JerryBaumchen 1,048 #151 February 25, 2016 Hi Bolas, Quote Of course, nothing is stopping them from just providing the wrong password enough times to wipe it. That would put them in contempt of court. I doubt that they want to go in that direction. Jerry Baumchen PS) I once had a sherrif's deputy take a court-ordered garnishment to a credit union to get the funds from someone who owed me money. The clerk at the credit union called the account owner who told her not to give the money to the deputy. The clerk called me and told me what she had been told. I told her that she had a choice: 1) Hand over the money, or 2) Be in contempt of court; I told her to ask the deputy what his thoughts were. I got my money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,122 #152 February 25, 2016 JerryBaumchenHi Bolas, Quote Of course, nothing is stopping them from just providing the wrong password enough times to wipe it. That would put them in contempt of court. I doubt that they want to go in that direction. Jerry Baumchen PS) I once had a sherrif's deputy take a court-ordered garnishment to a credit union to get the funds from someone who owed me money. The clerk at the credit union called the account owner who told her not to give the money to the deputy. The clerk called me and told me what she had been told. I told her that she had a choice: 1) Hand over the money, or 2) Be in contempt of court; I told her to ask the deputy what his thoughts were. I got my money. Could be charged with contempt of court. Whether they are actually in contempt of court is up to a judge, not the Sherriff or any of his deputies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #153 February 25, 2016 SkyDekker ***Hi Bolas, Quote Of course, nothing is stopping them from just providing the wrong password enough times to wipe it. That would put them in contempt of court. I doubt that they want to go in that direction. Jerry Baumchen PS) I once had a sherrif's deputy take a court-ordered garnishment to a credit union to get the funds from someone who owed me money. The clerk at the credit union called the account owner who told her not to give the money to the deputy. The clerk called me and told me what she had been told. I told her that she had a choice: 1) Hand over the money, or 2) Be in contempt of court; I told her to ask the deputy what his thoughts were. I got my money. Could be charged with contempt of court. Whether they are actually in contempt of court is up to a judge, not the Sherriff or any of his deputies. If it was proven they intentionally gave the wrong password. Depending on what they're being charged with, a contempt charge may be a much lighter sentence. But getting back to the original point: if the court can just order someone to provide access/password to a device, why do they need the back door in those other cases?Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,122 #154 February 25, 2016 QuoteBut getting back to the original point: if the court can just order someone to provide access/password to a device, why do they need the back door in those other cases? Courts can't. Should be covered under the 5th amendment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #155 February 25, 2016 That has always been the perspective of the EFF as well. I'm thankful I don't do much computer forensic work. It's ugly work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,911 #156 February 25, 2016 Update on the Apple position, today's court filing. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/25/468143901/apple-court-filing-calls-iphone-order-dangerous-unconstitutionalAlways remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #157 February 25, 2016 SkyDekkerQuoteBut getting back to the original point: if the court can just order someone to provide access/password to a device, why do they need the back door in those other cases? Courts can't. Should be covered under the 5th amendment. Then requiring a back door should be covered as well. The original issue is that the phone supplied to the shooter with his employment used his personal ID, not one the company provided and apparently they also had no control software loaded on their device either to manage it and/or view the contents.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,122 #158 February 26, 2016 QuoteThen requiring a back door should be covered as well. No, the 5th covers not being forced to incriminate yourself. Being forced to provide entry into the phone wouldn't incriminate Apple, so doubt 5th applies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #159 February 27, 2016 But, of course, nothing like that could ever happen in the US; right? http://www.apnewsarchive.com/2016/A-U-S-investigation-found-that-a-December-hack-on-the-Ukrainian-power-grid-was-coordinated-and-highly-sophisticated/id-5664ced713d8404e915960199ce04241quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #160 February 27, 2016 And another story from today... http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35673999quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #161 February 27, 2016 quadeAnd another story from today... http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35673999 Huh - and aren't these the people that have our healthcare in their hands? Good thing they are rock solid and secure. Like that awesome website they have for enrollment?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #162 February 27, 2016 quadeBut, of course, nothing like that could ever happen in the US; right? http://www.apnewsarchive.com/2016/A-U-S-investigation-found-that-a-December-hack-on-the-Ukrainian-power-grid-was-coordinated-and-highly-sophisticated/id-5664ced713d8404e915960199ce04241 From your article: "The well-planned strike, which blacked out more than 225,000 people" We had minor hiccup in Ohio that caused a blackout for 55 million people in the northeast - we will rebuild - try again. . .Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #163 February 27, 2016 quadeAnd another story from today... http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35673999 Ya, that certainly trumps San Bernadino and 911. . . are you really that disillusioned?Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #164 February 27, 2016 Coreeece***And another story from today... http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35673999 Ya, that certainly trumps San Bernadino and 911. . . are you really that disillusioned? Are you really that naive?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #165 February 27, 2016 quade Are you really that naive? What, to believe that Apple is actually there to protect me from terrorism?Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #166 February 27, 2016 turtlespeed***And another story from today... http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35673999 Huh - and aren't these the people that have our healthcare in their hands? Good thing they are rock solid and secure. Like that awesome website they have for enrollment? What, like these people? Looks like you can't trust anyone in healthcare. Probably best to just give up, close all the hospitals and go home.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,384 #167 February 29, 2016 Federal judge denies FBI's demand Apple unlock phone in a drug case: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-encryption-deny-idUSKCN0W22Q0"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #168 February 29, 2016 Crap. 7 minutes too late. It's a good ruling IMHO. It doesn't directly apply to the S.B. shooting case, but it certainly helps (the feds are trying to apply the "All Writs Act" but are also going further)."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 291 #169 March 2, 2016 This is reported to be the shooter's work phone, provided by his employer. The work one probably had nothing of interest on it anyway, but made a great excuse to try to set precedent. He had two personal phones and a laptop that he destroyed. https://theintercept.com/2016/02/26/farooks-iphone-is-probably-useless-even-the-police-say-so/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,384 #170 March 3, 2016 Great interview with Rep Darrell Issa on the case: http://www.npr.org/2016/03/03/469005657/rep-issa-criticizes-fbi-s-strategy-to-get-into-terrorist-s-iphone"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #171 March 3, 2016 ryoderGreat interview with Rep Darrell Issa on the case: http://www.npr.org/2016/03/03/469005657/rep-issa-criticizes-fbi-s-strategy-to-get-into-terrorist-s-iphone WTF is up with Issa's attitude toward NPR during this interview? Does he REALLY think NPR is against civil rights and strong encryption or is he just so used to being pissed off at NPR he can't let that go? He's saying the right things about encryption, but holy crap is he being a dick to the interviewer who is just doing his job.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #172 March 3, 2016 quade***but holy crap is he being a dick to the interviewer who is just doing his job. maybe he's been surfing around Speaker's Corner and just thinks that's how people are now ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,384 #173 March 3, 2016 quade ***Great interview with Rep Darrell Issa on the case: http://www.npr.org/2016/03/03/469005657/rep-issa-criticizes-fbi-s-strategy-to-get-into-terrorist-s-iphone WTF is up with Issa's attitude toward NPR during this interview? Does he REALLY think NPR is against civil rights and strong encryption or is he just so used to being pissed off at NPR he can't let that go? He's saying the right things about encryption, but holy crap is he being a dick to the interviewer who is just doing his job. Agreed, but I just loved hearing him say: "The government LIES!!!""There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #174 March 3, 2016 quade***Great interview with Rep Darrell Issa on the case: http://www.npr.org/2016/03/03/469005657/rep-issa-criticizes-fbi-s-strategy-to-get-into-terrorist-s-iphone WTF is up with Issa's attitude toward NPR during this interview? Does he REALLY think NPR is against civil rights and strong encryption or is he just so used to being pissed off at NPR he can't let that go? He's saying the right things about encryption, but holy crap is he being a dick to the interviewer who is just doing his job. I thought exactly the same thing when I heard it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,384 #175 March 4, 2016 From The Register: Amazon kills fondleslab file encryption with latest Fire OS update Well, that's one way to differentiate from Apple http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/03/amazon_kills_fire_os_encryption/ "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
