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isis is a scum of the earth, they harm muslims and image of Islam not less than they harm non muslims. people spent their lifetimes explaining Islam to non muslims and those inhumans ruined all that was built in just couple of years. islamophobia is on the rise, not a single muslim benefits from this chaos.



Well, before ISIS started ruining it Al Qaeda was ruining it. And before them the Taliban were ruining it. And before them the Iranian Ayatollahs were ruining it. And at the same time as all of them the Saudis have been ruining it (although no one seems to mind about them because the Royals speak perfect english with posh accents and like respectable things such as horse racing and polo so really they're just like us).



of course, its human nature. there was a group of fanatic lunatics in every religion, ideology and race in human history.

I think the focus on what Islam is/isn't, is missing the big picture. For thousands of years, power-greedy psychopaths have been preying on the gullible to put them in power, and one of the tools is religion.

For example, in Saudi Arabia, there is a symbiotic relationship between the Royal Family, and the Wahabi. They need each other. The Royals grant legal power to the Wahabi to inflict their crackpot beliefs on the masses, so religion and law become indistinguishable. In return, the Wahabi keep the masses subjugated so they don't throw the Royals out of power.

One of the most important books I ever read was Eric Hoffer's "True Believer". It goes into great depth on the topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer
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these are all theories, there is a theory that isis is created by cia and mossad as well, there is a theory that saudis are US biggest allies, no one can prove it or deny it with facts. we can just speculate.

btw there is no such sect as 'wahabi'. there are sunnis and shias and over 70 sects inside these divisions but there is no such a sect as 'wahabi'. sufis, ahmediyyahs, jafaris etc etc but no wahabis. it a word that is used by so many people and to all of them it means something else. shia's call sunnis 'wahabbis', sunnis are calling khawarij "wahabis" and some might call all us muslims 'wahabis' at the end it's a word with no clear definition.
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these are all theories, there is a theory that isis is created by cia and mossad as well, there is a theory that saudis are US biggest allies, no one can prove it or deny it with facts. we can just speculate.

btw there is no such sect as 'wahabi'. there are sunnis and shias and over 70 sects inside these divisions but there is no such a sect as 'wahabi'. sufis, ahmediyyahs, jafaris etc etc but no wahabis. it a word that is used by so many people and to all of them it means something else. shia's call sunnis 'wahabbis', sunnis are calling khawarij "wahabis" and some might call all us muslims 'wahabis' at the end it's a word with no clear definition.



That's funny. I have no trouble finding a very clear definition.

My understanding was that "Wahabi" are those that follow the teachings of al-Wahhab.

And a good explanation of it (over and above the Wiki link) is HERE
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these are all theories, there is a theory that isis is created by cia and mossad as well,



Those are both theories in the same way that evolution and intelligent design are both theories. One of them is true and is supported by all available evidence, and the other is simply made up.
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Suslique

wikipedia is not a reliable source of information, at least to me, as a muslim on this particular matter :)



If you read the article it largely confirms what you said about Wahhabism.
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guilty as charged its super late over here and i cant force myself to read lengthy texts, however this:

ryoder, this is from that wiki article:

"a political trend" within Islam that "has been adopted for power-sharing purposes", but cannot be called a sect because "It has no special practices, nor special rites, and no special interpretation of religion that differ from the main body of Sunni Islam" (Abdallah Al Obeid, the former dean of the Islamic University of Medina and member of the Saudi Consultative Council)[37]

its not a sect, its a term that can be used in basically any context you'd like
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its not a sect, its a term that can be used in basically any context you'd like



Well, call them Wahhabists or not, call them Salafists or not, any way you slice it the Saud's made a devil's bargain with some Islamic hardliners and the people of Arabia have been paying for it ever since.
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***not only arabia, majority of muslims are not even arabs :/



The ones in Saudia Arabia mostly are. Or did we start talking about something else?

True.

However the majority of muslims do not live in the middle east, yet are all painted by the actions of muslims in the middle east.

Just like so many people seem to think all Buddhists are just peaceful monks.

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However the majority of muslims do not live in the middle east, yet are all painted by the actions of muslims in the middle east.



Have you forgotten Mali, Somalia, Sudan, Nigeria, Kenya, The Philippines, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, hell even China has extremest Muslims...

In all of these countries there have been attacks.

This is literally a global problem.

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However the majority of muslims do not live in the middle east, yet are all painted by the actions of muslims in the middle east.



Have you forgotten Mali, Somalia, Sudan, Nigeria, Kenya, The Philippines, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, hell even China has extremest Muslims...

In all of these countries there have been attacks.

This is literally a global problem.



Islam is one of my least favorite forms of communicable mental illness. If it weren't for its tendency toward fecundity, its virulence could be limiting. Perhaps its inherent malevolence is its greatest selling point to those who gravitate to evil posing as virtue.

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However the majority of muslims do not live in the middle east, yet are all painted by the actions of muslims in the middle east.



Have you forgotten Mali, Somalia, Sudan, Nigeria, Kenya, The Philippines, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, hell even China has extremest Muslims...

In all of these countries there have been attacks.

This is literally a global problem.



No I haven't quite forgotten. Some people need a reminder that arab = muslim isn't quite correct....in either direction.

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this is not some kind of witty observation, but generalisation and stereotyping. its like saying that there is something wrong with americans because of the amount of mass shootings or crooked police officers.

media will never tell you about positive things that are happening in the countries and communities, they will pick and share whatever is working for the agenda that is currently being pushed. not even positive. have you ever heard of ethnic cleansing of muslims in Central African Republic? Rohingya? China (Uyghurs)? Did everyone forget about Iraq? Atrocities that happened in Palestine last year came to light mainly thanks to social media and not mass media. Did you put "Pray For Beirut" as a facebook status when there was a terrorist attack right before Paris attacks? Syrians are now being portrayed as terrorists with bigots calling for closure of borders leaving them to do what?

p.s. add Guantanamo and Torture Report to the list above
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have you ever heard of ethnic cleansing of muslims in Central African Republic? Rohingya? China (Uyghurs)? Did everyone forget about Iraq? Atrocities that happened in Palestine last year came to light mainly thanks to social media and not mass media.



How convenient to play the victim when denying that atrocities committed by Muslims against non-Muslims (or other Muslims) has the slightest thing to do with Islam.

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Syrians are now being portrayed as terrorists with bigots calling for closure of borders leaving them to do what?



Victim, again. And "bigots" -- wow. Never mind the fact that Germany alone has taken in over 800k this year. Instead let's all be reminded about what victims Muslims are at the hands of those western countries doing what countries should do -- screening those who enter.

Objectivity is not your forte -- at least on the subject of adherents of your religion. This won't turn out much differently than a discussion with RonD about his religion.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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Some people need a reminder that arab = muslim isn't quite correct....in either direction



Who does? No-one in this thread that I've seen.


In this case you. The comment was clearly that the consequences were felt by muslims outside of Arabia.

In that case, some people in this thread need to learn how to read.

And by some people, I mean you.:S
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this is not some kind of witty observation, but generalisation and stereotyping. its like saying that there is something wrong with americans because of the amount of mass shootings or crooked police officers.



How are facts stereotyping? Seriously how? The fact remains, that in all of these areas muslims have committed acts of terrorism in the name of islam.

There isn't anything wrong with Americans there is something wrong with American culture, that allows crooked police officers to get off free and to perpetuate mass shootings by completely ignoring the reasons they happen. Just as there is something wrong with islamic culture if it makes you feel you have to wear a head scarf in order to not get ogeled or raped.

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media will never tell you about positive things that are happening in the countries and communities,



That's the media for you... Although I remember prominent reporting when muslims protected Christians in egypt with human chain. So that's really nor true what you are saying. The media does generally not report good news in case you haven't noticed.
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have you ever heard of ethnic cleansing of muslims in Central African Republic? Rohingya? China (Uyghurs)?


Yes I have, and I have also heard of Muslims in enslaving woman and children.There are assholes in every culture. Whats your point? You gonna tell me now that muslims are victims? They undoubtedly are in some areas, in others not so much.

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Syrians are now being portrayed as terrorists with bigots calling for closure of borders leaving them to do what?

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That really is a shame. Germany alone has taken about 800.000 refugees in the last months with about 5-10k new ones arriving every month. But you must also realize that the solution to the problem can't be to completely depopulate the whole area...

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