Hey Democrats. Do you think your primary vote matters?

[SkyDekker 1,402]

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I don't think he was saying the party has moved to the right, but instead the candidates who are center/right have not done as good job separating themselves from the candidates who are far right. As an independent looking for that center/right candidate, I would have to agree with him. If they can get a candidate to take hold of a spot center/right without any non-sense taking over from the far right, the republicans might have an electable candidate that people, including young independents, will listen to.

Exactly!

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

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I don't think he was saying the party has moved to the right, but instead the candidates who are center/right have not done as good job separating themselves from the candidates who are far right. As an independent looking for that center/right candidate, I would have to agree with him. If they can get a candidate to take hold of a spot center/right without any non-sense taking over from the far right, the republicans might have an electable candidate that people, including young independents, will listen to.

Exactly!

Name for me, if you will, a couple of issues where you see (what you and others call) a candidate having a far right view

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,402]

rushmc

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I don't think he was saying the party has moved to the right, but instead the candidates who are center/right have not done as good job separating themselves from the candidates who are far right. As an independent looking for that center/right candidate, I would have to agree with him. If they can get a candidate to take hold of a spot center/right without any non-sense taking over from the far right, the republicans might have an electable candidate that people, including young independents, will listen to.

Exactly!

Name for me, if you will, a couple of issues where you see (what you and others call) a candidate having a far right view

Building a wall on the Mexican Border
Building a wall on the Canadian Border
Making homosexuality illegal
Building a space based weapons program to be used in the War against Drugs
Alcohol Prohibition
Using the 1611 King James Bible as the Political Platform
Making Americans tithe 10% of income to the Church so government can be smaller.

[rehmwa 2]

well - you did answer the question of "Far" right wing positions.

Perhaps a 'Far' left wing platform would highlight the funny better before someone gets their panties wadded up.

elimination of all personal property
forced labor 11 months of the year for all caucasian citizens
elimination of all money - replaced by government defined 'trade credits'
removal of all fossil fuel consuming products (without any alternatives provided)
forced abortions for each citizen every 5 years - but they'll be free
mandatory annual gay sex camps for all youths between 4 and 22
public lashings of all citizens that say the wrong phrases (the list of phrases is secret)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[SkyDekker 1,402]

rehmwa

well - you did answer the question of "Far" right wing positions.

Perhaps a 'Far' left wing platform would highlight the funny better before someone gets their panties wadded up.

elimination of all personal property
forced labor 11 months of the year for all caucasian citizens
elimination of all money - replaced by government defined 'trade credits'
removal of all fossil fuel consuming products (without any alternatives provided)
forced abortions for each citizen every 5 years - but they'll be free
mandatory annual gay sex camps for all youths between 4 and 22
public lashings of all citizens that say the wrong phrases (the list of phrases is secret)

Mine all come from declared Republican candidates for presidency 2016.

Can you show me where the above comments have been made by declared Democratic candidates for presidency in 2016?

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

***well - you did answer the question of "Far" right wing positions.

Perhaps a 'Far' left wing platform would highlight the funny better before someone gets their panties wadded up.

elimination of all personal property
forced labor 11 months of the year for all caucasian citizens
elimination of all money - replaced by government defined 'trade credits'
removal of all fossil fuel consuming products (without any alternatives provided)
forced abortions for each citizen every 5 years - but they'll be free
mandatory annual gay sex camps for all youths between 4 and 22
public lashings of all citizens that say the wrong phrases (the list of phrases is secret)

Mine all come from declared Republican candidates for presidency 2016.

Can you show me where the above comments have been made by declared Democratic candidates for presidency in 2016?

Would you please show who said what?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ryoder 1,590]

SkyDekker

Building a wall on the Mexican Border
Building a wall on the Canadian Border
Making homosexuality illegal
Building a space based weapons program to be used in the War against Drugs
Alcohol Prohibition
Using the 1611 King James Bible as the Political Platform
Making Americans tithe 10% of income to the Church so government can be smaller.

What I found so far:

Building a wall on the Mexican Border
- Donald Trump

Building a wall on the Canadian Border
- Scott Walker

Making homosexuality illegal
- Jack Fellure

Building a space based weapons program to be used in the War against Drugs
- ?

Alcohol Prohibition
- Jack Fellure

Using the 1611 King James Bible as the Political Platform
- Jack Fellure

Making Americans tithe 10% of income to the Church so government can be smaller.
- A mistatement. Ben Carson said he based his 10% flat tax idea on tithing.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[JerryBaumchen 1,338]

Hi rush,

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Would you please show who said what?

About a week or so ago, I asked you to provide a cite for some claim you made. You have never responded; not so unusual for you.

In that vein, why should anyone show you 'who said what?'

Jerry Baumchen

[normiss 762]

Yahtzee!

[SkyDekker 1,402]

Building a wall on the Mexican Border
- Donald Trump

Building a wall on the Canadian Border
- Scott Walker

Making homosexuality illegal
- Jack Fellure

Building a space based weapons program to be used in the War against Drugs
- ? Michael Bickelmeyer

Alcohol Prohibition
- Jack Fellure

Using the 1611 King James Bible as the Political Platform
- Jack Fellure

Making Americans tithe 10% of income to the Church so government can be smaller.
- K. Ross Newland

[DanG 1]

C'mon. Besides Donal Trump and Scott Walker, who the hell are the rest of these guys?

- Dan G

[SkyDekker 1,402]

DanG

C'mon. Besides Donal Trump and Scott Walker, who the hell are the rest of these guys?

Representatives of the Republican Party.

[rushmc 23]

JerryBaumchen

Hi rush,

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Would you please show who said what?

About a week or so ago, I asked you to provide a cite for some claim you made. You have never responded; not so unusual for you.

In that vein, why should anyone show you 'who said what?'

Jerry Baumchen

Ya

I read every post on here

What did you ask?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rehmwa 2]

SkyDekker

***C'mon. Besides Donal Trump and Scott Walker, who the hell are the rest of these guys?

Representatives of the Republican Party.

I see. So in your mind any individual that is even trying to run for any office MUST represent an entire party. So this "Jack Fellure" guy stands for everybody in one party.

Isn't this the general problem in how people view whatever they think is the "opposing" party? as extreme caricatures. So all I have to do is find one single Dem that ever pressed for reparations, or requiring tolerance based education, or wealth seizure, and I can claim this is the Dem platform? Or one wack job that wishes people would kill themselves if they are opposed to political litmus tests for employment, or if they refuse to use the new light bulbs? I can find them on a regular basis. Doesn't mean I label an entire party by those guys. I don't do it for Dems, and I don't do it for Reps.

seems like enough people are already doing that from both sides

Edit: sadly, I was jumping in on what I thought was a mockery of that type of narrow thinking, only to find out you're serious... I mean, we already have funjumper, kallend and Ron on board. isn't that enough ridiculous extrapolation of political pissulabastation?

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[SkyDekker 1,402]

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I see. So in your mind any individual that is even trying to run for any office MUST represent an entire party. So this "Jack Fellure" guy stands for everybody in one party.

I didn't say they stand for everybody in the party.

What I said before was that the Republican was having the same issue the Conservative Party in Canada has. The centrist-right candidates have been unable to uncouple themselves from the more extreme right candidates with insane ideas.

Rush basically responded saying there are no extreme right candidates and asked for some examples of statements by far right candidates.

If your response is, but who cares about those guys, then you haven't quite been following the conversation.

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So all I have to do is find one single Dem that ever pressed for reparations, or requiring tolerance based education, or wealth seizure, and I can claim this is the Dem platform?

I didn't claim anything about representing the Republican platform. You are doing really well with the red herrings today. Surprised coming from you to be honest.

The Democrats have generally done a better idea of marginalizing the far left portion of their party. The Liberal Party in Canada unfortunately has done a better job as well.

It is hard for a centrist right candidate to get traction, if he, or she, constantly has to respond to idiotic statements being made by people representing the far boundaries of the party.

[cvfd1399 0]

Hype boy at it again.

[normiss 762]

Another pussy attempt at a PA.
Just say it.

[cvfd1399 0]

I just did as described before a week ago when people were discussing the problems around here.

You constantly tack onto others comments when they slam someone and add nothing but some school house trash talk akin to "Ooh, that got him, damn, get him, burn!"

Saying things like your previous

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Yahtzee

comment is weak low level trolling at best, and makes it look like you wish you could have came up with their comment instead.

[normiss 762]

Sometimes we all jab. Yourself included.
Hopefully it's in good fun.
I'm actually seeing a few discussions here lately that seem to be somewhat more civilized. Considerate even.
A playful agreement isn't a dig.

[rehmwa 2]

SkyDekker

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I see. So in your mind any individual that is even trying to run for any office MUST represent an entire party. So this "Jack Fellure" guy stands for everybody in one party.

I didn't say they stand for everybody in the party.

What I said before was that the Republican was having the same issue the Conservative Party in Canada has. The centrist-right candidates have been unable to uncouple themselves from the more extreme right candidates with insane ideas.

Rush basically responded saying there are no extreme right candidates and asked for some examples of statements by far right candidates.

If your response is, but who cares about those guys, then you haven't quite been following the conversation.

***So all I have to do is find one single Dem that ever pressed for reparations, or requiring tolerance based education, or wealth seizure, and I can claim this is the Dem platform?

I didn't claim anything about representing the Republican platform. You are doing really well with the red herrings today. Surprised coming from you to be honest.

The Democrats have generally done a better idea of marginalizing the far left portion of their party. The Liberal Party in Canada unfortunately has done a better job as well.

It is hard for a centrist right candidate to get traction, if he, or she, constantly has to respond to idiotic statements being made by people representing the far boundaries of the party.

That's actually how I read your post, Dekker.

Your clarification here is good, I resonate with those comments. Other than I do see Dem candidates also being impacted by their fringies too.

Maybe, just maybe - it's this guy's election to win:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/02/politics/rnc-protest-vermin-supreme/index.html

Isn't it about time to see a boot in the WHITE HOUSE?
Doesn't everyone deserve a 'free' pony?

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[turtlespeed 212]

normiss

Sometimes we all jab. Yourself included.
Hopefully it's in good fun.
I'm actually seeing a few discussions here lately that seem to be somewhat more civilized. Considerate even.
A playful agreement isn't a dig.

Dig as in dig a hole, or a whole?
Dig as in "yeah, dig it bro?"
Dig as in gouge, like "gouge out an eye?"
Dig as in "poke fun at?"

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[JerryBaumchen 1,338]

Hi rush,

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What did you ask?

Since you read them all, go find it.

Your consistent comments like that make me think that you seem to want other people to do your work for you.

Jerry Baumchen

[rushmc 23]

JerryBaumchen

Hi rush,

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What did you ask?

Since you read them all, go find it.

Your consistent comments like that make me think that you seem to want other people to do your work for you.

Jerry Baumchen

Sarcasm my friend
Tough concept
No, I do not read them all

And comments like yours remind me of a whiney 3 year old

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,893]

>The Dems have steadily moved left since I started paying attention

As more evidence that the GOP is moving farther and farther to the right -

The Reagan administration would be called liberal tree-hugging climate change alarmists by today's GOP. From WaPo:

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Reagan, Bush 41 memos reveal sharp contrast with today’s GOP on climate and the environment

By Joby Warrick December 3 at 6:00 AM

The memos, stamped “confidential” and kept under wraps for years, portray a White House eager to assert U.S. leadership on climate change. Global warming will have “profound consequences,” one document warns, and the United States “cannot wait” until all scientific questions are resolved before taking action.

The source of the memos: Not the Obama White House, but policy advisers to President George H.W. Bush.

The memos were among several formerly classified documents from the Bush and Reagan administrations obtained under the Freedom of Information Act and released on Wednesday by the National Security Archive. The documents portray senior officials in the two Republican administrations pressing for an aggressive response to international environmental issues of the day — including, during Bush’s term, climate change.

The assertive posture contrasts with the positions taken this week by leading Republican presidential contenders, several of whom publicly mocked Obama’s efforts to secure an international climate treaty in Paris. The GOP-controlled House voted Tuesday to block the administration’s signature regulation to cut greenhouse-gas pollution from U.S. power plants.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/12/03/reagan-bush-41-memos-reveal-how-republicans-used-to-think-about-climate-change-and-the-environment/?postshare=9721449145580892&tid=ss_tw
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[rushmc 23]

billvon

>The Dems have steadily moved left since I started paying attention

As more evidence that the GOP is moving farther and farther to the right -

The Reagan administration would be called liberal tree-hugging climate change alarmists by today's GOP. From WaPo:

==========
Reagan, Bush 41 memos reveal sharp contrast with today’s GOP on climate and the environment

By Joby Warrick December 3 at 6:00 AM

The memos, stamped “confidential” and kept under wraps for years, portray a White House eager to assert U.S. leadership on climate change. Global warming will have “profound consequences,” one document warns, and the United States “cannot wait” until all scientific questions are resolved before taking action.

The source of the memos: Not the Obama White House, but policy advisers to President George H.W. Bush.

The memos were among several formerly classified documents from the Bush and Reagan administrations obtained under the Freedom of Information Act and released on Wednesday by the National Security Archive. The documents portray senior officials in the two Republican administrations pressing for an aggressive response to international environmental issues of the day — including, during Bush’s term, climate change.

The assertive posture contrasts with the positions taken this week by leading Republican presidential contenders, several of whom publicly mocked Obama’s efforts to secure an international climate treaty in Paris. The GOP-controlled House voted Tuesday to block the administration’s signature regulation to cut greenhouse-gas pollution from U.S. power plants.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/12/03/reagan-bush-41-memos-reveal-how-republicans-used-to-think-about-climate-change-and-the-environment/?postshare=9721449145580892&tid=ss_tw
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So now you like Bush

Anyway. Good for the House

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln