billvon 2,380 #26 August 8, 2015 >I've never understood the "armed society is a polite society" mentality. It justifies weapons purchases. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,620 #27 August 8, 2015 "Only Thing That Stops A Bad Guy With A Hatchet Is A Good Guy With A Hatchet"; National Axe Association.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #28 August 8, 2015 kallend "Only Thing That Stops A Bad Guy With A Hatchet Is A Good Guy With A Hatchet"; National Axe Association. So now we need more air soft laws and axe laws. I'm sure this has been asked before, but what happens when the only people that have guns legally are police, and then illegally owned by criminals? Where does that leave everyone else?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #29 August 8, 2015 turtlespeed*** "Only Thing That Stops A Bad Guy With A Hatchet Is A Good Guy With A Hatchet"; National Axe Association. So now we need more air soft laws and axe laws. I'm sure this has been asked before, but what happens when the only people that have guns legally are police, and then illegally owned by criminals? Where does that leave everyone else? I suppose it leaves people regretting that the Second Amendment, which fairly recently received renewed deference from the Supreme Court, has been repealed. Which it hasn't. Which is why your question is a slippery-slope strawman that contributes nothing to the discussion of reality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,116 #30 August 8, 2015 I'll just bet that if only cops and criminals had guns, the gun death rate would go down significantly. Because accidental shootings would go down, and "I'm drunk and pissed" killings by otherwise law abiding people would go down. Criminal-caused death would go up, but I'll just bet they'd go up way less than the others would drop it. Look at the death rates in most other industrialized countries. However, that's all guesswork, but it's probably as accurate as anyone else's guesswork. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #31 August 8, 2015 wmw999I'll just bet that if only cops and criminals had guns, the gun death rate would go down significantly. Because accidental shootings would go down, and "I'm drunk and pissed" killings by otherwise law abiding people would go down. Criminal-caused death would go up, but I'll just bet they'd go up way less than the others would drop it. Look at the death rates in most other industrialized countries. However, that's all guesswork, but it's probably as accurate as anyone else's guesswork. Wendy P. one side affect of that would be that the police would have to become even more militarized than they are now.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #32 August 8, 2015 >one side affect of that would be that the police would have to become even >more militarized than they are now. No, they would not have to deal with as much firearm violence - thus their jobs would move from armed response to de-escalation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,620 #33 August 8, 2015 turtlespeed***I'll just bet that if only cops and criminals had guns, the gun death rate would go down significantly. Because accidental shootings would go down, and "I'm drunk and pissed" killings by otherwise law abiding people would go down. Criminal-caused death would go up, but I'll just bet they'd go up way less than the others would drop it. Look at the death rates in most other industrialized countries. However, that's all guesswork, but it's probably as accurate as anyone else's guesswork. Wendy P. one side affect of that would be that the police would have to become even more militarized than they are now. Like in Australia, New Zealand, Britain, Ireland, France, Canada, Japan, Italy, Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, Denmark, etc. where police killings of civilians are far higher than in the USA. Oh, wait, they're far lower. Scratch that theory.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #34 August 8, 2015 kallend******I'll just bet that if only cops and criminals had guns, the gun death rate would go down significantly. Because accidental shootings would go down, and "I'm drunk and pissed" killings by otherwise law abiding people would go down. Criminal-caused death would go up, but I'll just bet they'd go up way less than the others would drop it. Look at the death rates in most other industrialized countries. However, that's all guesswork, but it's probably as accurate as anyone else's guesswork. Wendy P. one side affect of that would be that the police would have to become even more militarized than they are now. Like in Australia, New Zealand, Britain, Ireland, France, Canada, Japan, Italy, Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, Denmark, etc. where police killings of civilians are far higher than in the USA. Oh, wait, they're far lower. Scratch that theory. How many firearms did they have at the time of the banning?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #35 August 8, 2015 wmw999So your contention is that it's cheaper and better to wait for problems to develop and solve them one at a time? I guess you weren't in favor of mistake-proofing during your black belt training either. Wendy P. Not related at all Point is No matter what you do you will never have that utopia that you dream of. Quote”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.” You are not talking about mistake proofing Far from it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,620 #36 August 8, 2015 turtlespeed*********I'll just bet that if only cops and criminals had guns, the gun death rate would go down significantly. Because accidental shootings would go down, and "I'm drunk and pissed" killings by otherwise law abiding people would go down. Criminal-caused death would go up, but I'll just bet they'd go up way less than the others would drop it. Look at the death rates in most other industrialized countries. However, that's all guesswork, but it's probably as accurate as anyone else's guesswork. Wendy P. one side affect of that would be that the police would have to become even more militarized than they are now. Like in Australia, New Zealand, Britain, Ireland, France, Canada, Japan, Italy, Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, Denmark, etc. where police killings of civilians are far higher than in the USA. Oh, wait, they're far lower. Scratch that theory. How many firearms did they have at the time of the banning? Non sequitur. Has nothing to do with militarization of US police.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
