More mass shootings

[normiss 622]

It appears some of the legal definitions are just too difficult for some to understand, so they use the big ugly emotional words they hear on TV.

[cvfd1399 0]

Ask him to admit besides what they HAD to charge him with does he believe it was terrorism.

If he says no then my argument is still valid he believes or wants to still argue it wasnt.

[wmw999 2,121]

Is there really that clear a line? If the shooter in Tennessee had been a Christian, would you have thought it was Christian terrorism or would you have figured he was a wacko? If you think that's terrorism, then you're judging the act alone. If you think a Christian must have been a wacko, then you are judging the person as much as the act.

It might be that he's a wacko who decided to use the biggest baddest way he could think of. Is he a terrorist only because he's a Muslim? If so, then you're applying different rules to different people based on their religion. That's kind of against the law.

So maybe it's not a hard line, with Muslims having that line in one place, and Christians having it somewhere else. And when it happens in the workplace, particularly one where the perp had problems, then there's almost certainly more than just terrorism.

Note: we don't know enough about the latest one yet; it could be that the anger is trumped up to cover terrorism, or it could be that he's just a more determined wacko, or it could be something else entirely.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[cvfd1399 0]

I applied no religion in my definition of what he did.
Use the FBI definition

"Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

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Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;

Shooting people-Check

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Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and

Stated his attack on US military service members was "an attempt to protect taliban leaders in Afghanistan from American troops."-Check

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Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

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Add to that self admitted terrorism with credible links to a terrorist leader and emails.


I am not at all arguing the military's charges I have always understood WHY they did not charge him with terrorism. My intent was to convey the general term of what occured which clearly was terrorism.

[normiss 622]

How does the FBI apply to the UCMJ?

You keep using legal words to twist criminal definitions but that's not how the law works.
It's not about emotions, it's about law, period.

[cvfd1399 0]

It's clear you cannot depart from using your very narrow technical argument to prove you are right. If you can't see that this was an act of terrorism and the charges are what they are because it was the only option irrespective of what happened then fine. If you are sticking to your guns in attempt to win an argument then just say it. I would much rather know your being hard headed than the other choice.

[billvon 2,396]

> If you can't see that this was an act of terrorism and the charges are what they
>are because it was the only option irrespective of what happened then fine.

I note that you are incensed that he has not yet referred to this incident as terrorism, even though you have not yet used the word terrorist to refer to the Christian extremist who shot 12 people and killed 3 in Colorado in support of his agenda. Glass houses and all that.

[cvfd1399 0]

billvon

> If you can't see that this was an act of terrorism and the charges are what they
>are because it was the only option irrespective of what happened then fine.

I note that you are incensed that he has not yet referred to this incident as terrorism, even though you have not yet used the word terrorist to refer to the Christian extremist who shot 12 people and killed 3 in Colorado in support of his agenda. Glass houses and all that.

Has anyone referenced this here? Was I participating in that thread? Give me a few I will review it and get back with my answer I have not followed that shooting much.

[cvfd1399 0]

Yes I would call that domestic terrorism.

He used violence in a manner which appeared to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; and to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping

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According to an unnamed senior law enforcement official, first quoted by NBC News, Dear gave a "rambling" interview after his arrest[19] in which he said at one point, "No more baby parts",[25] a statement that has been seen as a reference to the Planned Parenthood 2015 undercover videos controversy.[26][27] The unnamed official added that Dear "said a lot of things" in his police interview, including that he has anti-abortion and anti-government views,[22] and that his acts were "definitely politically motivated."[28] Dear is alleged to have made statements about President Barack Obama during the events surrounding the shooting; this attracted attention from the U.S. Secret Service, who dispatched agents to evaluate the remarks and interview him.

[normiss 622]

I'm thankful you're not involved in legal work of any kind.
The emotional response to any shooting is wrong IMO.
It's not a technical "argument", it's just how law works.

So let's try your way.
Soldier shoots fellow soldiers on post and is summarily arrested and charged with "terrorism".
Judge: Case dismissed. Next!

Because that's how it works.

[cvfd1399 0]

Once again you cant grasp the fucking concept that we are NOT talking about the legal verbiage as a court case, but the social term for what happened.!!

[normiss 622]

Oh sorry, murder then.

[kallend 1,623]

And yet another.

www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/22/shooting-reportedly-kills-7-at-ohio-home.html

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[SkyDekker 1,122]

kallend

And yet another.

www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/22/shooting-reportedly-kills-7-at-ohio-home.html

Hard to believe that could happen. Isn't acquiring a weapon pretty easy in Ohio?

[kallend 1,623]

SkyDekker

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And yet another.

www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/22/shooting-reportedly-kills-7-at-ohio-home.html

Hard to believe that could happen. Isn't acquiring a weapon pretty easy in Ohio?

Georgia too. Hard to believe.

www.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/us/gunman-sought-in-killing-of-5-people-in-a-georgia-community.html?_r=0

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[RMK 3]

Sorry, I’m getting all my US mass shootings confused. Are we discussing 7 shot in Ohio or 5 shot in Georgia on the same day? Maybe we should get a spreadsheet or something to keep up.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/23/five-dead-in-2-shootings-across-northeast-georgia-officials-search-for-gunman.html

However, we shouldn’t worry ourselves with these dozen deaths; the US has far more pressing issues on their plate such as which bathroom people use.

"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes"

[kallend 1,623]

Time to resurrect this thread.
www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooting.html

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[piisfish 135]

Horrible news.

scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM

[RMK 3]

This one is now at 50+ dead.

I wonder how the national conversation will go on this one?

In this instance, the photos are not of LBGT people in dance party glitter nor of young black men in urban street wear at a rap concert; we see photos of young girls in jean shorts and cowboy hats - a photo that could be the daughter of any of the MAGA hat wearing crowd.

"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes"

[tkhayes 126]

nope, we will simply say, "this is not the time to talk about it"... which is the standard response to all tragedies and all protests in the USA. Americans are so weak and such pussies that they cannot address the issues that face society... unless of course it means more guns and war.

[RMK 3]

You got a "Presidential Tweet"; everything will be OK now.

"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes"

[kallend 1,623]

Nevada's absurdly strict gun laws are clearly to blame.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[gowlerk 1,911]

kallend

Nevada's absurdly strict gun laws are clearly to blame.

And outdoor public gatherings. Why are they allowed? Such target rich environments are like people are just asking for it. If you are going to allow such events they should be required to have armed patriots at or near all possible firing points. Especially in places God may be unhappy about. Like Sin City.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[normiss 622]

White privilege.
I would expect to hear a positive gun rights comment from the NRA, and never hear the word terrorism.
Everyone should have a full auto machine gun.

Increased security stations at the entrance to hotels, casinos, concerts, downtown areas, bathrooms, public gathering places, malls, airport entrances, grocery stores, etc.

[RMK 3]

This could have turned out better if everyone at the concert was carrying.

"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes"