rushmc 18 #201 July 31, 2015 grueWho cares what happens to ANY human tissue after the person dies? God, move on. Cemeteries are a waste of space, cremation is a waste of energy. If we can benefit from the tissue in some way, be it scientific research or feeding sharks, why not do it? Sentimentalism is lame. What is lame is the de-valuing of life to the level you just did And I will leave it at that"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hjeada 0 #202 July 31, 2015 gowlerkIn this case "your kind" was meant to refer to those who want to force their view upon others and to make others comply with what is essentially their religious view. A little like Taliban. Could the inverse not be said of your position, and for that matter 'your kind' (I am not placing you or your views in any bucket as I don't know what they truly are, I am just making a point)? There is an equal push from the opposite view wanting to force others to accept their position on abortion. Just because something is legal doesn't mean that it is moral, just the same as morality doesn't equate to legality. So, from the opposing view it will always feel, well, a bit "Talibanesque". Whether the driving force behind one's position is religion, morality, or legality really is moot, as opposing parties will almost always discredit positions that aren't the same as their own as inferior. Latest polls that I found (in a 3 second search) show the US is still split between prolife and prochoice (http://www.gallup.com/poll/170249/split-abortion-pro-choice-pro-life.aspx), so while completely legal (and I would argue that it should remain legal), the morality of the topic is still definitely not decided.Dudeist Skydiver #0511 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #203 July 31, 2015 IIRC, Sweden was doing this research long before abortion was even legal in the US, MUCH to the benefit of the rest of the humans on the planet. Blame them. THEY STARTED IT! #thanksObama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #204 July 31, 2015 rushmc***Who cares what happens to ANY human tissue after the person dies? God, move on. Cemeteries are a waste of space, cremation is a waste of energy. If we can benefit from the tissue in some way, be it scientific research or feeding sharks, why not do it? Sentimentalism is lame. What is lame is the de-valuing of life to the level you just did And I will leave it at that Devaluing life… you mean in the way that an unwanted child can ruin a life if someone is forced to bring it to term? Pregnancy is nothing more than hosting a parasite, and getting rid of that parasite can be the best life choice for a lot of people. I value lives, just not of parasites.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #205 July 31, 2015 grueWho cares what happens to ANY human tissue after the person dies? God, move on. Cemeteries are a waste of space, cremation is a waste of energy. If we can benefit from the tissue in some way, be it scientific research or feeding sharks, why not do it? Sentimentalism is lame. As for abortion itself? Hell, the more the merrier. Homer: Marge, please, old people don't need companionship. They need to be isolated and studied so it can be determined what nutrients they have that might be extracted for our personal use. The Simpson's - Lady Bouvier's Lover (1994) QuotePregnancy is nothing more than hosting a parasite, and getting rid of that parasite can be the best life choice for a lot of people. This is classic - I'm going for popcorn. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,911 #206 July 31, 2015 Hjeada***In this case "your kind" was meant to refer to those who want to force their view upon others and to make others comply with what is essentially their religious view. A little like Taliban. Could the inverse not be said of your position, and for that matter 'your kind' (I am not placing you or your views in any bucket as I don't know what they truly are, I am just making a point)? There is an equal push from the opposite view wanting to force others to accept their position on abortion. Just because something is legal doesn't mean that it is moral, just the same as morality doesn't equate to legality. So, from the opposing view it will always feel, well, a bit "Talibanesque". Whether the driving force behind one's position is religion, morality, or legality really is moot, as opposing parties will almost always discredit positions that aren't the same as their own as inferior. Latest polls that I found (in a 3 second search) show the US is still split between prolife and prochoice (http://www.gallup.com/poll/170249/split-abortion-pro-choice-pro-life.aspx), so while completely legal (and I would argue that it should remain legal), the morality of the topic is still definitely not decided. You are largely correct. But the difference is that I am not telling anyone that they must have an abortion, but they are telling others that they should not be allowed to have one. I am not asking or telling anyone to agree with my morality. Once again, if it is not your womb it is not your business. That is a legal matter, not a moral matter.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #207 July 31, 2015 rehmwa***Who cares what happens to ANY human tissue after the person dies? God, move on. Cemeteries are a waste of space, cremation is a waste of energy. If we can benefit from the tissue in some way, be it scientific research or feeding sharks, why not do it? Sentimentalism is lame. As for abortion itself? Hell, the more the merrier. Homer: Marge, please, old people don't need companionship. They need to be isolated and studied so it can be determined what nutrients they have that might be extracted for our personal use. The Simpson's - Lady Bouvier's Lover (1994) Once a kid is born or is at a point where it can live with routine maintenance like feeding, I'll tend towards protecting it, but when it's the size of a GI Joe and has no chance of survival outside of the host? No real loss.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #208 July 31, 2015 normiss IIRC, Sweden was doing this research long before abortion was even legal in the US, MUCH to the benefit of the rest of the humans on the planet. Blame them. THEY STARTED IT! #thanksObama I am not against research As this is going to get done anyway have a law that states that all should be donated to proper medical and college research operations Selling of the parts will and has lead to ugly consequenses"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #209 July 31, 2015 grue******Who cares what happens to ANY human tissue after the person dies? God, move on. Cemeteries are a waste of space, cremation is a waste of energy. If we can benefit from the tissue in some way, be it scientific research or feeding sharks, why not do it? Sentimentalism is lame. Put down the shovel and back away What is lame is the de-valuing of life to the level you just did And I will leave it at that Devaluing life… you mean in the way that an unwanted child can ruin a life if someone is forced to bring it to term? Pregnancy is nothing more than hosting a parasite, and getting rid of that parasite can be the best life choice for a lot of people. I value lives, just not of parasites."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #210 July 31, 2015 Hi grue, QuoteAs for abortion itself? Hell, the more the merrier. I knew that there was something I liked about you. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #211 July 31, 2015 grue******Who cares what happens to ANY human tissue after the person dies? God, move on. Cemeteries are a waste of space, cremation is a waste of energy. If we can benefit from the tissue in some way, be it scientific research or feeding sharks, why not do it? Sentimentalism is lame. As for abortion itself? Hell, the more the merrier. Homer: Marge, please, old people don't need companionship. They need to be isolated and studied so it can be determined what nutrients they have that might be extracted for our personal use. The Simpson's - Lady Bouvier's Lover (1994) Once a kid is born or is at a point where it can live with routine maintenance like feeding, I'll tend towards protecting it, but when it's the size of a GI Joe and has no chance of survival outside of the host? No real loss. GI Joe - here's one that doesn't need protecting ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #212 July 31, 2015 DanGA. Late term abortions are generally only legal due to medical necessity, so these abortions are going to happen anyway. B. They are not selling the organs at a profit. C. They are not a for profit organization. D. The money they get from the government does not go towards abortion services. You're outraged at things which aren't real. That would be the very essence of a Reich Wing Conservative. They are extremely good at following the lead of their masters, using deliberate ignorance and "truthiness" to spread their ignorant bullshit lies to the gullible. Hey Marc, are you aware that the word "gullible" is not in the dictionary? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #213 July 31, 2015 >As this is going to get done anyway have a law that states that all should be >donated to proper medical and college research operations I agree. However, there is nothing wrong with paying for the (for example) transport of the tissue to the lab, or paying the tech to prepare it for transport - provided the tissue itself is not being sold. Compare it to donating blood. I donate blood often and have never gotten paid for it. The blood banks then provide it to hospitals, and charge what it costs for the bags/handling/safety protocols/heparin etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #214 August 1, 2015 You mean to tell me you can't ship dead baby parts for free? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #215 August 1, 2015 Only on bulk orders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #216 August 1, 2015 "I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."; Sister Joan Chittister, Benedictine order.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #217 August 1, 2015 kallend"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."; Sister Joan Chittister, Benedictine order. You can point that out as I have numerous times..... but it falls on deaf ears of the GOP drones here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #218 August 1, 2015 There's also the fact that the so-called "pro-life" crowd is often pro-death penalty, pro-war, pro-gun rights, pro-hunting and on and on and on. Only truly "pro-life" in one particular, specific situation. But try to call them "anti-abortion" and they get pretty irritated."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #219 August 1, 2015 On record as PRO CHOICE LIBERTARIAN right here. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #220 August 1, 2015 AnvilbrotherOn record as PRO CHOICE LIBERTARIAN right here. I am pro life too I chose life"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyMarko 1 #221 August 2, 2015 rushmc***On record as PRO CHOICE LIBERTARIAN right here. I am pro life too I chose life I chose to be gay! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #222 August 2, 2015 Choose life.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #223 August 2, 2015 JohnnyMarko******On record as PRO CHOICE LIBERTARIAN right here. I am pro life too I chose life I chose to be gay! Imagine if mom chose differently. If I have to be put in some box, I'd say I am pro innocent murder.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 126 #224 August 2, 2015 pro-life = anti women's rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #225 August 2, 2015 turtlespeed*********On record as PRO CHOICE LIBERTARIAN right here. I am pro life too I chose life I chose to be gay! Imagine if mom chose differently. If I have to be put in some box, I'd say I am pro innocent murder. That was the norm before 1972... The realities of unwanted pregnancies of unwed mothers has changed. Back then it was not readily available and it was certainly not safe. Back Alley coat hanger abortions did happen before 1972 but the mortality rate for women was pretty high.... I guess they deserved death because they were not innocent virgins huh. Ever wonder what the numbers are or have been for the well to do PRO-BIRTH Crowd when their precious baby girl managed to embarrass daddy and mommy with a pregnancy and a solution to that is quickly found so the family is not embarrassed at their church. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
