RonD1120 58 #951 May 1, 2016 turtlespeed Evidently it didn't go unnoticed by the President.. His retort is around 0:40 Did you catch the proud, smug, gloating socialist announcing the end of "the Republic" at the beginning?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #952 May 1, 2016 The basis of the counseling profession rests on the principle that we live the life we choose. If you are experiencing problems with your health, your close personal relationships, your employment or in society you have to take responsibility for yourself and make other choices. If you choose to do nothing and blame others then you are stuck in your problem.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #953 May 1, 2016 RonD1120*** Evidently it didn't go unnoticed by the President.. His retort is around 0:40 Did you catch the proud, smug, gloating socialist announcing the end of "the Republic" at the beginning? As was pointed out in another thread, one of the big problems right wingers have is the almost total absence of a sense of humor or context... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #954 May 1, 2016 RonD1120The basis of the counseling profession rests on the principle that we live the life we choose. Sorry for the side bar here but . . . . How do you square that with "God" having a plan for everything? Do you have "free will" or not?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #955 May 1, 2016 Interesting timing of NPR piece on addiction and the use of AA Apparently non-believers do not have the same success as the believers. Maybe Ron's type of "counseling" isn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #956 May 1, 2016 I believe God wants us to choose to know Him and His love. To that end He sent His Son to show us and to open the gate to the bridge to cross over. That is only one aspect of our free will choice. He knows now, has known from the beginning, and knows in the future who will choose Him and who will not. I believe we are in the period of the great apostasy, the falling away. This issue is separate although conceptually part of the counseling profession. Rest assured not all counselors are Christian. Some are Jewish, Hindu, Buddhists and Atheists to name a few.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #957 May 1, 2016 In all the substance abuse/addiction treatment programs where I worked, the object was to separate the abuser/addict from his environment and into a period of sobriety. During that time we acquainted him with the AA/NA programs so that they would have the ongoing follow up of a support group post treatment. To that end we had them work an extensive First Step. I always maintained that we needed to have substance use disorder classified as a disease in order to receive third party payments. Court ordered treatment, the type I worked, required paid professionals to document the treatment. Thus satisfying the court requirement. Without documented successful completion of a program the only other alternative is incarceration. And, incarceration does little to nothing for rehabilitating the abuser/addict. The last program I worked incorporated Cognitive Behavioral Therapy as part of the treatment regimen. The main difference, I see, in substance abuse/addiction to other diseases is the psychological desire to pursue euphoria over all other personal, family or social requirements.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #958 May 1, 2016 I'll admit without shame, I see no humor whatsoever in BHO.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #959 May 1, 2016 RonD1120He knows now, has known from the beginning, and knows in the future who will choose Him and who will not. You can't have it both ways. If your god knows what the future holds for people, then those people's futures are set in stone, and they have no free will. If they have free will, then their futures cannot be known, not even by your god.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 143 #960 May 1, 2016 quade ***The basis of the counseling profession rests on the principle that we live the life we choose. Sorry for the side bar here but . . . . How do you square that with "God" having a plan for everything? Do you have "free will" or not? https://youtu.be/U6-zi25GgVE Does God know what it's like to snort a line of coke off a hookers ass?Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #961 May 1, 2016 nigel99 ******The basis of the counseling profession rests on the principle that we live the life we choose. Sorry for the side bar here but . . . . How do you square that with "God" having a plan for everything? Do you have "free will" or not? https://youtu.be/U6-zi25GgVE Does God know what it's like to snort a line of coke off a hookers Johhny Depps ass?FTFYI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 291 #962 May 2, 2016 RonD1120*** Evidently it didn't go unnoticed by the President.. His retort is around 0:40 Did you catch the proud, smug, gloating socialist announcing the end of "the Republic" at the beginning? From where I sit, true Christianity is pretty similar to true Socialism, and I don't much cotton to either of them. Of course, there are many "Christians" whom I wouldn't consider to be true Christians, and I have not use at all for them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 143 #963 May 2, 2016 turtlespeed *********The basis of the counseling profession rests on the principle that we live the life we choose. Sorry for the side bar here but . . . . How do you square that with "God" having a plan for everything? Do you have "free will" or not? https://youtu.be/U6-zi25GgVE Does God know what it's like to snort a line of coke off a hookers Johhny Depps ass?FTFY It twitched, it twitched Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #964 May 2, 2016 headoverheels From where I sit, true Christianity is pretty similar to true Socialism, and I don't much cotton to either of them. Of course, there are many "Christians" whom I wouldn't consider to be true Christians, and I have not use at all for them. Christians prefer to share voluntarily. Socialists demand sharing to mandatory and government regulated. IOW, what's mine is yours I'll share it. Or, what's yours in mine, I'll take it. I agree, there are just too many undesirables around.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #965 May 2, 2016 I'm quite confused over the legality of a court ordered religious treatment program. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #966 May 2, 2016 Even the ACLU accepts the concept.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #967 May 2, 2016 I won't vote for either of them, but I would certainly prefer Hillary more than Trump. She'll at least try to do some good, and likely fail miserably. He won't even try. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #968 May 2, 2016 attached ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #969 May 2, 2016 RonD1120Even the ACLU accepts the concept. I'm fairly certain you're wrong about the ACLU supporting court ordered AA meetings. Care to prove me wrong with a quote from the ACLU?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #970 May 2, 2016 I've thought it odd that the general response is "Well you don't HAVE to go to counseling if you prefer." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,381 #971 May 2, 2016 quade***Even the ACLU accepts the concept. I'm fairly certain you're wrong about the ACLU supporting court ordered AA meetings. Care to prove me wrong with a quote from the ACLU? Not a recent case, but their position was clear: http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/11/us/atheist-challenges-order-to-attend-aa-meetings.html"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #972 May 2, 2016 Trump picks up an interesting endorsement Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,381 #973 May 2, 2016 normiss Trump picks up an interesting endorsement I was just about to post that.I'm guessing they would be happy to trade in the white robes for brown shirts to help his cause."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #974 May 2, 2016 Only if they get boots to match. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolhtairt 0 #975 May 2, 2016 rehmwa attached And then the next round of bumper stickers to come out after the elections will read "How's that screwing working out for ya?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
