SkyDekker 1,121 #151 October 16, 2015 turtlespeed>>>>This guy contributes big dollars to poor economies in order to do this hunt. That only matters when it benefits their argument. Otherwise, the detest it. >>>>And when they have killed them all, then what? Just too bad? Then they kill something else >>>>Those who are poor will do almost anything for money, without any regard for the long term impacts. Then give them your money and they won't be poor anymore. Another troll post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #152 October 16, 2015 DanGQuoteAnimals do not have rights Of course they do. Don't be silly. WE have a certain ethical responsibility in how we treat animals though. it's not animal rights, it's more about us and our expectations of our own behavior WE have a certain ethical responsibility in how we treat other humans though. pretty much the definition of rights. it's about an expectation from others on how their lives should be respected the parallel is VERY close though so it really comes down to a subjective semantic discussion. or a degree of how one anthropomorphizes animals (which I find silly, and actually a bit damaging really, and sometimes outright stupid) so it's a moot point at best, or a contrived conflict point at worse so if someone wants to call it "animal rights", I understand what they mean. unless they are a nutjob that prioritizes another species over their own, then they are trying to twist a term in order to make a parallel that I don't agree with one bit ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #153 October 16, 2015 Call it what you will. I don't care. I agree that we have a duty (both legal and ethical) to treat animals well. Differnt people, and different localities, have different definitions of what "well" entails. Some people think that humans should be able to do anything they want to animals. I think those peeople are psychopaths. Other people think we should treat animals better than people. I think those people are crazy. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #154 October 16, 2015 DanGCall it what you will. I don't care. I agree that we have a duty (both legal and ethical) to treat animals well. Differnt people, and different localities, have different definitions of what "well" entails. Some people think that humans should be able to do anything they want to animals. I think those peeople are psychopaths. Other people think we should treat animals better than people. I think those people are crazy. well crap - I pretty much align with this whole post and have nothing witty or snarky to add sorry ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #155 October 16, 2015 SkyDekker***>>>>This guy contributes big dollars to poor economies in order to do this hunt. That only matters when it benefits their argument. Otherwise, the detest it. >>>>And when they have killed them all, then what? Just too bad? Then they kill something else >>>>Those who are poor will do almost anything for money, without any regard for the long term impacts. Then give them your money and they won't be poor anymore. Another troll post. Not at all. All three of my responses are true statements.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #156 October 16, 2015 rehmwa***Call it what you will. I don't care. I agree that we have a duty (both legal and ethical) to treat animals well. Differnt people, and different localities, have different definitions of what "well" entails. Some people think that humans should be able to do anything they want to animals. I think those peeople are psychopaths. Other people think we should treat animals better than people. I think those people are crazy. well crap - I pretty much align with this whole post and have nothing witty or snarky to add sorry That would depend on what is, in your mind, classified as an animal. Are insects animals? What about baby mice? What about mice fetuses? Do we apply the same logic to human zygotes to animal ones?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #157 October 16, 2015 I am civilized and animals do not have rights. Only the overly emitional think feel otherwise"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #158 October 16, 2015 Quote I am civilized and animals do not have rights. Only the overly emitional think feel otherwise I have to thank you for reminding me that there are people in our country today who think like that. I just made a $500 donation to PETA. Thanks again. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #159 October 16, 2015 >I am civilized and animals do not have rights. Glad you are in a tiny minority, then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #160 October 16, 2015 billvon>I am civilized and animals do not have rights. Glad you are in a tiny minority, then. Could you please show the link to their bill of rights please? The one recognized by the three branches of the US Gov.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #161 October 16, 2015 DanGQuote I am civilized and animals do not have rights. Only the overly emitional think feel otherwise I have to thank you for reminding me that there are people in our country today who think like that. I just made a $500 donation to PETA. Thanks again. So who do you root for here, and why is that position the right one to have.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #162 October 16, 2015 DanG Quote Animals do not have rights Of course they do. Don't be silly. I'm afraid he's right on this one - as was recently clarified by Royal edict animals don't have rights, because they don't pay taxes and haven't earned them. (Though since that comes from a woman who was born into one family of hereditary wealth and privilege, married into a bigger one and lived rent free in a state mansion for decades you have to wonder how her rights were earned!)Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #163 October 16, 2015 jakee *** Quote Animals do not have rights Of course they do. Don't be silly. I'm afraid he's right on this one - as was recently clarified by Royal edict animals don't have rights, because they don't pay taxes and haven't earned them. (Though since that comes from a woman who was born into one family of hereditary wealth and privilege, married into a bigger one and lived rent free in a state mansion for decades you have to wonder how her rights were earned!) Weren't they given to her by God?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #164 October 16, 2015 Sorry, can't watch youtube at work. Can you describe the situation? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #165 October 16, 2015 billvon>I am civilized and animals do not have rights. Glad you are in a tiny minority, then. Me and the courts http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/05/nyregion/chimps-dont-have-same-rights-as-humans-court-says.html?_r=0"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #166 October 16, 2015 rushmc***>I am civilized and animals do not have rights. Glad you are in a tiny minority, then. Me and the courts http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/05/nyregion/chimps-dont-have-same-rights-as-humans-court-says.html?_r=0 Not the same rights is not the same as no rights.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #167 October 16, 2015 DanGSorry, can't watch youtube at work. Can you describe the situation? I think it's something about late term abortions, painful fetal dismemberment and selling of the body parts.... ...oh, no...wait - that was something else - Turtle's video was about a snake eating a mouse, nevermind...Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #168 October 16, 2015 DanGQuote I am civilized and animals do not have rights. Only the overly emitional think feel otherwise I have to thank you for reminding me that there are people in our country today who think like that. I just made a $500 donation to PETA. Thanks again. Mmmmmmmmm People Eating Tasty Animals BTW You do know they euthanizes dogs and cats as much or more than any other organization in the US, right? http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/04/09/peta-takes-heat-over-claims-it-killed-90-of-animals-dropped-off-at-virginia-shelter/"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #169 October 16, 2015 jakee ******>I am civilized and animals do not have rights. Glad you are in a tiny minority, then. Me and the courts http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/05/nyregion/chimps-dont-have-same-rights-as-humans-court-says.html?_r=0 Not the same rights is not the same as no rights. No rights Period WE DO, however, IMO have an ethical and moral obligation to treat animals humanly But then, this will get us into a debate about the meaning of humane I suppose"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #170 October 16, 2015 QuoteNo rights Period Yes, I know that's what you think, but on the basis of that story it's not what you can say the courts support you on. It's not you and the courts. It's you. Period.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #171 October 16, 2015 QuoteYou do know they euthanizes dogs and cats as much or more than any other organization in the US, right? Yeah, I did know that. Due to massive overpopulation because of dumb asses who don't fix their pets there isn't a way to care for milllions of dogs and cats in the US. Putting them to sleep is a more ethical action than confining them to a cage for the rest of their lives. BTW, the People Eating Tasty Animals is about the stupidest, and most often repeated, dumb joke out there. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #172 October 16, 2015 QuoteNo rights Period So, legally you think people should be allowed to buy a kitten at a pet store and torture it to death? How about dog fighting? Should that be illegal? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #173 October 16, 2015 >Me and the courts Once again you didn't even read your own link. Here's a quick list of rights animals have under the law in Iowa: Animal abuse IOWA CODE ANN. § 717B.2 Animal neglect IOWA CODE ANN. § 717B.3 Intentional animal neglect resulting in serious injury or death IOWA CODE ANN. § 717B.3 Animal torture IOWA CODE ANN. § 717B.3A Abandonment of cats and dogs IOWA CODE ANN. § 717B.8 Livestock neglect IOWA CODE ANN. § 717.2 Providing for neglected animals IOWA CODE ANN. § 717.2A Providing for care of a threatened animal IOWA CODE ANN. §§ 717B.4, 717B.5(3) MAXIMUM PENALTIES - 2 years imprisonment and $6,250 fine >No rights. Period. Sorry, the courts disagree. If you don't believe me, try torturing a horse, then claim it was fine because they have no rights, period, and the courts agree with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southsidedvr 0 #174 October 16, 2015 DanGQuote I am civilized and animals do not have rights. Only the overly emitional think feel otherwise I have to thank you for reminding me that there are people in our country today who think like that. I just made a $500 donation to PETA. Thanks again. I gotta see proof of that or I call BS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #175 October 16, 2015 Not rights Protctions maybe But then the left has been redehining rights for decades so i can see how you would prefer to call those laws rights"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
