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Sure. His answer was a weasel out of the subject, that coal is far from clean. That's what my question had to do with his post.

Unfortunately his answer is rather silly, basically saying that every group has people dying young. Basically once again not addressing the issue at all.

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Sure. His answer was a weasel out of the subject, that coal is far from clean. That's what my question had to do with his post.

Unfortunately his answer is rather silly, basically saying that every group has people dying young. Basically once again not addressing the issue at all.



I saw that - it wasn't a truthful answer in the spirit of the question.
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>You will pay your fair share soon.

As will your industry - as the external costs of coal start to be factored in to the cost of coal power. And coal will probably not survive in a truly fair market.



Apples and oranges
You are getting your free stuff now
soon to change
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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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***>You will pay your fair share soon.

As will your industry - as the external costs of coal start to be factored in to the cost of coal power. And coal will probably not survive in a truly fair market.



Apples and oranges
You are getting your free stuff now
soon to change

He has for decades.

Who do you think has funded all those coal subsidies?

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******>You will pay your fair share soon.

As will your industry - as the external costs of coal start to be factored in to the cost of coal power. And coal will probably not survive in a truly fair market.



Apples and oranges
You are getting your free stuff now
soon to change

He has for decades.

Who do you think has funded all those coal subsidies?

Ya. He likes he free stuff

Time to change

And i am against ALL gov sibidies. Always have been
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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And i am against ALL gov sibidies. Always have been



I'm in favor of some, when they can kick-start something that is possibly beneficial. Once things become a large enough business, they need to live or die on their own. I'm also against pretty much all IRS Schedule A deductions (at least those related to mortgage interest and charity), which I see as other forms of subsidy.

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And i am against ALL gov sibidies. Always have been



http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Federal_coal_subsidies

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/16/us-australian-taxpayers-pay-billions-fund-coal

http://www.carbontracker.org/report/coal-subsidies/


None of these sources is impartial, they all have an agenda. But they all make a good case that fossil fuel production has long been and continues to be, subsidized.

One man's subsidy is another man's incentive plan.
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*********>You will pay your fair share soon.

As will your industry - as the external costs of coal start to be factored in to the cost of coal power. And coal will probably not survive in a truly fair market.



Apples and oranges
You are getting your free stuff now
soon to change

He has for decades.

Who do you think has funded all those coal subsidies?

Ya. He likes he free stuff

Time to change

And i am against ALL gov sibidies. Always have been

Yeah, I meant he has been paying for decades. Taxpayers have funded those subsidies your company has been getting over the decades.

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>You are getting your free stuff now

"Providing power to other people" = "getting free stuff"

I guess that's some kind of right wing logic.



Got nothing to do with the power you generate. I have posted this before
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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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>And i am against ALL gov sibidies. Always have been

And yet are perfectly willing to take advantage of them when they support your employer.



I am willing but i really dont know what the company i work for gets

You on the otherhand ars susidised. That will go away soon enough
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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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>You on the otherhand ars susidised.

If "susidised" means "subsidized" then that must be right-wing logic again, since I generate all my own power and still pay a monthly bill for the "right" to connect to the grid.

By that logic, you are even more heavily subsidized than I am, since someone else provides all your power. Nice subsidy.

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>You on the otherhand ars susidised.

If "susidised" means "subsidized" then that must be right-wing logic again, since I generate all my own power and still pay a monthly bill for the "right" to connect to the grid.

By that logic, you are even more heavily subsidized than I am, since someone else provides all your power. Nice subsidy.



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>You on the otherhand ars susidised.

If "susidised" means "subsidized" then that must be right-wing logic again, since I generate all my own power and still pay a monthly bill for the "right" to connect to the grid.

By that logic, you are even more heavily subsidized than I am, since someone else provides all your power. Nice subsidy.



It is looking like it will go the following way in most states (I know do not get it)

Your meter will be changed to more of a commercial meter. That meter will record not only usage but demand. At this point on a per month basis you monthly billing will be based demand. Demand billing looks at the peak usage you have had in a month (not kilowatt hours usage) Since you do not use any net kilowatts in a month you currently are charged only the connect fee.

That change will look at what size service is required to cover your highest demand usage. There is a flat fee based on demand reading and your monthly bill will be adjusted to covered the maintenance for your service size.

No more free ride for you
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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***>You on the otherhand ars susidised.

If "susidised" means "subsidized" then that must be right-wing logic again, since I generate all my own power and still pay a monthly bill for the "right" to connect to the grid.

By that logic, you are even more heavily subsidized than I am, since someone else provides all your power. Nice subsidy.



It's that Looking Glass thing. They're making movie about it.

I know YOU don't get it:D:D
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Anyone have the Rushtranslator© handy?



I know

It is over your head:D

I do not think I can dumb it down any further for you
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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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>Your meter will be changed to more of a commercial meter. That meter will
>record not only usage but demand.

Mine already does.

>That change will look at what size service is required to cover your highest
>demand usage.

Cool; my bill will go down! (Since we moved in we've replaced a lot of the energy hogs; I don't need that 200 amp service any more.)

>No more free ride for you

If what you are saying is accurate, sounds like my bills will go down. (Of course, I'll still pay for monthly service.)

In the future look for real time pricing to come along. This is the fairest possible way to do it from a capitalistic perspective. You pay the price per kwhr set by the demand for that hour. (And if the price is negative, then you get the advantages of that as well.) If you generate, you get paid whatever the utility is paying to the rest of their generators for that hour.

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>Your meter will be changed to more of a commercial meter. That meter will
>record not only usage but demand.

Mine already does.

>That change will look at what size service is required to cover your highest
>demand usage.

Cool; my bill will go down! (Since we moved in we've replaced a lot of the energy hogs; I don't need that 200 amp service any more.)

>No more free ride for you

If what you are saying is accurate, sounds like my bills will go down. (Of course, I'll still pay for monthly service.)

In the future look for real time pricing to come along. This is the fairest possible way to do it from a capitalistic perspective. You pay the price per kwhr set by the demand for that hour. (And if the price is negative, then you get the advantages of that as well.) If you generate, you get paid whatever the utility is paying to the rest of their generators for that hour.



Actually
I think you should get paid for the kwh you put back on the grid
Of course it should not be at a retail price but rather a price the utility can normally make or buy it for

As for you bill
this are minimum service sizes based on your connected load and usually (in most cases) a 200 amp load center is the smallest allowed. NESC drives this in many cases along with state requirements which tend to go above and beyond the NESC.

And if you think your bill will go down?

Good luck with that.
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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>And if you think your bill will go down?

No, I don't. I thought your explanation was incorrect, and it will actually stay the same.



It is going to go up
It has too unless you want the grid to go away

this is a big big issue in the industry and it is just starting to show itself nation wide

Where distributive generation is more dense is where it will show first
The utility HAS to be able to cover the costs of maintaining that grid
The set up you have right now puts no dollars in the utility coffers to cover that maintenance
It is that simple
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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