turtlespeed 212 #1 September 9, 2015 There has to be more to this, doesn't there? http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/09/08/students-write-allah-only-god-tennessee-middle-school-history-classI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #2 September 9, 2015 QuoteThere has to be more to this, doesn't there? Actually, if you read the linked page and have at least half a brain you should be able to see there is less to it. Molehill sized really. I have ZERO problem with teaching comparative religion classes in schools. It's a great idea and tends to show none of them carry any real weight.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #3 September 9, 2015 quadeQuoteThere has to be more to this, doesn't there? Actually, if you read the linked page and have at least half a brain you should be able to see there is less to it. Molehill sized really. I have ZERO problem with teaching comparative religion classes in schools. It's a great idea and tends to show none of them carry any real weight. I don't think any religion should be taught in school. And certainly not to the extent that they are writing down prayers.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #4 September 9, 2015 turtlespeed***QuoteThere has to be more to this, doesn't there? Actually, if you read the linked page and have at least half a brain you should be able to see there is less to it. Molehill sized really. I have ZERO problem with teaching comparative religion classes in schools. It's a great idea and tends to show none of them carry any real weight. I don't think any religion should be taught in school. Amen... At best, it condones the half-assed ignorant teaching of religious bullshit that is bound to lead to a derivative of even more ignorant oddball bullshit...Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #5 September 9, 2015 turtlespeed***QuoteThere has to be more to this, doesn't there? Actually, if you read the linked page and have at least half a brain you should be able to see there is less to it. Molehill sized really. I have ZERO problem with teaching comparative religion classes in schools. It's a great idea and tends to show none of them carry any real weight. I don't think any religion should be taught in school. And certainly not to the extent that they are writing down prayers. I think you're not quite understanding what is going on then. They aren't "teaching religion," they are teaching the students "about" various religions. This is roughly analogous to teaching students "about" different cultures. It doesn't mean the student then becomes German or Jewish or Indonesian, but they can learn that different parts of the world do things differently.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #6 September 9, 2015 quade******QuoteThere has to be more to this, doesn't there? Actually, if you read the linked page and have at least half a brain you should be able to see there is less to it. Molehill sized really. I have ZERO problem with teaching comparative religion classes in schools. It's a great idea and tends to show none of them carry any real weight. I don't think any religion should be taught in school. And certainly not to the extent that they are writing down prayers. I think you're not quite understanding what is going on then. They aren't "teaching religion," they are teaching the students "about" various religion. This is roughly analogous to teaching students "about" different cultures. It doesn't mean the student then becomes German or Jewish or Indonesian, but they can learn that different parts of the world do things differently. Perhaps they should explain the similarities first, and how they derived from each other, eh? The point is that there is just too much info to even remotely convey an accurate understanding...most have to actually live it to understand, so I don't see the point in some half-assed teaching.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #7 September 9, 2015 CoreeecePerhaps they should explain the similarities first, and how they derived from each other, eh? The point is that there is just too much info to even remotely convey an accurate understanding...most have to actually live it to understand, so I don't see the point in some half-assed teaching. Do you believe students should be taught math or a foreign language even if they aren't going to become mathematicians or translators? They shouldn't be taught music if they aren't going to be a musician? They shouldn't be taught PE unless they're going to become a professional athlete? REALLY? Students shouldn't be exposed to the wide variation of cultures on the planet if they aren't going to live in them? WTF? Seriously?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #8 September 9, 2015 quade***Perhaps they should explain the similarities first, and how they derived from each other, eh? The point is that there is just too much info to even remotely convey an accurate understanding...most have to actually live it to understand, so I don't see the point in some half-assed teaching. Do you believe students should be taught math or a foreign language even if they aren't going to become mathematicians or translators? They shouldn't be taught music if they aren't going to be a musician? They shouldn't be taught PE unless they're going to become a professional athlete? REALLY? Students shouldn't be exposed to the wide variation of cultures on the planet if they aren't going to live in them? WTF? Seriously? Math, language, music and physics aren't affected by subjective bias in the same way religion can be...take for example teachings by a homosexual liberal atheist, or a hardcore fundamentalist christian prepper... Religion is best left at home and at church, or in a personal atmosphere.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #9 September 9, 2015 QuoteReligion is best left at home and at church, or in a personal atmosphere Holy agreement batman! We agree on something!“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #10 September 9, 2015 CoreeeceMath, language, music and physics aren't affected by subjective bias in the same way religion can be...take for example teachings by a homosexual liberal atheist, or a hardcore fundamentalist christian prepper... Religion is best left at home and at church, or in a personal atmosphere.what about history then ?scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 186 #11 September 9, 2015 turtlespeedThere has to be more to this, doesn't there? http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/09/08/students-write-allah-only-god-tennessee-middle-school-history-class If religion is taught as part of Health class, I'm cool with it. Washing your hands helps keep E Coli out of the food chain. Sex is fun, but Gonorrhea, Syphilis, HIV and babies are known to result if you're not careful. Playing make-believe is entertaining, but the human mind is susceptible to all kinds of malware that prey upon this pastime. It is easily demonstrated that any conglomeration of nonsense that meets a few key programming standards can garner a following of True Believers (tm). Witness Mormon and Scientology. A study of the origins of various popular systems of belief reveal the social underpinnings they have in common. It is more useful to use religions that are out of favor as examples, since it is a given that a significant part of the class, to include the teacher, is likely to adhere to some system of belief. True skeptics are rare indeed. I think Islam should be discussed in class precisely as National Socialism should be reviewed. One may ignore something that evil at their own peril. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,911 #12 September 9, 2015 turtlespeedThere has to be more to this, doesn't there? http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/09/08/students-write-allah-only-god-tennessee-middle-school-history-class Actually, atheists don't usually do outrage. The main point of that thinking is using reason. It's more religious people, especially fundamentalists that are prone to feeling outrage over the actions of others.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #13 September 9, 2015 piisfishWhat about history then? This is a good comparison. The teaching of history and religion is susceptible to both revisionism and selection bias. In my experience with history courses it usually came in the form of spending an inordinate amount of time on the particular teacher/professor's favorite topic. I'm frankly very skeptical about anyone doing a great job of presenting the history and core tenets of world religions on an even field. I do think that most social studies teachers can probably do an okay job. Everyone should just encourage their kids to read more and not to be afraid to ask questions. That leads me to a spin off question for people. There's a balance as to what grade level this material is appropriate for. Younger kids are more impressionable and older kids will hopefully have developed better critical thinking skills. Is junior high a good compromise? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #14 September 9, 2015 gowlerk***There has to be more to this, doesn't there? http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/09/08/students-write-allah-only-god-tennessee-middle-school-history-class Actually, atheists don't usually do outrage. The main point of that thinking is using reason. It's more religious people, especially fundamentalists that are prone to feeling outrage over the actions of others. Who is it that has the most issue with personal prayer in school? Who is it that has an issue with kids reciting the pledge of allegiance, or at the least the part that reads, "under God"? Where are those people now, since classes had to not only write down, but had to memorize a prayer, in school, and as part of the curriculum? Can you imagine what would happen if a public school made their classes recite the Lord's Prayer?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #15 September 9, 2015 Quote Who is it that has an issue with kids reciting the pledge of allegiance, or at the least the part that reads, "under God"? It's not the issue of saying the pledge of allegiance, just say it as originally written. There was no god. There still isn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #16 September 9, 2015 gowlerk***There has to be more to this, doesn't there? http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/09/08/students-write-allah-only-god-tennessee-middle-school-history-class Actually, atheists don't usually do outrage. The main point of that thinking is using reason. It's more religious people, especially fundamentalists that are prone to feeling outrage over the actions of others. Ah, "SHARE IF YOU ARE OUTRAGED" The sure indication of a right wing lie that hasn't been fact-checked, posted on Facebook.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,911 #17 September 9, 2015 turtlespeed******There has to be more to this, doesn't there? http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/09/08/students-write-allah-only-god-tennessee-middle-school-history-class Actually, atheists don't usually do outrage. The main point of that thinking is using reason. It's more religious people, especially fundamentalists that are prone to feeling outrage over the actions of others. Who is it that has the most issue with personal prayer in school? Who is it that has an issue with kids reciting the pledge of allegiance, or at the least the part that reads, "under God"? Where are those people now, since classes had to not only write down, but had to memorize a prayer, in school, and as part of the curriculum? Can you imagine what would happen if a public school made their classes recite the Lord's Prayer? These are all issues that matter to atheists. But they don't generally feel or express outrage about them. If they decide to confront and work toward changing them they will tend to use reason and to work patiently within the system. Outrage is for fanatics.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,121 #18 September 9, 2015 I'd say that a study of the Ten Commandments, or of the basic tenets of "born again" should be included in a study of Christianity. The Lords Prayer not so much so, as it's not a basis but an express ion of faith. Of course, I'm not an atheist, never mind an outraged one. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #19 September 9, 2015 wmw999I'd say that a study of the Ten Commandments, or of the basic tenets of "born again" should be included in a study of Christianity. The Lords Prayer not so much so, as it's not a basis but an express ion of faith. Of course, I'm not an atheist, never mind an outraged one. Wendy P. The Flying Spaghetti Monster and Scientology must be included in the curriculum as well.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #20 September 9, 2015 gowlerkThese are all issues that matter to atheists. But they don't generally feel or express outrage about them. If they decide to confront and work toward changing them they will tend to use reason and to work patiently within the system. Outrage is for fanatics. I'm agnostic more so than atheist. Is that why I don't have such a self satisfied opinion of my group? (of course, this just might be natural for someone aligned with "can't know, don't care") Don't get me wrong, I find the fringies of any of the belief systems to be out of control and totally unreasonable, but for the typical member of any religion (atheist included), I really couldn't identify them from each other. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #21 September 9, 2015 turtlespeedThe Flying Spaghetti Monster and Scientology must be included in the curriculum as well. BTW, I have no problem whatsoever with it all being grouped and taught under the heading "Mythology."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #22 September 9, 2015 As long as everyone knows the FSM is on top controlling it all with his noodly appendages. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #23 September 9, 2015 >The point is that there is just too much info to even remotely convey an >accurate understanding... That's true of physics, math and biology for 7th graders as well. Still a good idea to teach such things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prior23 0 #24 September 9, 2015 Are you meaning to tell me I can't get my masters in 'Creation Science' anymore?? This is an outrage. B.A.S.E. #1734 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #25 September 9, 2015 turtlespeed***I'd say that a study of the Ten Commandments, or of the basic tenets of "born again" should be included in a study of Christianity. The Lords Prayer not so much so, as it's not a basis but an express ion of faith. Of course, I'm not an atheist, never mind an outraged one. Wendy P. The Flying Spaghetti Monster and Scientology must be included in the curriculum as well. Cthulhu is not pleased that you were not inclusive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
