Another mass shooting...

[jbscout2002 1]

The trends revealed it so many statements of our Founding Fathers reinforce what I was taught in my Mind Reading 101 class at a peaceful and peace-loving haven of tranquillity.

They may have "said" they wanted the "people" to have the right to bear arms, what this was all a simple misunderstanding. Obviously what they had "meant" was that the State has a right to host a Federally sponsored National Guard armed with muskets.

Judge: Do you wish to make a final statement on your behalf?

Convicted Murderer: Yes your honor, when the jury said, "we find the defendant guilty", um, they actually had "meant" to say, "not guilty".

Judge: I don't know....are you sure?

Convicted Murderer: Yes your honor. Obviously they were implying that the Court was "guilty" of falsely accusing me.

Judge: Oh my. That makes perfect sense. Thank you for clarifying. I'm dismissing all charges, and you are free to go.

[billvon 2,881]

>>When did Obama ban all guns, again?

>If he could he would

You excel at parroting the NRA mantra! Remember, thinking is dangerous; avoid it at all costs.

>The CDC is a biased organization when it comes to guns

So let's see:

NASA, NOAA and the IPCC are biased because they tell you things you don't want to hear about the climate

The CDC, APA and Johns-Hopkins are biased because they tell you things you don't want to hear about guns

The American Lung Association is biased because they tell you things you don't want to hear about smoking

The WHO is biased because they tell you things you don't want to hear about vaccines

Let me guess - you think your dentist is biased when he tells you you have to floss more, and you think your doctor is biased when he tells you to get more exercise. And of course NASA is biased when they discover water on Mars because it's all a liberal Muslim Obama plot.

>It is none of their damned business anyway

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Treat killing like a disease to slash shootings
New Scientist

Shootings and killings in deprived areas of Chicago and Baltimore have plummeted by between 41 and 73 per cent thanks to a programme that treats violence as if it is an infectious disease.

Pioneers of the programme, called CeaseFire, say it relies on simultaneously changing attitudes and behaviour and will work anywhere.
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https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17402-treat-killing-like-a-disease-to-slash-shootings

[normiss 757]

Someone should remind Texas of that last sentence.

[normiss 757]

Is that the Chicago cop who did the drive by shooting because those black people were partying too loud?
Charged inappropriately???

[jbscout2002 1]

normiss

Someone should remind Texas of that last sentence.

Judges in Texas are given a coin. One side says "fuck it, let em go", the other side says "hang em"

[jbscout2002 1]

normiss

Is that the Chicago cop who did the drive by shooting because those black people were partying too loud?
Charged inappropriately???

No, that was this new tactic called "targeted policing"

[normiss 757]

Some of it finally catching up and some prosecutors have been disbarred, although they should be charged and jailed.
More to come as well.

One of the few states that puts more effort into killing innocent black people than in actually seeking out the truth and justice.

[rushmc 23]

***Remember, thinking is dangerous; avoid it at all costs.

I do believe you are projecting sir!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 757]

Odd, I thought he was quoting one of your previous comments.

[rushmc 23]

normiss

Odd, I thought he was quoting one of your previous comments.

Odd?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Bolas 5]

Possible compromise:
In exchange for increased background checks for CCW, unsecured gun free zones don't apply to CCW, only open carry.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[wmw999 2,377]

If so, then the requirements for CCW need some consistent teeth. Currently some states have basically no requirements. Kind of makes a joke of it. And I will think that guns probably don't belong in bars...

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[jbscout2002 1]

Example of knee-jerk reactions. Here was Andrew Cuomo's response to the Newtown, CT shooting. 32 days after the incident, the NY SAFE act was quietly pushed through state legislature under "message of necessity" without review or debate, bypassing voting procedures, and a mandatory 3 day minimum vetting process, and then signed into law that night by Mr. Cuomo. Overreach much?

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The governor of New York and his state's sheriffs are locking horns over their opposition to the New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act of 2013.

“As sheriffs it is our duty and obligation to speak out against laws that do not promote the public good,” said Putnam County Sheriff Donald B. Smith, legislative committee chairman of the New York State Sheriffs’ Association.  NYSSA is a not-for-profit corporation, formed in 1934, for the purpose of assisting sheriffs in the efficient and effective delivery of sheriffs’ services to the public.

Sheriffs across the state from each political persuasion have a myriad of concerns with respect to Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s signature law, he said. “Shortly after the law was passed, I led a meeting with 52 of the 58 sheriffs where we reached a consensus to sign a letter to Cuomo expressing our position,” said Smith, whose term as president ended, but was still leading the NYSSA when the governor signed the law Jan. 15.

At stake is a basic, fundamental right of our citizens to defend themselves, he said.  “The Declaration of Independence and our governing document – the Constitution – are put at risk if citizens are stripped of their rights.”

An Albany political insider with ties to the sheriffs’ association said that several sheriffs advised him that Cuomo threatened to retaliate against them for speaking out against the SAFE Act. “One told me under condition of anonymity that all the county sheriffs are under Cuomo’s threat of personal and prolonged political attack should they continue to speak out.”

Human Events requested comments from Cuomo’s press office, but there was no response at deadline.

Smith, who is a retired Army general, said, “The Second Amendment is about good citizens protecting themselves from threats upon their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.”

The SAFE Act penalizes law abiding citizens and gives criminals an asset, he said. “Drug dealers, gang members, and felons are not going to abide by this law leaving gun owners at a disadvantage against better armed criminals.”
Putnam County is the most well-armed county in the state yet has the lowest crime rate for the past three consecutive years, he said.  “We have solid proof that arming innocent citizens works.”

NYSRPA filed an action against New York State on Jan. 29 for being in violation of the U.S. and New York State Constitutions during the passage and enforcement of the SAFE Act. 

“There was no input from the sheriffs in drafting this law,” said Dr. Stephen M. Katz, a state assemblyman representing parts of Westchester, Putnam and Duchess Counties.
Cuomo is showing himself to be a cowardly bully, he said.  “He is a coward for bypassing the normal 3-day vetting procedure, and a bully for attempting to silence the members of the state’s sheriffs’ association.”

By shutting out debate in drafting the bill, Cuomo vastly miscalculated, he said.  “His perception is that his rush-efforts advance his political aspirations.”
Katz said Cuomo is finished.  “It was a political mistake that will severely damage his career.”

[kallend 1,930]

rushmc

Again
You stated within this thread that the NRA has made gun laws toothless

Which laws and what did the NRA to do this?

Asked and answered previously - many times.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Bolas 5]

wmw999

If so, then the requirements for CCW need some consistent teeth. Currently some states have basically no requirements. Kind of makes a joke of it. And I will think that guns probably don't belong in bars...

Wendy P.

That can be decided on the state level if they feel their CCW requirements are adequate.

As for no guns in bars, if they truly wish to be gun free, they can search and provide security. I'm very much in favor of any laws increasing penalties on any weapon not used in a defensive manner in bars or other establishments where alcohol is served.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[jbscout2002 1]

According to Wikipedia-

"In the Canadian province of Ontario, then-Premier Dalton McGuinty announced a “locked door” policy, as part of a Safe Welcome Program at all elementary schools as of September 2013. About 2,450 elementary schools applied for and received funding from the province to install front-door buzzers and security cameras. Together with the 850 schools that installed them with provincial funding in 2005, the new equipment means about 80 per cent of Ontario’s 4,000 elementary schools will have secured front doors. In the Greater Toronto Area, 1,287 schools received funding through their 12 school boards such as the Toronto Catholic District School Board, Toronto District School Board, Durham Catholic District School Board, and York Region District School Board.

Every Ontario school board is required to have a local police-school board protocol, which includes a lockdown plan that is practised at least twice each year. Professional development and training has been made available to school and board staff, along with their local police services, to put the protocol in place at both the elementary and secondary levels."

I guess our politicians thought this was stupid. Or was deemed to be unworthy of effort, and written off as an effort from the NRA to derail the gun control agenda by providing solutions to the issues which provide a foundation for ultimate goal?

[rushmc 23]

kallend

***Again
You stated within this thread that the NRA has made gun laws toothless

Which laws and what did the NRA to do this?

Asked and answered previously - many times.

Nope

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jbscout2002 1]

Washington has a law that states: “It is mandatory for a motorist with criminal intentions to stop at the city limits and telephone the chief of police as he is entering the town.

This simple yet effective law would have prevented the shooter from reaching a school in Washington before the police, who would be there waiting to apprehend him in the parking lot.

Doesn't matter what law is "toothless" in your opinion. A law will only prevent someone from doing something if they respect and abide by that law.

I'm guessing since the law restricting first degree agrivated murder did nothing to dissuade him, that any other lessor laws in between would have been the straw the broke the camels back for him.

[jbscout2002 1]

In our new world of fairy dust and unicorns, maybe we can affix anti dog-bark collars to person adjudicated mentally deficient. This way if a gun falls into their hands, the noise of each shot will shock and disorient them.

Seems reasonable to me to single out the nut cases rather than try to be so sensitive to their feelings that we violate every other sane person in the country.

If you worry about a gun finding its way from a legal owner into he hands of a fuck head, then let's incapacitate all the fuck heads.

What's wrong with minor restrictions on free speech? "Hello sir, we saw that you posted some shit on your public Facebook page about how you want to kill a bunch of people. Yeah, that's not going to work for us. Here is your new cell"

[jbscout2002 1]

Oh, but that doesn't get rid of guns. And here I thought we were trying to stop mass shootings.

Really we are just concerned about adding more restrictions in addition to the "toothless" ones that infringe upon a right of the people that shall not be infringed.

Heaven forbid we put one little nick on he blackened freedom of expression one and say, "hey dickhead, it's fine that you feel that way, but you are admitting to being a danger to society"

[GeorgiaDon 355]

jbscout2002

According to Wikipedia-

"In the Canadian province of Ontario, then-Premier Dalton McGuinty announced a “locked door” policy, as part of a Safe Welcome Program at all elementary schools as of September 2013. About 2,450 elementary schools applied for and received funding from the province to install front-door buzzers and security cameras. Together with the 850 schools that installed them with provincial funding in 2005, the new equipment means about 80 per cent of Ontario’s 4,000 elementary schools will have secured front doors. In the Greater Toronto Area, 1,287 schools received funding through their 12 school boards such as the Toronto Catholic District School Board, Toronto District School Board, Durham Catholic District School Board, and York Region District School Board.

Every Ontario school board is required to have a local police-school board protocol, which includes a lockdown plan that is practised at least twice each year. Professional development and training has been made available to school and board staff, along with their local police services, to put the protocol in place at both the elementary and secondary levels."

I guess our politicians thought this was stupid. Or was deemed to be unworthy of effort, and written off as an effort from the NRA to derail the gun control agenda by providing solutions to the issues which provide a foundation for ultimate goal?

As I recall, the Sandy Hook had exactly such a system in place. Adam Lanza simply shot out the glass door and walked in. But no doubt some will respond that the school is at fault, for not having 12 inch thick steel doors at all entrances, and actually having vulnerable windows an attacker could shoot out and enter. Much safer to build our schools out of solid concrete without windows. Also we should have metal detectors at every entrance, armed guards, windowless steel doors for every classroom that lock automatically when an alarm is sounded, and a 15-foot high solid wall topped with hurricane wire around the entire property. That should be the face of freedom in America. A gun on every hip, and a barricade at every door.

Don

_____________________________________
Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[jbscout2002 1]

That would have meant no mass shooting, no pain and suffering for victims and families, no outcry from either side of the gun fight, and he would have gotten all the attention he was so starved for.

I'm sure a purdy little white boy whack job would have no problem landing himself in a relationship with a nice big caring and dominate bubba.

[jbscout2002 1]

GeorgiaDon

***According to Wikipedia-

"In the Canadian province of Ontario, then-Premier Dalton McGuinty announced a “locked door” policy, as part of a Safe Welcome Program at all elementary schools as of September 2013. About 2,450 elementary schools applied for and received funding from the province to install front-door buzzers and security cameras. Together with the 850 schools that installed them with provincial funding in 2005, the new equipment means about 80 per cent of Ontario’s 4,000 elementary schools will have secured front doors. In the Greater Toronto Area, 1,287 schools received funding through their 12 school boards such as the Toronto Catholic District School Board, Toronto District School Board, Durham Catholic District School Board, and York Region District School Board.

Every Ontario school board is required to have a local police-school board protocol, which includes a lockdown plan that is practised at least twice each year. Professional development and training has been made available to school and board staff, along with their local police services, to put the protocol in place at both the elementary and secondary levels."

I guess our politicians thought this was stupid. Or was deemed to be unworthy of effort, and written off as an effort from the NRA to derail the gun control agenda by providing solutions to the issues which provide a foundation for ultimate goal?

As I recall, the Sandy Hook had exactly such a system in place. Adam Lanza simply shot out the glass door and walked in. But no doubt some will respond that the school is at fault, for not having 12 inch thick steel doors at all entrances, and actually having vulnerable windows an attacker could shoot out and enter. Much safer to build our schools out of solid concrete without windows. Also we should have metal detectors at every entrance, armed guards, windowless steel doors for every classroom that lock automatically when an alarm is sounded, and a 15-foot high solid wall topped with hurricane wire around the entire property. That should be the face of freedom in America. A gun on every hip, and a barricade at every door.

Don

Yeah I guess your right. Maybe it was stupid for Canada to start locking the doors while class was in session.

[kallend 1,930]

rushmc

******Again
You stated within this thread that the NRA has made gun laws toothless

Which laws and what did the NRA to do this?

Asked and answered previously - many times.

Nope

Just because you don't like an answer doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 757]

IIRC, it's a second degree felony to be caught in possession of a firearm in an establishment that serves alcohol or bar if you have a CWP.
Given that the new FL definition of "bar" is any place that makes 51% of the income from the sale of alcohol, and that bowling alleys are considered "bars", I'm unsure where to carry!
Outlaw biker buddies decided NOT having a CWP was safer as the penalty is lessened.