More mass shootings

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billvon

>We are born evil.

We're not born good or evil. We are born with greed, compassion, anger, love, jealousy and forgiveness inherent in us. How we shape those basic drives into a higher morality determines whether we are "good" or "evil" (depending on how you define those words.)

>Who are the best teachers in this era?

Parents.

Bingo. Parents first and foremost.

[billvon 2,394]

>To put it in perspective, put a kitten or a puppy in a room with a toddler, say 1-2 years
>old, and give him/her ZERO instructions on how to treat it. Betcha more often than not
>the animal ends up getting hurt/tortured/killed.

Hmm. I've seen exactly that play out for a bit* and no one got seriously hurt/tortured/killed. There was a lot of crying and yipping, but both toddlers and puppies (both very social creatures) are good at understanding distress in another similar animal.

Almost invariably the crying and yipping brings a parent, who sees chaos and thinks "oh thank God I intervened or the puppy would have gotten hurt!" But that's because their instincts in terms of what noises mean distress are similar to (although more refined) than a toddler's.

I agree that even the yipping doesn't mean evil; it just means they don't know how to play with a dog.

(* - a group of cousins with a new puppy. They played inside with it and almost immediately got yelled at for pulling on the puppy's ears or something. Then they went outside and repeated that, without the parents. There were four or five pulls before the kids associated the yipping with what they were doing and then they stopped.)

[billvon 2,394]

Last October there was a story in the Onion:

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Americans Hopeful This Will Be Last Mass Shooting Before They Stop On Their Own For No Reason

10/02/17 1:20pm

WASHINGTON—Expressing a sense of guarded optimism that the latest incident of gun violence that left 58 dead and 500 injured in Las Vegas would be a turning point for the nation, Americans across the country confirmed Monday they were hopeful this would be the last mass shooting before all such occurrences stopped on their own for no reason at all. “After something as horrific as what happened in Las Vegas, we’re all just hoping that now these terrible shootings will stop once and for all without circumstances changing in any way or any of us taking even the slightest amount of action in response,” said Harrisburg, PA resident David Snyder, echoing the sentiments of tens of millions of citizens from coast to coast who told reporters they were confident that, after living through the most deadly mass shooting in modern American history and taking no material steps to change gun laws, reevaluate safety standards, increase access to mental health care, or even have a national conversation about how mass shootings could be avoided in the future, tragedies of this kind would at long last come to an end.
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But this time things are a little different. We HAVE made changes. Specifically, we've cut funding for dealing with school violence and made it easier for the mentally disturbed to get weapons.

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School safety money would be slashed in Trump budget

By KIMBERLY HEFLING 02/15/2018 0
Politico

Two days before the school shooting in Florida that left 17 dead, the Trump administration proposed cutting millions in federal education programs meant to help prevent crime in schools and assist them in recovery from tragedies.

Funds targeted for reduction or elimination in the Trump administration's fiscal 2019 request have helped pay for counselors in schools and violence prevention programs. Such funds were used for mental health aid for students and teachers in the Newtown, Conn., school district following the deadly shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in 2012.
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Trump Undid Obama Rule That Added Mentally Ill People to Gun Check Register
By KIRSTEN KOROSEC February 15, 2018
Fortune

President Donald Trump’s tweet Thursday highlighting the mental illness of the man charged in the deadly mass shooting at a Florida high school has angered gun control advocates who point to an Obama-era gun checks regulation he repealed last year.

“So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!,” Trump wrote in the tweet.

The tweet suggests the man, 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz who is the suspected gunman, should have been reported. (He was by at least one man, who reported him to the FBI.) The tweet also sparked an outcry amongst gun control advocates who noted that Trump repealed an initiative last February that that would have made it harder for people with mental illness to buy a gun.

The Obama-era regulation, which was enacted after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System. The measure would have affected about 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs.
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[RonD1120 58]

billvon

>We are born evil.

We're not born good or evil. We are born with greed, compassion, anger, love, jealousy and forgiveness inherent in us. How we shape those basic drives into a higher morality determines whether we are "good" or "evil" (depending on how you define those words.)

>Who are the best teachers in this era?

Parents.

Florida teacher of the year weighed in regarding parents.

>On Thursday, a Florida middle school teacher weighed in with a Facebook post that has since gone viral, declaring it's the parents.

Kelly Guthrie Raley's post, which was picked up by Fox News, had more than 600,000 shares as of Sunday afternoon:<

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/02/18/after-school-shooting-parents-blame/349371002/

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Did you even read the article? In the same article:

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Published in 2016, the report found families do play roles that can either increase or decrease violence. It did not, however, find support for "harsh" parenting, which is viewed as a risk factor.

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nolhtairt

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>Who are the best teachers in this era?

Parents.

Bingo. Parents first and foremost.

Some parents are. Some parents are just ok and some parents are the absolute worst.

That's the problem with parents, anyone can become one. There are no tests for admission and no disqualifying factors either. The guy who's not allowed to work as a janitor within 4 miles of a school building can be a parent.

Don't get me wrong, some parents are absolutely committed to giving their kids the best possible education and preparation for the life ahead of them. But you're kidding yourself if you don't think that some of them are just like Janice in accounting.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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RonD1120

***>We are born evil.

We're not born good or evil. We are born with greed, compassion, anger, love, jealousy and forgiveness inherent in us. How we shape those basic drives into a higher morality determines whether we are "good" or "evil" (depending on how you define those words.)

>Who are the best teachers in this era?

Parents.

Florida teacher of the year weighed in regarding parents.

>On Thursday, a Florida middle school teacher weighed in with a Facebook post that has since gone viral, declaring it's the parents.

Kelly Guthrie Raley's post, which was picked up by Fox News, had more than 600,000 shares as of Sunday afternoon:<

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/02/18/after-school-shooting-parents-blame/349371002/

Lenient parenting is to blame for someone killing a bunch of classmates in a school? I didn't think we'd run through the barrel of bullshit this quickly but we're obviously scraping the bottom of it.

Ron, do you think the US has worse parenting than every other developed country in the world?

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

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>Lenient parenting is to blame for someone killing a bunch of classmates in a school?

Exactly. It's all the parents, or video games, or the democrats, or rock and roll, or mental health something. Guns have nothing to do with it; he could have killed as many people with a sharpened spoon.

[airdvr 197]

Seems to me the solution is rather simple. We guard the President with armed men...some banks have armed guards...just employ veterans who are armed and place them in the schools. Shooters might think twice if they know someone who knows what they're doing will be shooting back.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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nolhtairt

*********>I wonder if we started teaching our children morality based on a real loving God with a
>plan of salvation? I wonder if that would help them deal with their anger, anxiety,
>depression and guilt as they grow into adulthood? I wonder if they would then be better
>equipped to handle maturational, situational and emotional crises?

It would probably help some, because religion provides a pre-packaged morality with a very big stick (i.e. "you'll go to hell" or some equivalent punishment) to enforce it - and some people respond well to such packaged moralities and dire threats.

It would probably hurt some, because many religions provide a "get out of jail free" card that they can use to justify selfish and egocentric decisions. Also, by not having to figure out their own morality at a young age, they can reach a point where the simple pre-packaged moralities provided by their church no longer work in the real world - and they are left adrift, unpracticed at deciding right and wrong for themselves.

For most people it probably won't make much difference; they will have an internal morality not easily swayed by religious or secular edicts.

We are born evil.

Absolute rubbish.

To put it in perspective, put a kitten or a puppy in a room with a toddler, say 1-2 years old, and give him/her ZERO instructions on how to treat it. Betcha more often than not the animal ends up getting hurt/tortured/killed.

Even then, it's not that they were born evil, they just didn't know any better. Their actions could be seen as evil to some.

To the best of my knowledge, no-one is born a toddler 1-2 years old.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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I saw that meme on FB.
The school had an armed guard on duty. I guess one wasn't enough. Maybe one per room? One per door? Snipers on the roof of the gym?


Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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airdvr

Seems to me the solution is rather simple. We guard the President with armed men...some banks have armed guards...just employ veterans who are armed and place them in the schools. Shooters might think twice if they know someone who knows what they're doing will be shooting back.

They don't need armed guards at schools in the UK, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Canada, Australia, Sweden, Denmark, Spain, Belgium.... and other western developed nations to prevent shooting massacres.

Is it because they don't have any mental illness in those places? Or could it POSSIBLY be that they have sensible gun laws?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[RonD1120 58]

airdvr

Seems to me the solution is rather simple. We guard the President with armed men...some banks have armed guards...just employ veterans who are armed and place them in the schools. Shooters might think twice if they know someone who knows what they're doing will be shooting back.

I agree and in addition, the teachers should be instructed in small arms and should carry concealed.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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February 14, 2018, at Parkland, FL
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April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo.: Cassie Bernall, 17; Steven Curnow, 14; Corey DePooter, 17; Kelly Fleming, 16; Matthew Kechter, 16; Daniel Mauser, 15; Daniel Rohrbough, 15; William “Dave” Sanders, 47; Rachel Scott, 17; Isaiah Shoels, 18; John Tomlin, 16; Lauren Townsend, 18; Kyle Velasquez, 16.

Dec. 26, 2000, at Edgewater Technology in Wakefield, Mass.: Jennifer Bragg Capobianco, 29; Janice Hagerty, 46; Louis “Sandy” Javelle, 58; Rose Manfredi, 48; Paul Marceau, 36; Cheryl Troy, 50; Craig Wood, 29.

March 21, 2005, at Red Lake High School on the Red Lake Indian Reservation in Red Lake, Minn.: Derrick Brun, 28; Dewayne Lewis, 15; Chase Lussier, 15; Daryl Lussier, 58; Neva Rogers, 62; Chanelle Rosebear, 15; Michelle Sigana, 32; Thurlene Stillday, 15; Alicia White, 15.

Oct. 2, 2006, at an Amish schoolhouse in Lancaster County, Pa.: Naomi Ebersol, 7; Marian Stoltzfus Fisher, 13; Lena Zook Miller, 7; Mary Liz Miller, 8; Anna Mae Stoltzfus, 12.

April 16, 2007, at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va.: Ross Abdallah Alameddine, 20; Christopher James “Jamie” Bishop, 35; Brian Bluhm, 25; Ryan Clark, 22; Austin Cloyd, 18; Jocelyne Couture-Nowak, 49; Daniel Perez Cueva, 21; Kevin Granata, 46; Matthew G. Gwaltney, 24; Caitlin Hammaren, 19; Jeremy Herbstritt, 27; Rachael Elizabeth Hill, 18; Emily Hilscher, 19; Jarrett Lane, 22; Matthew J. La Porte, 20; Henry Lee, 20; Liviu Librescu, 76; G.V. Loganathan, 51; Partahi Lumbantoruan, 34; Lauren McCain, 20; Daniel O’Neil, 22; Juan Ramon Ortiz, 26; Minal Panchal, 26; Erin Peterson, 18; Michael Pohle, 23; Julia Pryde, 23; Mary Read, 19; Reema Samaha, 18; Waleed Shaalan, 32; Leslie Sherman, 20; Maxine Turner, 22; Nicole R. White, 20.

Dec. 5, 2007, at the Westroads Mall in Omaha: Beverly Flynn, 47; Janet Jorgensen, 66; Gary Joy, 56; John McDonald, 65; Gary Scharf, 48; Angie Schuster, 36; Dianne Trent, 53; Maggie Webb, 24.

April 3, 2009, at the American Civic Association immigration services center in Binghamton, N.Y.: Parveen Nln Ali, 26; Almir O. Alves, 43; Marc Henry Bernard, 44; Maria Sonia Bernard, 46; Hai Hong Zhong, 54; Hong Xiu Mao, 35; Jiang Ling, 22; Layla Khalil, 57; Roberta King, 72; Lan Ho, 39; Li Guo, 47; Dolores Yigal, 53; Maria Zobniw, 60.

Nov. 5, 2009, at Fort Hood, near Killeen, Tex.: Michael Grant Cahill, 62; Libardo Eduardo Caraveo, 52; Justin Michael DeCrow, 32; John P. Gaffaney, 56; Frederick Greene, 29; Jason Dean Hunt, 22; Amy S. Krueger, 29; Aaron Thomas Nemelka, 19; Michael S. Pearson, 22; Russell Seager, 51; Francheska Velez, 21; Juanita L. Warman, 55; Kham See Xiong, 23.

Jan. 8, 2011, in the parking lot of a grocery store near Tucson: Christina Taylor Green, 9; Dorothy Morris, 76; John M. Roll, 63; Phyllis Schneck, 79; Dorwan Stoddard, 76; Gabriel Zimmerman, 30.

Feb. 27, 2012, at Chardon High School in Chardon, Ohio: Demetrius Hewlin, 16; Russell King, Jr., 17; Daniel Parmertor, 16.

April 2, 2012, at Oikos University in Oakland, Calif.: Tshering Rinzing Bhutia, 38; Doris Chibuko, 40; Sonam Choedon, 33; Grace Eunhea Kim, 23; Katleen Ping, 24; Judith O. Seymour, 53; Lydia Sim, 21.

July 20, 2012, at the Century Aurora 16 movie complex in Aurora, Colo.: Jonathan Blunk, 26: A.J. Boik, 18; Jesse Childress, 29; Gordon W. Cowden, 51; Jessica Ghawi, 24; John Thomas Larimer, 27; Matthew McQuinn, 27; Micayla Medek, 23; Veronica Moser-Sullivan, 6; Alex Matthew Sullivan, 27; Alexander Teves, 24; Rebecca Ann Wingo, 3.

Aug. 5, 2012, at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in Oak Creek, Wis.: Satwant Singh Kaleka, 65; Suveg Singh Khattra, 84; Paramjit Kaur, 41; Prakash Singh, 39; Ranjit Singh, 49; Sita Singh, 41.

Dec. 14, 2012, at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.: Charlotte Bacon, 6; Daniel Barden, 7; Rachel D’Avino, 29; Olivia Engel, 6; Josephine Gay, 7; Dylan Hockley, 6; Dawn Hocksprung, 47; Madeleine F. Hsu, 6; Catherine V. Hubbard, 6; Chase Kowalski, 7; Jesse Lewis, 6; Ana M. Marquez-Greene, 6; James Mattioli, 6; Grace McDonnell, 7; Anne Marie Murphy, 52; Emilie Parker, 6; Jack Pinto, 6; Noah Pozner, 6; Caroline Previdi, 6; Jessica Rekos, 6; Avielle Richman, 6; Lauren Russeau, 30; Mary Sherlach, 56; Victoria Soto, 27; Benjamin Wheeler, 6; Allison N. Wyatt, 6.

Sept. 16, 2013, at the Washington Navy Yard in the District: Michael Arnold, 59; Martin Bodrog, 54; Arthur Daniels, 51; Sylvia Frasier, 53; Kathy Gaarde, 62; John Roger Johnson, 73; Mary Frances DeLorenzo Knight, 51; Frank Kohler, 51; Vishnu Bhalchandra Pandit, 61; Kenneth Bernard Proctor, 46; Gerald Read, 58; Richard Michael Ridgell, 52.

April 2, 2014, at Fort Hood near Killeen, Tex.: Daniel M. Ferguson, 39; Carlos A. Lazaney-Rodriguez, 38; Timothy Wayne Owens, 37.

April 13, 2014, at the Jewish Community Center of Greater Kansas City and the Village Shalom Retirement Center, both in Overland Park, Kan.: William Lewis Corporon, 69; Terri LaManno, 53; Reat Griffin Underwood, 14.

June 17, 2015, at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C.: Sharonda Coleman-Singleton, 45; DePayne V. Middleton Doctor, 49; Cynthia Graham Hurd, 54; Susie Jackson, 87; Ethel Lee Lance, 70; Clementa C. Pinckney, 41; Tywanza Sanders, 26; Daniel Simmons, 74; Myra Thompson, 59.

July 16, 2015, at an armed services recruiting center and a Navy reserve center in Chattanooga, Tenn.: Carson A. Holmquist, 25; Randall Smith, 26; Thomas J. Sullivan, 40; Squire K. “Skip” Wells, 21; David A. Wyatt, 35.

Oct. 1, 2015, at a community college in Roseburg, Ore.: Lucero Alcaraz, 19; Treven Taylor Anspach, 20; Rebecka Ann Carnes, 18; Quinn Glen Cooper, 18; Kim Saltmarsh Dietz, 59; Lucas Eibel, 18; Jason Dale Johnson, 33; Lawrence Levine, 67; Sarena Dawn Moore, 44.

Nov. 27, 2015, at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs: Jennifer Markovsky, 36; Ke’Arre M. Stewart, 29; Garrett Swasey, 44.

Dec. 2, 2015, at an office park in San Bernardino, Calif.: Robert Adams, 40; Isaac Amanios, 60; Bennetta Betbadal, 46; Harry Bowman, 46; Sierra Clayborn, 27; Juan Espinoza, 50; Aurora Godoy, 26; Shannon Johnson, 45; Larry Daniel Kaufman, 42; Damian Meins, 58; Tin Nguyen, 31; Nicholas Thalasinos, 52; Yvette Velasco, 27; Michael Raymond Wetzel, 37.

June 12, 2016, at Pulse nightclub in Orlando: Stanley Almodovar III, 23; Amanda L. Alvear, 25; Oscar A. Aracena Montero, 26; Rodolfo Ayala Ayala, 33; Antonio Davon Brown, 29; Darryl Roman Burt II, 29; Angel Candelario-Padro, 28; Juan Chavez Martinez, 25; Luis Daniel Conde, 39; Cory James Connell, 21; Tevin Eugene Crosby, 25; Deonka Deidra Drayton, 32; Simón Adrian Carrillo Fernández, 31; Leroy Valentin Fernandez, 25; Mercedez Marisol Flores, 26; Peter Ommy Gonzalez Cruz, 22; Juan Ramon Guerrero, 22; Paul Terrell Henry, 41; Frank Hernandez, 27; Miguel Angel Honorato, 30; Javier Jorge Reyes, 40; Jason Benjamin Josaphat, 19; Eddie Jamoldroy Justice, 30; Anthony Luis Laureano Disla, 25; Christopher Andrew Leinonen, 32; Alejandro Barrios Martinez, 21; Brenda Marquez McCool, 49; Gilberto R. Silva Menendez, 25; Kimberly Jean Morris, 37; Akyra Monet Murray, 18; Luis Omar Ocasio Capo, 20; Geraldo A. Ortiz Jimenez, 25; Eric Ivan Ortiz-Rivera, 36; Joel Rayon Paniagua, 32; Jean Carlos Mendez Perez, 35; Enrique L. Rios Jr., 25; Jean Carlos Nieves Rodríguez, 27; Xavier Emmanuel Serrano-Rosado, 35; Christopher Joseph Sanfeliz, 24; Yilmary Rodríguez Solivan, 24; Edward Sotomayor Jr., 34; Shane Evan Tomlinson, 33; Martin Benitez Torres, 33; Jonathan A. Camuy Vega, 24; Juan Pablo Rivera Velázquez, 37; Luis Sergio Vielma, 22; Franky Jimmy DeJesus Velázquez, 50; Luis Daniel Wilson-Leon, 37; Jerald Arthur Wright, 31.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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RonD1120

***Seems to me the solution is rather simple. We guard the President with armed men...some banks have armed guards...just employ veterans who are armed and place them in the schools. Shooters might think twice if they know someone who knows what they're doing will be shooting back.

I agree and in addition, the teachers should be instructed in small arms and should carry concealed.

Children today are not stupid. Furthermore everyone knows you don't bring a sidearm to a rifle-fight! If the mentally ill children are untreated because tax breaks are necessary for Wall Street and billionaires. Then bring AR-15's to schools the teachers will be outgunned.

Just like the battle law enforcement went through a couple years ago to get Ar-15's and M-4's in the squad car. Teachers need proper equipment. Start them out right with a proper level lV helmet, Esapi body armor and Ar-15's.We can't let teachers be outgunned in America.

Even Breitbart knows your argument lacks attention to the specific needs of teachers. Especially as the republicans are set to pass new national reciprocity concealed carry:
Congress is moving forward with its new “guns everywhere” proposal
https://www.salon.com/2018/02/13/congress-is-moving-forward-with-its-new-guns-everywhere-proposal/

Below the Breitbart story:
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/08/05/anti-gun-texas-professor-wears-body-armor-class-protest-campus-carry/

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airdvr

Seems to me the solution is rather simple. We guard the President with armed men...some banks have armed guards...just employ veterans who are armed and place them in the schools. Shooters might think twice if they know someone who knows what they're doing will be shooting back.

You're a veteran, right? GO DO THAT. You can volunteer in many capacities at a school and even if you don't have a gun you can stand watch.

I'm absolutely serious, I'm sure there's a school near you, I'm sure there's a PTA and I'm VERY sure they would be happy to have a program in which people at the very least stood watch purely for the purpose of keeping an eye on suspicious people entering or walking through the school.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

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RonD1120

***Seems to me the solution is rather simple. We guard the President with armed men...some banks have armed guards...just employ veterans who are armed and place them in the schools. Shooters might think twice if they know someone who knows what they're doing will be shooting back.

I agree and in addition, the teachers should be instructed in small arms and should carry concealed.

School budgets are already stretched thin to the point that teachers buy classroom supplies from their own pockets in many school districts. Now you want to add more overhead that has zilch to do with actual education.

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airdvr

Seems to me the solution is rather simple. We guard the President with armed men...some banks have armed guards...just employ veterans who are armed and place them in the schools. Shooters might think twice if they know someone who knows what they're doing will be shooting back.

Are Eric Rudolph or Tim McVeigh still available?

There's nothing special about veterans that especially qualifies them to protect civilians in a non-combat zone. Given the number of school/mass shooters who kill themselves, it seems naïve to believe the threat of being shot would frighten them into inaction.

Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

[airdvr 197]

I guess you're all correct. This why nothing gets done. Liberals demand action, but only if it's the action they desire.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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RonD1120

I agree and in addition, the teachers should be instructed in small arms and should carry concealed.

How many hours a week should the school devote to target practice for the teachers? Because I'm sure you don't think that unpracticed civilians shooting at small targets who would be firing back in a room full of non-combatants would end well.

They should probably have PT each morning as well. To make sure they're ready for an emergency.

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billvon

>Lenient parenting is to blame for someone killing a bunch of classmates in a school?

Exactly. It's all the parents, or video games, or the democrats, or rock and roll, or mental health something. Guns have nothing to do with it; he could have killed as many people with a sharpened spoon.

Well
More people die by knives every year than they do by rifles. So your getting closer.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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airdvr

I guess you're all correct. This why nothing gets done. Liberals demand action, but only if it's the action they desire.

ding ding ding ding ding

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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airdvr

I guess you're all correct. This why nothing gets done. Liberals demand action, but only if it's the action they desire.

Taking the right action is more important that just taking action.
If someone has a bad idea it should n't be put into practice just because it's an idea.

That's how we've been left with a load a meaningless legislation around ammo, magazines and modifications. Weapon types will be next, and it's just as meaningless.

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yoink

. Weapon types will be next, and it's just as meaningless.

That is a really good point!

I have asked a couple of people here if they want AR15's banned are they going after these too?
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=browning+bar+hunting+rifles&qpvt=browning+bar+hunting+rifles&FORM=IGRE

No answer as of yet.

They function EXACTLY the same!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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airdvr

I guess you're all correct. This why nothing gets done. Liberals demand action, but only if it's the action they desire.

Are you willing to go to your local school and volunteer RIGHT NOW? Maybe next month? Seriously, you probably can get involved with your local PTA and make it happen.

I'm not asking this rhetorically or hypothetically. Are you going to do this?

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher