SkyDekker 1,287 #26 January 21, 2016 QuoteAnd the satellite data also does not support the claim he made So what you are saying is that the data he is using is wrong, while being all indignant that he claimed you said his data was wrong. You are really helping to support your accusation of Bill being a liar. Keep up the good work! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #27 January 21, 2016 SkyDekker Quote And the satellite data also does not support the claim he made So what you are saying is that the data he is using is wrong, while being all indignant that he claimed you said his data was wrong. You are really helping to support your accusation of Bill being a liar. Keep up the good work! yet another fail Show me where I said anywhere in this thread where i said what you are imagining"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,287 #28 January 21, 2016 Hey Shaggy, it even says "Quote:". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #29 January 21, 2016 SkyDekker Hey Shaggy, it even says "Quote:". you are a great example of Hillary supporter. Lies be damned"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,716 #30 January 21, 2016 >And the satellite data also does not support the claim he made So you are saying the satellite data showing high altitude temperatures do not show the same warming, and that runs counter to the idea that the planet is warming? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,716 #31 January 21, 2016 >you are a great example of Hillary supporter (Rush, sweating and worried, tries valiantly to change the subject) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,287 #32 January 21, 2016 rushmc ***Hey Shaggy, it even says "Quote:". you are a great example of Hillary supporter. Lies be damned Typical Trump supporter....empty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #33 January 21, 2016 billvon >you are a great example of Hillary supporter (Rush, sweating and worried, tries valiantly to change the subject) After it was changed already?? Ya right"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #34 January 21, 2016 SkyDekker ******Hey Shaggy, it even says "Quote:". you are a great example of Hillary supporter. Lies be damned Typical Trump supporter....empty. Opps. Another fibber exposed"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #35 January 21, 2016 Bias to counter your bias.... http://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/01/21/thorough-not-thoroughly-fabricated-the-truth-about-global-temperature-data-well-not-thoroughly-fabricated/"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,716 #36 January 21, 2016 From the article: "I think I can see why the so-called consensus has become so obsessed recently with destroying the credibility of the satellite data." So you are saying the satellite data showing high altitude temperatures do not show the same warming, and that runs counter to the idea that the planet is warming? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #37 January 22, 2016 Who here said the planet IS NOT WARMING AT ALL? Rushmc do you agree that factually it is warming? Or you just have issue like myself with the cause of it all, and some saying it's all man made, and some saying its natural, or a mixture of both? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,716 #38 January 22, 2016 >But, given the ‘pause.’ "During 2015, the average temperature across global land and ocean surfaces was 1.62°F (0.90°C) above the 20th century average." So much for the "pause." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,716 #39 January 22, 2016 >Who here said the planet IS NOT WARMING AT ALL? The article RushMC posted. "Without the adjustments and homogenization, the post-1960 US temperatures would be indistinguishable from the early 20th century." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #40 January 22, 2016 Did he say that?. I did not ask if an article he link suggested it was so small of a change it would be indistinguishable. I want to know if he thinks, and you think he believes it is NOT warming. To make myself clear I need an answer from both of you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #41 January 22, 2016 cvfd1399Who here said the planet IS NOT WARMING AT ALL? Rushmc do you agree that factually it is warming? Or you just have issue like myself with the cause of it all, and some saying it's all man made, and some saying its natural, or a mixture of both? The planet warms and cools in natural cycles When those like Bill talk about warming it is for one reason That reason? Man behaving badly As to your question According to sat data, the planet has not statistically warmed in 18 years 9 months Maybe it is and maybe it is not With that kind of question to deal with, mans actions should not even be in the discussion at this point"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #42 January 22, 2016 Ok I think it is pretty obvious it's warming, but I disagree to who the percentage of blame is to be shared. My unofficial gut feeling is its 25%man 75% natural, but I don't deny warming. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #43 January 22, 2016 rushmc I did not make a claim one way or the other I did questioned him about the other data sets I did not say what he quoted me as saying. You said, "Yep. The newest instruments we have are not to be believed. " That is a claim, not a question, and "the data are wrong" is a reasonable paraphrase of it. You could theoretically take him to task for the grammatical error of using quotation marks on a paraphrase, but it certainly doesn't rise to the level of "liar." To justify that pejorative, he'd have to have said something dishonest, maybe like stating that a claim was really just a question. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,287 #44 January 22, 2016 QuoteRushmc do you agree that factually it is warming? Rush has both stated that he believes the planet is warming, but isn't influenced by mankind at all and the planet isn't warming at all. Generally depends on which headline to an article he hasn't read or understood he is quoting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #45 January 22, 2016 Well first you gotta be consistent with what you believe if you want to debate something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 418 #46 January 22, 2016 Satellite instruments- not hottest Balloon instruments - not hottest Ground instruments-not hottest Adjusted ground instruments- hottest I'm just sayin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 220 #47 January 22, 2016 brenthutchSatellite instruments- not hottest Balloon instruments - not hottest Ground instruments-not hottest Adjusted ground instruments- hottest I'm just sayin Denier! Denier! Burn him! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #48 January 22, 2016 winsorDenier! Denier! Burn him! yes - make him stand outside in the sunlight ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 220 #49 January 22, 2016 rehmwa***Denier! Denier! Burn him! yes - make him stand outside in the sunlight Should he repent, his death will be swift and relatively painless. A firing squad with bullets cast from a silver crucifix would do nicely. Otherwise, only burning at the stake will cleanse the evil of denial. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #50 January 22, 2016 brenthutchSatellite instruments- not hottest Balloon instruments - not hottest Ground instruments-not hottest Adjusted ground instruments- hottest I'm just sayin As I implied above You gotta cherry pick the correct one to make the 2016 claim! the newest and best data instruments be damned"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites