PA FBI break in. I remember my sympathetic liberal left leanings of that year. What I realize now is that the "New Left" has gained the power they sought and they have become worse than the "Conservative Right" they overthrew.
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rushmc

*********Another one who says he is a patriot when really he means the exact opposite



IMO:

You just disrespected a man who dedicated his entire life's work for democracy, freedom and liberty.

We have a Kiwi progressive/liberal/socialist/BHO & HRC lover up here in the mountains. Life is getting uncomfortable for that person and I hear plans are being considered to relocate.

Hillbilly: A higher altitude redneck.

He is just another racist idiot who has a problem with 4 people dying during Democratic control, but fully supports Republicans when they invade countries and cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

He is a brainless, un-patriotic fuckwhit who rates lower than a piece of shit, using dead people for some political ploy.

You're getting really good lately at hurling names and labels at people. F****** sad at best

IMO:

The object of these progressive/liberals is to demoralize us to break us down. They want to anger us to the point of unsocialized behavior requiring sanction. This individual is simply not smart enough to understand that using the language of a low level thug just makes him pathetic, an adolescent mentality that needs to be encouraged into adulthood.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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The counter to that is that discourse is the path of the adult. Reasonable argument and all that... You actually typed a paragraph a couple of posts above that I can understand and empathize with, for example.

Bullying people who don't fit with your particular beliefs until they physically move is the opposite to that - a profoundly juvenile behavior.

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ryoder

You are missing the "Praying for a viable 3rd party candidate" option.



Your poll is missing this. But I don't see a viable 3rd party option this year. So for the first time I'm just going to write in who ever I want for the presidential race, and then vote in the more important local (Palo Alto city) election issues.

My write in is for: Elon Musk.

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AlanS

***You are missing the "Praying for a viable 3rd party candidate" option.



Your poll is missing this. But I don't see a viable 3rd party option this year. So for the first time I'm just going to write in who ever I want for the presidential race, and the vote in the more important local (Palo Alto city) election issues.

My write in is for: Elon Musk.

See section titled: "What are the rules for write-in candidates?"
http://www.calvoter.org/voter/faq.html
"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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The counter to that is that discourse is the path of the adult. Reasonable argument and all that... You actually typed a paragraph a couple of posts above that I can understand and empathize with, for example.

Bullying people who don't fit with your particular beliefs until they physically move is the opposite to that - a profoundly juvenile behavior.



IMO:

You have misunderstood my posts. Please read and compare post #2002 and #2013. I stated the individual was uncomfortable because folks here do not agree. I stated that we have tried to help and have extended invitations to church. This individual is an atheist and progressive/liberal. This individual does not fit well and that is not our problem. I doubt he leaves, he is more likely to remain and complain.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Another article that accurately articulates our disgust with HRC. It was written by a former jumper and close friend, John "Cass" Cassady, USSF, LTC (Ret). He was one of the first of our FL clan to move to the mountains.

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Stephen Wright said " if you must choose between the lesser of two evils, choose the one you haven't tried yet.".......


Does Truth Matter?


Hillary Clinton is a compulsive liar who has proven she is not worthy of the trust and confidence of the American people. Over four decades ago while working as a staff member for Jerry Zeifman, the Democratic general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, on the Watergate investigation, Clinton earned these comments: “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer who conspired to violate the Constitution, rules of the House, rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”

Clinton was one of only three people who failed to receive a letter of recommendation in Zeifman’s 17 year career.

Her behavior since those days have shown consistent and continuing patterns of deceit, lies, fabrications, failures and unethical conduct culminating in scandal after scandal. As Secretary of State she played a key role in the corrupt and failed administration of Barack Obama. Her failure to provide adequate security and relief for the staff of the Benghazi facility in Libya resulted in destruction and the death of Americans. Her lies to Americans and the families of the perished are well known. Her violation of the federal security laws pertaining to highly classified and sensitive documents (emails) and personnel are serious matters of National Security. The Clinton Foundation appears to be a money laundering operation worthy of a complete Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) investigation for the selling of access and influence of the State Department to the highest bidders.

“Whoever can be trusted with little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much. So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches?” Luke 16:10-11.

Why should anyone trust another Clinton to be America’s President and Commander In Chief? It makes more sense to take a chance on “making America great again” with a strong unconventional leader dedicated to the American people.


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RonD1120

************Another one who says he is a patriot when really he means the exact opposite



IMO:

You just disrespected a man who dedicated his entire life's work for democracy, freedom and liberty.

We have a Kiwi progressive/liberal/socialist/BHO & HRC lover up here in the mountains. Life is getting uncomfortable for that person and I hear plans are being considered to relocate.

Hillbilly: A higher altitude redneck.

He is just another racist idiot who has a problem with 4 people dying during Democratic control, but fully supports Republicans when they invade countries and cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

He is a brainless, un-patriotic fuckwhit who rates lower than a piece of shit, using dead people for some political ploy.

You're getting really good lately at hurling names and labels at people. F****** sad at best

IMO:

The object of these progressive/liberals is to demoralize us to break us down. They want to anger us to the point of unsocialized behavior requiring sanction. This individual is simply not smart enough to understand that using the language of a low level thug just makes him pathetic, an adolescent mentality that needs to be encouraged into adulthood.

this I understand

but I like to call them out on it

It is sad, pathetic and dangerous
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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normiss

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I doubt he leaves, he is more likely to remain and complain.


Precisely what you are doing.
Weird.
:S


IMO:

That is a good observation. What is your suggestion?
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RonD1120

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I doubt he leaves, he is more likely to remain and complain.


Precisely what you are doing.
Weird.
:S


IMO:

That is a good observation. What is your suggestion?

How about love him as a neighbor and treat him with respect?

You know, like that one fella said to do.
"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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wolfriverjoe

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I doubt he leaves, he is more likely to remain and complain.


Precisely what you are doing.
Weird.
:S


IMO:

That is a good observation. What is your suggestion?

How about love him as a neighbor and treat him with respect?

You know, like that one fella said to do.

I believe I have stated that above.
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RonD1120

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I doubt he leaves, he is more likely to remain and complain.


Precisely what you are doing.
Weird.
:S


IMO:

That is a good observation. What is your suggestion?

How about love him as a neighbor and treat him with respect?

You know, like that one fella said to do.

I believe I have stated that above.

Well, in a post on the previous page you wrote:

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We have been loving to the New Zealander mentioned above. Trying our best to help this individual survive and to extend invitations for church fellowship. It is simply difficult to fraternize in the community as an atheistic socialist.



My experience with fundamentalist "Christians" is that the 'invitations' are accompanied by a lot of threats of fire and brimstone and damnation if they don't repent and do what they are told to do.

It is very difficult to fraternize with people who are convinced that their way is the only way and that all others must follow the exact same way or suffer "God's Wrath."

If dude doesn't want to join your church, don't force it.

But that shouldn't mean you can't treat him with love, kindness and respect even if he doesn't believe as you do.

And I (as usual) fail to understand why you can't fraternize with "socialists", especially since you and (apparently) many of your "tribesmen" are retired, collecting social security and using medicare.
"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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wolfriverjoe




Well, in a post on the previous page you wrote:

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We have been loving to the New Zealander mentioned above. Trying our best to help this individual survive and to extend invitations for church fellowship. It is simply difficult to fraternize in the community as an atheistic socialist.



My experience with fundamentalist "Christians" is that the 'invitations' are accompanied by a lot of threats of fire and brimstone and damnation if they don't repent and do what they are told to do.

It is very difficult to fraternize with people who are convinced that their way is the only way and that all others must follow the exact same way or suffer "God's Wrath."

If dude doesn't want to join your church, don't force it.

But that shouldn't mean you can't treat him with love, kindness and respect even if he doesn't believe as you do.

And I (as usual) fail to understand why you can't fraternize with "socialists", especially since you and (apparently) many of your "tribesmen" are retired, collecting social security and using medicare.



IMO:

You are assuming way too much. This person has only been dealt with in love. There have been no threats at all. The individual in question simply cannot deal with conversations focusing on right wing Christian conservative capitalism as opposed to progressive/liberal atheist socialism.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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You are assuming way too much. This person has only been dealt with in love. There have been no threats at all. The individual in question simply cannot deal with conversations focusing on right wing Christian conservative capitalism as opposed to progressive/liberal atheist socialism.



So talk about the weather, like nice people do. Stay away from politics and religion. Like your mother taught you.
Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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AlanS

***You are missing the "Praying for a viable 3rd party candidate" option.



Your poll is missing this. But I don't see a viable 3rd party option this year. So for the first time I'm just going to write in who ever I want for the presidential race, and then vote in the more important local (Palo Alhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0to city) election issues.

My write in is for: Elon Musk.


Somebody might have already pointed this out, but consider that Richard Pryor may have been way ahead of his time in this movie clip. Food for thought. :)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0
The best things in life are dangerous.

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You are assuming way too much. This person has only been dealt with in love. There have been no threats at all. The individual in question simply cannot deal with conversations focusing on right wing Christian conservative capitalism as opposed to progressive/liberal atheist socialism.



So talk about the weather, like nice people do. Stay away from politics and religion. Like your mother taught you.



IMO:

You do not understand real people that are not phony. We talk about things that are important but in a polite way. In recovery, we call it rigorous honesty.

We are not responsible for someone else's feelings. Each person has to learn to handle and express their own emotions. It is risky to live that way but it is the shortest distance on the path of growth.

In other words, if you want to manipulate someone you flatter them with surface comments. If you are rigorously honest you share what is real from your gut.

That is how you find true friends. We don't look for people who are easy to snow. We look for real people, those who stand up for what they believe. We look for people willing to take personal responsibility. We look survivors who can stand on their own.

Trump is real. Hillary by her reputation, her current behavior and her self admission is two faced.
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millertimeunc

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My write in is for: Elon Musk.



Somebody might have already pointed this out, but consider that Richard Pryor may have been way ahead of his time in this movie clip. Food for thought. :)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0

About the only thing I agree with in the video is at 1:33.

First voting for either candidate will do harm to this country.

Trump because he is a narcissistic and a demagogue that will (indeed already has) divide this country by exploiting people's prejudices.

Voting for Clinton is voting for entrenching an America oligarchy. If Clinton wins in the year 2020, 22 of the past 30 years the name of the President would be either Bush or Clinton. That is too much power in the hands of two families. Political power will be too concentrated in just a few families.

Since, I'm not voting for either of those, I spent some time thinking of all the people in this country who would I want to be our leader.

And for me that is Elon Musk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

Most importantly he isn't a lawyer who has spent their entire life trying to gain power.

Elon Musk has degrees are in physics and business, and he was starting a PhD at Stanford in applied physics when he dropped out to start is companies.

He has built business with more purpose than just to make him rich. He his business support a vision of the future that tries to solve real problems wer are facing. (Not make them worse).

Tesla, SpaceX, SolarCity... Might not be the smartest thing to do if your only goal was to be richer than Bill Gates. These are businesses you would start to solve real problems that we face.

We've got some serious issues to deal with regarding CO2 emissions, space, transportation and improving the electrical grid. Elon Musk one of the few thinking constructively how to solve them, and the only one putting is own money on the line to solve it.

He isn't just building casinos to put his name on them, as is T's only accomplishment.


He is moderate. Which is something we needed in a stupidly bi-polar Washington DC.

wikipedia


Politically, Musk has described himself as "half Democrat, half Republican". In his own words: "I'm somewhere in the middle, socially liberal and fiscally conservative."



And even though he wasn't born here, or maybe because he wasn't born here, is a proud of what America has done for freedom in the world.

wikipedia


Musk is a self-described American exceptionalist and nationalist, describing himself as "nauseatingly pro-American". According to Musk, the United States is "[inarguably] the greatest country that has ever existed on Earth", describing it as "the greatest force for good of any country that's ever been". Musk believes outright that there "would not be democracy in the world if not for the United States", arguing there were "three separate occasions in the 20th-century where democracy would have fallen with World War I, World War II and the Cold War, if not for the United States".

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