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Planned Parenthood and the legal slope.

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but they did not refuse



Don't you get it? We are talking Texas here. If there was any chance at all that the Harris County prosecutor could any wrong doing by PP he fail to grab the glory of nailing them?

Fact, PP did NOTHING wrong. Can't you find a battle that you have at least a tiny shred of a chance to win?
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Where do you stand on the subject if they are pulling a Halliburton, and charging 100X "preparation" and "delivery" and passing the "profits" back to PP itself or Administration


Then I'd hope the people responsible were prosecuted for fraud.

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TriGirl

******Sure, helping women who need healthcare, there's some hatred there for sure.



Whatever helps you sleep at night - I'm sure the protesters think they're helping to save innocent lives.
Why does the argument always come back to this?
Because that's how protesters typically justify their behavior, especially bad behavior.

TriGirl

Only a small portion of the services provided by PP have anything do to with terminating a pregnancy.


Why would that matter to the protesters?

Personally, I've always despised the mob-like mentality of protesting regardless of the cause, but it's the peoples' right nonetheless - every business and organization are subject to it, and I see no reason why planned parenthood should be exempt.

TriGirl

Women and men who consult PP for reproductive health and PLANNING their families deserve to be able to walk into the facility freely (not to mention health screenings). Healthcare providers and counselors deserve to do their jobs and help the public without fear of death or other bodily harm (or, in this described case, emotional abuse) from outsiders. Why do these demonstrators think every person entering a PP facility is planning/performing an abortion?



If the public perceives an offense, it should come as no surprise that they are going to protest that organization, business or government just as they always have.

As I said earlier, public opinion plays a major role in how perceptions are formed and decisions are made. Corporations tend to act promptly to resolve any negative response to their product and/or service.

As a non-profit, I would think that PP's main concern would be for clients - and if certain practices are causing a disservice to the majority of those they help, then perhaps it's time to start rethinking their business model - just like any other corporate entity.

Anyway, great post - too bad you don't come around more often.
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Deciding to stop providing abortion services (whether referrals, non-judgmental counseling, or direct abortion provision) will impact a core service in this market in some states. So its disingenuous to say they should consider the convenience of their patients.

Given that the majority of their services are not abortion services (either emergency contraception or aborriins), it's dishonest to say that defunding them entirely will not affect access to other women's healthcare. They provide walk-in services at sliding scales, in largely preventative measures.

Wendy P.
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The key word is indicted. While that is encouraging (Devon Anderson is quite conservative from what I've read, and I lived in Houston until last summer), so I'd totally discount the "PP BOD member on staff" argument. But I also wouldn't be surprised if this ends up dropped.

Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I could give a shit either way and even if they are prosecuted, and convicted, they will get something like probation for what they did.

Retake the first part of my statement....."Planned Parenthood was cleared of any and all...."

Just like they were everywhere else as well. meaning that any whining about the evils of PP is pretty much that - whining. battle has been fought and lost by those whiners.

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***If the public perceives an offense, it should come as no surprise that they are going to protest that organization, business or government just as they always have.

As I said earlier, public opinion plays a major role in how perceptions are formed and decisions are made. Corporations tend to act promptly to resolve any negative response to their product and/or service.

As a non-profit, I would think that PP's main concern would be for clients - and if certain practices are causing a disservice to the majority of those they help, then perhaps it's time to start rethinking their business model - just like any other corporate entity.



Deciding to stop providing abortion services (whether referrals, non-judgmental counseling, or direct abortion provision) will impact a core service in this market in some states. So its disingenuous to say they should consider the convenience of their patients.

In response to the public backlash, planned parenthood has stop taking reimbursement for the cost of fetal tissue. Since then, many of the protests have subsided - I suspect the problem isn't as bad as TK and TriGirl make it out to be.

There may still be some intense protesting in select locations - and if those facilities don't want to address that issue, then I'm sure many of their would be clients will easily find somewhere else to go.
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At least in Houston, "many of their would-be clients" are exactly the people that we want to redirect to preventive care clinics. That way they're not visiting the ER, or getting pregnant quite as much.

They're often not the "desirable" patients -- i.e. ones with good insurance that isn't a major pain in the rear to deal with. These are also the patients for whom taking a day off work can be a big deal; lose enough days, you lose income or your job. Which generally-available clinics will take all these patients, still on a sliding scale, allowing them the freedom to choose which birth control method is best for them (including things like the IUD)?

Yes, they also provide morning-after pill (which, BTW, doesn't guarantee an abortion; it just makes the egg not implantable if it is fertilized -- implantation fails to happen the vast majority of the time anyway). They also provide abortions, or in many cases, referrals to abortions. But by providing easy-to-access preventive care, they also prevent abortions.

Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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On the note of implantation, I have yet to find any really accurate statistics on the frequency of it. But of course, that is like counting how many cancer cells never turned into cancer......

But we do know it happens. Recent legislation making it through committee in Florida would define Human life beginning at fertilization and any abortion up to a 30-year sentence felony. While it is likely that this will NOT pass, it is disturbing enough that such legislation can even make it to a committee in this day and age.

I had to write my local representatives, who are both pro-life to protest any support of what is going on in FL right now. attached,

I will continue to support women and their rights. I will go to Planned Parenthood to help with the protester situation and I will continue to denounce those that would turn the country back 200 years.

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Well, if you don't see it as a problem, then you could try escorting women in (you could even limit yourself to ones who aren't seeking abortion services), and see how well you enjoy abuse.

They have their rights. OTOH, they're stomping all over the line between rights and politeness/consideration. One wonders how happy they'd be with people protesting outside their churches as vociferously.

Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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For instance, did you know women in florida are not allowed to skydive on Sunday?



For instance, did you know that is an urban myth?



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Incorrect, try again.
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wmw999

Well, if you don't see it as a problem, then you could try escorting women in (you could even limit yourself to ones who aren't seeking abortion services), and see how well you enjoy abuse.



That's like the 3rd or 4th time you've put words in my mouth. I've already imagined putting myself in that situation and I'd expect the experience to be quite surreal to say the least. If you've been paying attention, you'd see that I've been asking about the scope of the problem - how widespread is this? Th PP clinics I've seen don't have any protesters - I'd expect it the same for most others.

If this is a major problem, then PP needs to address it more efficiently - Asking for TK's volunteer escort services doesn't seem to be a solution, nor does it make it seem like the life threatening situation that Trigirl was trying to make it out to be.
Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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BBBZZZZZZZZZT
Incorrect, try again.



No really. It is bullshit.

If you're so sure, please provide a link to a law that says women can't parachute on Sunday in Florida. And no, a link to a clickbait website that perpetuates the myth won't cut it.

- Dan G

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I can respect your passion, but seriously, I was expecting a rational, well thought out argument coming from such a formal letter.

From your letter:
"How exactly are you going to prosecute all the fertilizations that do not result in pregnancy? Because this bill would define that as a felony."

I mean really? really? That's what you wanted to bring to the official platform?

This letter serves nothing other than your personal catharsis with absurd commentary not worth taking seriously. It's like you said earlier, just a bunch of whining - the flipside of the same coin.
Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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I mean really? really? That's what you wanted to bring to the official platform?



Sarcasm rarely comes off properly in writing but what I am bringing 'to the platform' is far less ridiculous that what the legislators are bringing to the platform.

tit for tat I guess. You see it your way and i see it mine. The fact is that the bill is Draconian. It never should have made it to committee. The fact that someone can even draft this is sad,

and if you singularly weed out one sentence of my entire platform on women's rights as a basis for debunking my argument for women's rights....well....

Really?? that is what you are bringing....? really?

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I mean really? really? That's what you wanted to bring to the official platform?



Sarcasm rarely comes off properly in writing


Ya, especially when your next sentence says "Really and seriously, I look forward to your response on this matter.":P

I can appreciate sarcasm, but when formally addressing an issue that you obviously take very seriously, one would think you'd assign a certain level of professionalism that you feel it deserves - which apparently isn't much.

Tho I can admit that the letter does have some elements of substance - like the part comparing abortion to hip replacement surgery - any legitimacy is lost in the overshadowing condescension. The letter is a sarcastic joke and it will be treated as such.

Now I know dealing with an obtuse government can be an exercise in futility - and it's even more frustrating when a sincere response is ignored - so as selfish as it may be, perhaps your course of action is most effective. Do you feel better?
Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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One guy from Baton Rouge gets banned, and almost immediately the other one returns.

Hmmm.


You have been told before, if you want fly down here and verify identities you have all the details. If not contact a mod I would gladly give out ip addresses and info they don't already have. If not then shove off with your accusations.

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For instance, did you know women in florida are not allowed to skydive on Sunday?



For instance, did you know that is an urban myth?



BBBZZZZZZZZZT
Incorrect, try again.

If you go to the Online Sunshine site (Official Site of the FL Legislature) & do some searching you will find the facts.

Neither "skydive" nor "skydiving" are found anywhere in any FL statute, the word "parachute" only appears in reference to two definitions of what is an aircraft (powered or unpowered vehicle that flies but is not a parachute), & the word "parachutes" only appears in one definition dealing with airport zoning (including repair, packing, & maintenance of parachutes).

There is no law saying an unmarried woman can't skydive on Sundays.

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For instance, did you know women in florida are not allowed to skydive on Sunday?



For instance, did you know that is an urban myth?



BBBZZZZZZZZZT
Incorrect, try again.

If you go to the Online Sunshine site (Official Site of the FL Legislature) & do some searching you will find the facts.

Neither "skydive" nor "skydiving" are found anywhere in any FL statute, the word "parachute" only appears in reference to two definitions of what is an aircraft (powered or unpowered vehicle that flies but is not a parachute), & the word "parachutes" only appears in one definition dealing with airport zoning (including repair, packing, & maintenance of parachutes).

There is no law saying an unmarried woman can't skydive on Sundays.

Facts don't matter to people like turtle and rush.

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BBBZZZZZZZZZT
Incorrect, try again.



No really. It is bullshit.

If you're so sure, please provide a link to a law that says women can't parachute on Sunday in Florida. And no, a link to a clickbait website that perpetuates the myth won't cut it.

You are correct. I was wrong.
I guess you just can't trust CNN anymore.[:/]
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/04/03/worlds.strangest.laws/
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