Are you Americans crazy enough to put Donald Trump in office?

[434 2]

What would jesus do?

I can tell you, it looks like Monty Python's Flying Circus show. Explain for me, and everyone else, why do you consider Donald as a better person for office, than anyone else. Why?

Believe me, I have seen some few debates, and it is fascinating so many people actually seriously saying they are going to vote for him. I just cant get it.

[DiverMike 5]

As much as I'd like my opinion to be known, I cannot participate in a poll without a 'boobies' option.

For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board.

[Boomerdog 0]

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I just cant get it.

Then it's kind of obvious you've not been paying attention either.

[normiss 620]

I don't get it either.
He is in no way anywhere near statesmanship behavior and he's just embarrassing.

I can only hope that some of us are not that damn stupid, but.....

[Stumpy 256]

Trump voters are generally less well educated, older, and almost certainly white. So yes, some ARE that stupid. Fortunately, that's a shrinking demographic (by percentage)

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[turtlespeed 212]

434

What would jesus do?

I can tell you, it looks like Monty Python's Flying Circus show. Explain for me, and everyone else, why do you consider Donald as a better person for office, than anyone else. Why?

Believe me, I have seen some few debates, and it is fascinating so many people actually seriously saying they are going to vote for him. I just cant get it.

It's pretty simple.
Even Trump is more desirable than HRC.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[434 2]

Statistic shows demokrates only won their 3 period twice, so all odds is against them. Again, anyway that shouldnt make a person like Trump be a President of United States Of America?

Come on? Get real, he is a Clown!

[GD64 1]

Disclaimer: I despise politicians!

My simple observation (so far), is people think the D choices are fucked, and people think the R choices are fucked. Some/majority? say "fuck it"......we know the D's and the R's will screw us, so lets give Trump (outsider) a chance. If he screws us.......we would have been fucked anyway.

Most don't look at Trump as an R. But they don't care. Voting R or D has not helped most working class Americans, IMO. The politico's and their donors are nothing but self-serving, corrupt, assholes.

A lot of my observations come from commercial/industrial sites composed of union workers who NEVER vote R.

To me, the election looks like a real lose-lose. We do not have the crème rising to the top.........instead we have pond scum. The media narrative bears a lot of this responsibility (a whole different thread).

[434 2]

And Ron Paul?

Bernie Sanders?

Two gentlemen who seems to serve their people well. Both sounds like healthy mental people to me. Im just asking.

[rhaig 0]

434

And Ron Paul?

Bernie Sanders?

Two gentlemen who seems to serve their people well. Both sounds like healthy mental people to me. Im just asking.

Not long ago I told a friend of mine, "show me politicians who aren't corporate whores, and I'll show you two old unelectable white guys, and one of them is retired".

Bernie's ideas are "interesting" but would leave about 70% of households with less spending money (even after not having to pay for health care). Removing spending money during a failing economic period is asking for trouble.

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Rob

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It's pretty simple.
Even Trump is more desirable than HRC.

I'm gonna barf.

I don't like Hillary, but she's about 1,000x a better choice than Trump. I wouldn't vote for Trump for dog catcher. What's more, many, many Americans feel the same way about him. You want to hand the election to Clinton? Nominate Trump.

I've pretty much decided I'm going to vote for the most appealing 3rd party candidate unless one of two things happens: Trump gets the Republican nomination, or Cruz gets the Republican nomination. Then I'm voting for whomever the Democrats put up.

- Dan G

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

As much as I hate to admit it, and as much as it scares me; yes. He could possibly be elected.

For the past 50 years or so, we have been making huge progress on integration, acceptance and tolerance (racial, religious, sexual orientation, ect).
There are still, however, large segments of the population that don't like it. The "Politically Correct" idea has forced them into silence (at least publicly), but they are still there. I didn't realize how bad it still was until Obama got elected. Not all of the criticism of him is racial, but a lot of it is.

So Trump comes along and says shit like "Mexicans are rapists." "Ban all Muslim immigrants." Things that greatly appeal to the bigoted xenophobes.
Throw in the "anti-establishment" types, who don't want to see any "professional politicians", the authoritarian types who want to see a "strong leader" and the fools who actually believe he is a competent businessman because he's rich.
Lately he's been talking about "cleaning up" Social Security. Keeping it for the people who have paid into it, cleaning up the corruption in it. That's going to appeal to a huge segment of people. At least as long as they don't look too closely at the reality of the situation.

He's basically playing the same game Jesse Ventura did during the campaign for Governor of Minnesota. He won and was a joke in office (he's still a joke in Minnesota).

He would be one of the worst Presidents in history. His international diplomacy would be truly frightening. He can't handle Fox News and Megyn Kelly. How would he handle Putin, China, someone like Hugo Chavez (yes, Chavez is dead, but there are little tinpot dictators with big mouths out there, I just can't think of any offhand )?

The question shouldn't be "are we crazy enough?"

It should be "are we gullible enough?"

And the sad and scary part about it is that, yes, we may well be.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[ryoder 1,381]

Very, very well said!

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Trump voters are generally less well educated, older, and almost certainly white. So yes, some ARE that stupid. Fortunately, that's a shrinking demographic (by percentage)

Once again, you did not review the resulting polling data from the New Hampshire Primary...it's on the internet if you care to look.

[GD64 1]

434

And Ron Paul?

Bernie Sanders?

Two gentlemen who seems to serve their people well. Both sounds like healthy mental people to me. Im just asking.

434

Like was pointed out by Rhaig, Ron is retired.

Bernie Sanders on the other hand, can't get beyond the "socialist" label with my "so called observation group"(described in above post). The workers I described are hunters (elk, deer, moose, bear, birds) and do not trust Bernie with their second amendment rights. I'm paraphrasing......they see socialism (Bernie) as communism, that just hasn't gotten around to taking their guns yet.

Also IMO, working America (these tradespeople) are tired of being called names, ridiculed for their jobs, lifestyles, the big-ass trucks they drive. As well being called bigoted, even though many of them are in mixed marriages with extended multi-racial families.

Like I stated earlier "they Never vote R", so this is a new territory for them. All while their union bosses are threating them.

[quade 3]

Trump can possibly win a primary.

He can not possibly win the national.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[billvon 2,384]

Crazy enough? No. Dumb enough? Bigoted enough? Perhaps.

But as I've said before, sometimes you have to just let people femur and hope they don't do something worse to themselves before that - because some people only learn through being hurt. And perhaps this time, for the long term good of the country, the country has to elect Trump. That may be the only way the US can learn the difference between good governance and the reality-TV show that the two-party system in the US has become.

And the next time a lousy democratic candidate gets put up against a batshit crazy republican candidate, voters might think more about the candidates themselves than what letter they have after their name.

[lurch 0]

I'm apolitical, more to the point, I lean toward political nihilism- I believe the entire system is way too far gone to save or even be worth trying to. I have no party loyalties and opinions that span the entire spectrum from liberal and libertarian to hardcore conservative depending on the issue.

So I'm going to throw out what will no doubt be an outrageous point of view. Warning: Long political rant.

Hire the clown.

Why?
He is the joker in the deck. He is the first shot the american public has had at something other than what we are told we are allowed to choose. For decades we've had what amounts to a one-party system anyway with two different labels to create the illusion of choice. The rule imposed on the public by the political establishment has been, "You can pick corrupt politician A or corrupt politician B, but one way or another, you'll pick a corrupt politician of -our- choosing."

Back and forth it goes, republican, democrat, republican, democrat, they all make the same false promises they break as soon as their position is secured, and they all make policies that serve only themselves and the monied interests that paid for their campaigns.

The only way to stop it, is to break the system.
By the look of it, that is exactly what The Donald is doing.

He is thumbing his nose at political correctness- says the most outrageous things. He is -not- in fact, an actual politician. He is so inarticulate half the time he can't even assemble a coherent sentence. He has no smooth lines and prepared answers for things, when caught by questions he wasn't ready for, the best he can do is try to make politician-ish noises because that's what is expected at that time.

Which, I suspect is precisely why he is so explosively popular. The american public are TIRED of smooth liars. Trump may be a total asshole and a clown but he appears to be telling the truth as he sees it instead of spewing whatever prevarications he thinks we want to hear as determined by the PC multiculti touchy-feely marketers of bullshit who have never had to work an honest day's labor in their lives and have absolutely no concept of how their policymaking affects the real people subjected to it... and when informed of those effects, they don't care.

Now, I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, I believe one should never attribute to malice that which can be explained by common human stupidity.
BUT,
I can't help but notice that the entire political establishment appears united in its opposition to his candidacy. That ALONE recommends him highly. I think half the reason for it, is that he is so damned wealthy that he can't be bought. They'd love to yank his leash and make him heel, and they can't, and it's driving them all batshit. The obedient media appear to be doing their damndest to discredit him by the usual subtle and nonsubtle sneaky tricks- most notably, the imagery.

Look at all the other politician photos you ever see in the media. They're all chosen to send an image. They all pick a picture of X politician looking stern, or statesmanlike, or noble, or dignified.

99.9% of the images of The Donald put up by the media are all selected to try to make him look anything but. They catch him at his most animated, pick the least-flattering image they can possibly find and publish THAT. Damn near every single image I see of him he appears to be in the middle of an apoplectic temper tantrum, red face scrunched up, mouth open, hair flying in mid-speech.

The least-unflattering ones where they don't pick one in which his face was moving when the image was shot, they try to make him look smug, instead.
That tactic has been so systematically applied that it cannot be accidental. Reps and dems are two sides of the same corrupted coin. Nobody actually gets voted out of office, they just take turns looting the public. Whoever and whatever actually makes the call behind the scenes... (Pick your boogeyman... Rothschilds, New world order, Koch brothers, Monsanto, conspiracy theory of choice... not the comic image of conspiracy theory fronted by our endless supply of loonies and whackos but whoever and whatever -actually steers this thing in reality-) does NOT want to allow him to be elected, or even considered, and whoever and whatever they are, are pulling out ALL the stops in a desperate attempt to stop him.

That alone, recommends him highly. I think THEY (whoever the fuck "they" are, and I know better than to think I know) recognize him as a bigger danger than WE do! "Oh, my, GOD, he could upset the entire corrupt applecart! Bring the whole unstoppable gravy train to an end! STOP HIM!"

And despite the use of every last possible dirty trick in the arsenal, "they", are FAILING. Every attempt makes him more popular than ever.

To me, his candidacy is the last great hurrah of american democracy. We don't even CARE how horrible he is. What we do know is that whoever runs things behind the scenes, a control that transcends the system itself, persists through election cycles, determines which corrupt politicians we get to choose from and is not accountable to the american public does NOT want us to have him and are doing everything humanly possible to try and make sure we can't.

And the american public are telling that force "NO." And they are making it stick. The american public, offered the customary choice of one of two bullshit sandwiches, "You can have the Democratic bullshit sandwich of our choosing, or the Republican bullshit sandwich of our choosing, but you have to pick one of those two bullshit sandwiches we chose FOR you" are telling that force, "Fuck you, we've had enough of this, we want Option C: He may also be a bullshit sandwich but at least he wasn't chosen FOR us." So maybe, just maybe, he'll actually do what's right for the country as best he understands it, not what's best for his corporate sponsors.

When Trump destroyed all the opposition in New Hampshire, the political establishment and its various mouthpieces went into paroxysms of outrage. Their message to the public was, "You can't do that!" The sheep are not obeying! One memorable quote I came across called it a "Full-scale revolt."

The political establishment is not used to being told "No."
Good.

So I say, fuck yeah, hire the clown. The fucking ship is sinking anyway, all the checks and balances have been hacked and defeated, methodically, over decades, to allow the politicians to do whatever the fuck they want regardless of the will of the american people. The bill of rights reduced to ink on a page, disregarded "whenever we feel like it Because Terrorism" our jobs and the entire industries behind them sold to China and Mexico "Because Globalization" when the real reason is, "Why pay middle class Americans actual middle class wages when we can exploit the crap out of desperate third-world labor for one-20th the cost and ten times the profit?"

And so you get Foxconn Iphone assembly facilities in China that have resorted to putting up suicide nets to keep their captive labor forces from killing themselves to escape the slave-labor prison conditions, while Apple gets to sit back and claim its hands are clean. You'd think maybe Foxconn's management would look at WHY their places are such hells that people want to DIE rather than endure another day of it, and maybe CHANGE it, but that's not how corporate and political authoritarianism works. It's not enough to forcibly commoditize the desperate masses into profitable slave labor by another name, to enjoy that power you must also make them SUFFER.

Till now, there has been nothing on the horizon representing any sign of any of these intractable system "features" being forced to change. The potential election of Donald Trump, and the utterly unhinged panic he is inducing in the vested interests who run things and do NOT want those profitable gravytrains brought under scrutiny or brought to an end, represents the one shot at ACTUAL democracy in the US I've seen in my lifetime. He may be a mistake, but he's OUR mistake to make.

The US has been hardwired to a commitment of ever-escalating debt until the whole mess collapses and takes what's left of the american middle class with it. The end objective of the bigger agenda as it has played out over the last few decades is the 99.9% in utter abject poverty competing for what few jobs are left and the .01% in possession of ALL the wealth, ALL the power, and ALL the control. Because people living paycheck-to-paycheck are far more easily controlled than 150 million prosperous middle-class people who have choices and options because they are neither desperate nor dependent.

I'm not saying Trump will fix all this. I -am- saying the public seems to think he might. At the very least, he'll try. He is a businessman, not a politician. He may just have half a shot at making the US -profitable to its people- again instead of being a globalization race-to-the-bottom profitable only to the .01% and a naked lootingfest of everyone else.

If uncorrected, the current course of the ship is total collapse Soviet Union style under hundreds of trillions of dollars of debt we weren't allowed NOT to sign up for. The entire will of the political establishment has evolved to -prevent- the course of the ship from being changed regardless of how destructive it is, because of how fantastically profitable it is, to keep it as it is, until it DOES collapse. Please note: The rulers of third-world hellholes, still live in fabulous first-world wealth. The rulers of the United States, are turning it into a third world hellhole, because they know damn well, even after the whole thing collapses, who cares? Whaddya gonna do about it? WE got all the money!

Trump's candidacy, is making people believe it may be possible to alter the course of that ship, if we hold a fucking mutiny, throw the officers overboard, grab some more-or-less successful schmoe -not- of the ruling class, and put him at the helm.

He represents massive disruption to a hopelessly broken system that desperately needs to be disrupted.

We as a body politic have got nothing to lose. It's as close to a revolution as the american public are capable of these days.
Let the clown drive. He sure as shit couldn't do any worse than what we've BEEN getting.
-B

Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

[RonD1120 58]

Although we disagree on many levels, you usually have well reasoned posts. So my question to you is this, what are your objections to Ted Cruz? How does he enhance your fear/anger, to borrow from Winsor?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[quade 3]

RonD1120

So my question to you is this, what are your objections to Ted Cruz?

Because Ted Cruz has not demonstrated he can work with anyone in the government. Nobody likes the guy, not even his own party. How is he going to get anything done?

So play the game "would you rather." Would you rather have a guy you support in office who wouldn't be able to get "free sex and pizza day" passed or . . . somebody you liked a little bit less, but could actually get something done?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[ryoder 1,381]

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***So my question to you is this, what are your objections to Ted Cruz?

Because Ted Cruz has not demonstrated he can work with anyone in the government. Nobody likes the guy, not even his own party. How is he going to get anything done?


Something telling is that Cruz has 99 peers in the Senate, and not a single current Senator has endorsed him:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorsements_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016#Ted_Cruz

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[434 2]

Respect for your long and understandable answer.

But you know, Us, is the head of our world (our, allies, Un, etc), while Russia, is growing stronger, China is ahead, India next, so on.

When we as allies, turn our back to Us, because you have an moron as an president. What then? Trump can not take back all his statements. Mexico, China, bomb Syria back to stoneage, you get where I want.

All great civilations have finely ended. Thats my point.

[GD64 1]

Lurch, Great rant!

USA closing in on $20 trillion debt, with approx. $200 trillion in commitments (pensions, etc.) an "iceberg dead ahead". A fucking mutiny is in order to save the ship!

[masterblaster72 0]

billvon

But as I've said before, sometimes you have to just let people femur and hope they don't do something worse to themselves before that - because some people only learn through being hurt. And perhaps this time, for the long term good of the country, the country has to elect Trump. That may be the only way the US can learn the difference between good governance and the reality-TV show that the two-party system in the US has become.

That happened already with eight years of G.W. Bush. If the American people don't learn from that, they will never learn.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[raftman 12]

You're right, they will never learn. After all they elected Obama. TWICE