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>So you view guns as a special piece of property

Hell yes. They are dangerous, and the instant you forget that, and start treating them like anything else you own, you are no longer safe with it.

I have no problem with responsible gun owners who keep guns in their houses. The ones who are irresponsible, who don't treat their weapons with respect, who treat them with no more care than a discarded magazine - those people are the people who will end up killing kids, strangers and themselves.

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>So you view guns as a special piece of property

Hell yes. They are dangerous, and the instant you forget that, and start treating them like anything else you own, you are no longer safe with it.

I have no problem with responsible gun owners who keep guns in their houses. The ones who are irresponsible, who don't treat their weapons with respect, who treat them with no more care than a discarded magazine - those people are the people who will end up killing kids, strangers and themselves.



So how far do you think someone has to go?
Who decides?

If I do not have my guns in a safe am I on your bad owner list?

Or are you talking about someone who just leaves guns laying around a home (which I have seen)

How far Bill???
At this point you are stepping on my rights by forcing YOUR views into MY home?

Who decides?

You?



Like I said
Get the hell out of my house sir!
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>So how far do you think someone has to go?

Some basics:
Store guns and ammunition separately
Store guns in a lockable place (gun cabinet, gun safe, lockable hard sided case)
Use trigger locks where practical

>Get the hell out of my house sir!

If you store your gun safely I'd be happy to. If not - I support laws that take guns away from irresponsible owners, and I would support the police's right to enter your house to confiscate your weapon and prevent you from killing yourself or others.

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There is a flaw in that thinking I believe. You are choosing the most deadly and problematic weapon the US is facing and applying your beliefs. If this were the UK where the most problematic and deadly weapon is a knife would you say the same about steak knives needing to be locked up in a safe? Isn't it really the fault of the criminal in the end. Why is the fault of the knife owner.

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> You are choosing the most deadly and problematic weapon the US is facing
>and applying your beliefs.

Yes, since the thread was about guns, and I was replying to a post about guns.

If you want to start a thread about knifings in the UK by all means do so.

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billvon

>So how far do you think someone has to go?

Some basics:
Store guns and ammunition separately
Store guns in a lockable place (gun cabinet, gun safe, lockable hard sided case)
Use trigger locks where practical

>Get the hell out of my house sir!

If you store your gun safely I'd be happy to. If not - I support laws that take guns away from irresponsible owners, and I would support the police's right to enter your house to confiscate your weapon and prevent you from killing yourself or others.



All of the above is none of your damned business

All I need to do is keep my house locked

You?

butt out
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Anvilbrother

No I want you to respond to the question not deflect.



He will not do it

Because gun in the US is a political and emotions filled issue

Facts, logics and individuatl rights go right out the window
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>All of the above is none of your damned business

>All I need to do is keep my house locked

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Man accidentally shoots neighbor while cleaning gun
Female victim didn't appear to have life-threatening injuries
December 9, 2014

A woman was struck in the forearm Tuesday evening after her neighbor accidentally shot her.

According to Topeka Police Sgt. Steve Roth, a man was cleaning a rifle in the Willow Run apartments at 5239 S.W. West on Tuesday evening. The man had removed the magazine from the rifle and didn’t realize a bullet was already in the chamber, he said.

“He set it down, the bullet went forward and the gun went off,” he said.

The bullet traveled through the man’s TV and apartment wall and struck a woman who was returning to her apartment after grocery shopping, Roth said. The bullet passed through her right forearm. The victim was transported by AMR to a local hospital, but her injuries didn’t appear to be life-threatening, he said.
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Man accidentally fires gun through apartment wall
Mother, child almost hit in Colorado Springs

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -

Colorado Springs police said a woman and her child narrowly escaped being shot Tuesday evening when a neighbor accidentally fired his gun.

The incident happened at an apartment complex in the 3700 block of E. San Miguel Street near the Academy Boulevard intersection. It was reported to police at 7:46 p.m.

Police said Shelly Jones and her 10-year-old son were watching television when a handgun round penetrated the walls of their living room, nearly hitting them.
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If rounds from your gun can get past your locked door, then cops have the right to come through that locked door as well to keep you from shooting people.

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When the ones that believe there should zero responsibility regarding guns possession are the ones directly effected by a loony with a semi-auto, then we might start making some progress.
Jebus. No wonder we have such a gun problem.

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billvon

>All of the above is none of your damned business

>All I need to do is keep my house locked

===================
Man accidentally shoots neighbor while cleaning gun
Female victim didn't appear to have life-threatening injuries
December 9, 2014

A woman was struck in the forearm Tuesday evening after her neighbor accidentally shot her.

According to Topeka Police Sgt. Steve Roth, a man was cleaning a rifle in the Willow Run apartments at 5239 S.W. West on Tuesday evening. The man had removed the magazine from the rifle and didn’t realize a bullet was already in the chamber, he said.

“He set it down, the bullet went forward and the gun went off,” he said.

The bullet traveled through the man’s TV and apartment wall and struck a woman who was returning to her apartment after grocery shopping, Roth said. The bullet passed through her right forearm. The victim was transported by AMR to a local hospital, but her injuries didn’t appear to be life-threatening, he said.
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Man accidentally fires gun through apartment wall
Mother, child almost hit in Colorado Springs

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -

Colorado Springs police said a woman and her child narrowly escaped being shot Tuesday evening when a neighbor accidentally fired his gun.

The incident happened at an apartment complex in the 3700 block of E. San Miguel Street near the Academy Boulevard intersection. It was reported to police at 7:46 p.m.

Police said Shelly Jones and her 10-year-old son were watching television when a handgun round penetrated the walls of their living room, nearly hitting them.
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If rounds from your gun can get past your locked door, then cops have the right to come through that locked door as well to keep you from shooting people.



This has nothing to do with what we are talking about

Of course if I shoot through my walls and inujure someone I should be held responsible

If someone breaks into my house and shoots someone through the walls I should NOT be held responsible.

So, if or when a round ever comes out of my house be my guest

Otherwise
buzz off

Funny
You go from the issue of storage to this to try and make a point

Nice diversion however.....
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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When the ones that believe there should zero responsibility regarding guns possession are the ones directly effected by a loony with a semi-auto, then we might start making some progress.
Jebus. No wonder we have such a gun problem.



And you fully demonstrate the reason why those who own guns fight anti gun nuts like you

you will find any reason to take

and still keep for yourself

People like you are the reason we fight so hard to keep a right!

BTW

Who here has EVER shown they believe there should be zero responsibilty regarding gun possession??

Name them?

I know you cant but it will be funny to see you try to
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Goal posts ripped from the ground and thrown away:|. Keep it locked up....No criminals should not break in my house.....You should keep it locked up...Stay out of my personal home......If you could shoot people through walls we should have the right to come in your home... Wut....


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>Of course if I shoot through my walls and inujure someone I should be held
>responsible

Yes. You are also responsible for taking sufficient care with your weapons so that that doesn't happen. Which is why I support laws that require safe storage of weapons.

>If someone breaks into my house and shoots someone through the walls I
>should NOT be held responcible.

They are responsible for firing the weapon. You are responsible for making it accessible to them.

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To follow your logic from you last post

I think the police should give you a speeding ticket today

Even though you were not speeding at the time, your vehicle clearly has the ability to do so.

Pay up dude
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>Of course if I shoot through my walls and inujure someone I should be held
>responsible

Yes. You are also responsible for taking sufficient care with your weapons so that that doesn't happen. Which is why I support laws that require safe storage of weapons.

>If someone breaks into my house and shoots someone through the walls I
>should NOT be held responcible.

They are responsible for firing the weapon. You are responsible for making it accessible to them.



the simple fact that I own a gun makes it possible for them to access it
Regarless of what I do

No, I should not be held responsible for criminal actions with stolen property

Get the hell out of my house

You nor the law have any right to infringe on my rights

You scream keep your nose out of the woman body or out of peoples beds

yet you hypocritically say differently when it comes to gun owners

you have exposed yourself as a busy body
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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The UK version care to address it?

Proportion of homicides: 39% Sharp object
http://www.statista.com/statistics/288166/homicide-method-of-killing-in-england-and-wales-uk-by-gender/\

The knife homicide is their U.S. gun problem. Now insert your thinking

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They are responsible for firing stabbing the weapon knife. You are responsible for making it accessible to them



You mandating everyone lock up their steak knives in the UK too?

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normiss

"anti gun nuts like you"

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Finally, a funny post from you.



If the foo shits!
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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No, I should not be held responsible for criminal actions with stolen property



If you left your gun in your front yard overnight and somebody took it to rob a corner store, you do not think you should bare any responsibility?



If you left your car parked in your drive way, with the keys in it. A drunk steals it and runs someone over. Do you think you should bare any responsibility?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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No, I should not be held responsible for criminal actions with stolen property



If you left your gun in your front yard overnight and somebody took it to rob a corner store, you do not think you should bare any responsibility?



Another set up

If you left the keys in your car in your locked garage. Someone steals it and runs over someone. Should you bare any responsibility?

I WILL directly answer your question but, I want to see where you are coming from first.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>I think the police should give you a speeding ticket today
>Even though you were not speeding at the time, your vehicle clearly has the
>ability to do so.

I think the police _should_ give you a ticket for driving a car with no brakes, no headlights, no turn signals and no horn. Even if you claim that you are such a good driver that you will never get in an accident with your car.

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How about

you leave a bat laying in your front yard overnight

Someone steals it and beats someone to death with it

Should you bare some responsibility?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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