Active Shooters in San Bernardino, CA

[normiss 622]

The person that gave them the guns illegally should be facing a minimum of 10 years per offense IMO

[yoink 321]

cvfd1399

How do you prevent biased data?

The same way it's done in the scientific community. Have the methodology and results and conclusions peer reviewed by civilians with no chips in the game and then published openly.
There have been plenty of cases of scientific articles being found to be either flawed, biased or outright faked with this method.

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yoink

***How do you prevent biased data?

The same way it's done in the scientific community. Have the methodology and results and conclusions peer reviewed by civilians with no chips in the game and then published openly.
There have been plenty of cases of scientific articles being found to be either flawed, biased or outright faked with this method.

How well is that working for the current global warming studies. There is no clear and non biased data that both sides agree on so that doesn't seem like a cut and dry thing.

[normiss 622]

Hey! It's the other sock again!

[billvon 2,396]

>How do you prevent biased data?

Peer review.

> . . . by using the data that there were more sorties flown for CAS by f-16/f-15 than the A-10.

OK. With peer review it is pretty trivial to discover incorrect data.

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normiss

The person that gave them the guns illegally should be facing a minimum of 10 years per offense IMO

http://smartgunlaws.org/straw-purchases-policy-summary/

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Federal Law

Federal law prohibits straw purchases by criminalizing the making of false statements to an FFL about a material fact on ATF Form 4473, or presenting false identification in connection with the firearm purchase. Two federal statutes – 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(6) and 18 U.S.C. § 924(a)(1)(A) – are the primary laws under which straw purchases are prosecuted.

First, 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(6) prohibits any person:

[I]n connection with the acquisition or attempted acquisition of any firearm or ammunition from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, knowingly to make any false or fictitious oral or written statement or to furnish or exhibit any false, fictitious, or misrepresented identification, intended or likely to deceive such importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of the sale or other disposition of such firearm or ammunition.

Subject to limited exceptions, 18 U.S.C. § 924(a)(1)(A) imposes criminal penalties, such as fines and imprisonment, upon any person who:

[K]nowingly makes any false statement or representation with respect to the information required by [federal firearms law] to be kept in the records of a person licensed under [federal firearms law] or in applying for any license or exemption or relief from disability under the provisions of [federal firearms law].

These false statements or representations are punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and up to 10 years in prison.14

The law and penalty is already there for this crime. Just because its not a mandatory 10 I dont see anyone CURRENTLY going aww fuck it I will take 1,2,3 years for this if caught, but suddenly say NO way if its a mandatory 10 years. Who willingly takes a chance on something 1-10 but will whole heartedly stop if its a mandatory 10. If thats the case there would never be any 3 strike offenders they would stop before the last mandatory harsh sentence.

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normiss

Hey! It's the other sock again!

SMH.

[cvfd1399 0]

billvon

>How do you prevent biased data?

Peer review.

> . . . by using the data that there were more sorties flown for CAS by f-16/f-15 than the A-10.

OK. With peer review it is pretty trivial to discover incorrect data.

All we can do is trust them again with another study and see where it goes.

[billvon 2,396]

>How well is that working for the current global warming studies.

Very well. There is a clear consensus on the causes of global warming. Of course, that doesn't mean that some people have very good reasons to deny that consensus. But that's politics, not science.

>There is no clear and non biased data that both sides agree on so that doesn't seem
>like a cut and dry thing.

There is no clear and non biased data that both researchers and 9/11 Truthers agree on when it comes to how the Twin Towers were destroyed. That doesn't mean much, though.

[billvon 2,396]

>All we can do is trust them again with another study and see where it goes.

Like the man said - trust, but verify.

[billvon 2,396]

>Hey! It's the other sock again!

If you think someone is a sock puppet please PM a mod and we will check it out. Posting this over and over doesn't help.

[cvfd1399 0]

You speaking in Russian proverbs now lol

[normiss 622]

Which is why I said it needs to be addressed.
I agree with your perspective!
It's simply not enforced as it is.

[cvfd1399 0]

The only time it is found out is after a shooting, what do you suggest periodic un announced in home weapons inspections of all homes to check that any weapons in the home of Americans is registered under their name?

[normiss 622]

I never inferred that in any way, don't try to put words in my mouth please.

[cvfd1399 0]

Well please tell us how you would like it enforced. You are the one making the claim it isnt being done so whats your suggestion.

[kallend 1,623]

normiss

Requiring complete background checks on all purchases and transfers.
The person that gave them the guns illegally should be facing a minimum of 10 years per offense IMO.

Accessory to whatever crime is committed with the weapon.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 18]

There in lies the fallacy

The problem is not guns.
It is the culture

The countries culture is driven in large part by government policy.

Our kids are taught in schools today that what happened in CA yesterday is driven by how bad our country is

I am not going into the rest of it

Suffice it to say, there is no gun law, no proposed law or going as far as taking away all guns (which could never be done) that would have or could have stopped what happened.

And everybody knows it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

I will follow up with some more later
Thanks for starting the conversation

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[tonyhays 86]

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The problem is not guns.

That right there is laughable. Guns are indeed a CONTRIBUTING factor in mass shootings.

As far as gun laws, the gun buyback in Australia seems to be working quite well. Total number of homicides down in both number and per capita. Guns used in robberies down per capita. Cost of guns on the black market have skyrocketed, putting them out of reach for many criminals.

http://www.ibtimes.com.au/cost-illegal-firearms-australia-has-skyrocketed-criminals-now-do-gun-sharing-1378871

http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide/weapon.html

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

[rushmc 18]

normiss

Hey! It's the other sock again!

Hey look

More trolling again!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

billvon

>How do you prevent biased data?

Peer review.

> . . . by using the data that there were more sorties flown for CAS by f-16/f-15 than the A-10.

OK. With peer review it is pretty trivial to discover incorrect data.

The current peer review process has been coopted by those with agendas

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

billvon

>How well is that working for the current global warming studies.

Very well. There is a clear consensus on the causes of global warming. Of course, that doesn't mean that some people have very good reasons to deny that consensus. But that's politics, not science.

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Actually, as shown, your post is not true.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

tonyhays

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The problem is not guns.

That right there is laughable. Guns are indeed a CONTRIBUTING factor in mass shootings.

As far as gun laws, the gun buyback in Australia seems to be working quite well. Total number of homicides down in both number and per capita. Guns used in robberies down per capita. Cost of guns on the black market have skyrocketed, putting them out of reach for many criminals.

http://www.ibtimes.com.au/cost-illegal-firearms-australia-has-skyrocketed-criminals-now-do-gun-sharing-1378871

http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide/weapon.html

the root problem is not guns

It is a symptom

And I do not give a fuck about any other country and besides
There are stories out there refuting your links but it really does not matter

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

tonyhays

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The problem is not guns.

That right there is laughable. Guns are indeed a CONTRIBUTING factor in mass shootings.

As far as gun laws, the gun buyback in Australia seems to be working quite well. Total number of homicides down in both number and per capita. Guns used in robberies down per capita. Cost of guns on the black market have skyrocketed, putting them out of reach for many criminals.

http://www.ibtimes.com.au/cost-illegal-firearms-australia-has-skyrocketed-criminals-now-do-gun-sharing-1378871

http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide/weapon.html

BTW
The number of guns has nothing to do with anything either
Nov just recorded record sales according to NICS checks

Gun ownership is increasing at a rapid rate yet the gun murders are not increasing and have been decreasing for decades

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln