Planned Parenthood and the term "slippery slope" .

[rushmc 23]

normiss

It most certainly would have had it passed.
That was the entire meaning behind the effort.

Why are facts so difficult for you?

They are for you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 749]

Thanks. I guess I needed the confirmation that I'm wasting my time here.

[rushmc 23]

normiss

Thanks. I guess I needed the confirmation that I'm wasting my time here.

No, what you're doing is verifying that your new sources, that you choose, don't supply you with all the information. And that you don't care

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 749]

The only "source" for the bill.

I'll apologize up front because I fully expect you to not read it or simply not comprehend the meaning of the words in it.

[rushmc 23]

normiss

The only "source" for the bill.

I'll apologize up front because I fully expect you to not read it or simply not comprehend the meaning of the words in it.

That is one of the early bills

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 749]

That is untrue.

[rushmc 23]

normiss

That is untrue.

I am begining to think you waste most of your time......


daily.

Sorry I wasted so much time with you

Will not happen again.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[cvfd1399 0]

normiss

It most certainly would have had it passed.
That was the entire meaning behind the effort.

Why are facts so difficult for you?

You should know the answer yourself. You frequently have trouble with it also.

[gowlerk 2,154]

rushmc

***That is untrue.

I am begining to think you waste most of your time......


daily.

Sorry I wasted so much time with you

Will not happen again.


There is something there. Reading your exchanges is like listening to children saying "I know you are but what am I", "Monkey see monkey do", and then nana nanana.

I think that's what you are aiming for, and some suckers just follow along.

I don't know why anybody much bothers answering you at all. I rarely do.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[rushmc 23]

Thanks

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[turtlespeed 212]

>>>Whoah, guess I hit a nerve.

Those are gross ugly pictures designed to offend.
>>>I'm sure a few were, the vast majority, though, are clinical pictures.

Abortions preformed that look like that are only done for a few reasons. But bloody pictures from earlier abortions can be just as gross. The use of shock pictures to define this issue is offensive to me.
>>>I didn't use the pictures to define the issue in any way. I simply offered you a glimpse into the reality. It sounds like the images offended you.

This misuse of pictures as well as the presumption that women who have abortions will go through life as sufferers offends me.
>>>1) what does one thing have to do with the other?
>>>2) is it presumption when you have literal experience with women that do just that?

The idea that a religious or moral imperative of others should be all that matters here offends me.
>>> You don't have the right to not be offended. Why are you so close minded to think that it is just those two specific variables? There is so much more in this complex issue.
For instance: I have no problem with humane abortions if the mother and the child would die or be irreparably harmed if carried to term and delivered. I look at it like a doctor doing triage. If a doctor has to choose between treating a person 1 that can be saved, or tending to one that MAY be saved, but would likely cause two deaths. A sacrifice should be made. That isn't a moral choice it is logic. Life isn't always fair.

The idea that a woman should be treated as a child and not be allowed her right to privacy and her own decision offends me.
>>> I agree. Could you point out where I have said anything about taking away decision making powers?

I am starting to see a pattern here. You (and others) are interjecting your assumptions on me and stating that, or at least implying that I think a certain way.
Nowhere in this conversation did I say anyone should outlaw abortions.
Nowhere in this conversation did I state we should prevent them from happening.
Nowhere in this conversation did I say to take away the right to choose.
Hell, if anyone wants to go out and legally murder someone, I have no say in the matter.

The fact that some men, and it's always men, can decide to kill people over their feeling about this offends me.
>>> again, you seem to be responding to me as if this is something I am part of. I am not. BUT, it is NOT always men. So far they may be the only ones pulling a trigger, but they are not the only ones that have killed because of a woman getting their child aborted.

And the fact that you consider people not offended by what offends you to be sociopaths offends me as well.
>>>. If you go back and read, I worded it differently, and again, you don't have the right to be not offended.

I have a good understanding of what abortion is without being shown pictures of medical procedures.
>>> Then perhaps what you understand is incorrect, without having all the knowledge there to educate you; or are you beyond the ability to make mistakes?

I am a grown thinking man.
>>> You seem to be intelligent.

I am not offended by abortion and I am neither a sociopath nor devoid of emotion.
>>> without a full work up, I'll have to take your word for it.

You may find that a little challenging to get your head around, but it's true.
>>>. Why would you let yourself degrade this into insults?
You sound like the Neener Neener guy now.
What I don't easily get my head around is how anyone could view abortion and not be offended by any or all of it.

I think you have an ideal of what "abortion" stands for. That ideal likely out weighs, at least for now, the reality of it.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[gowlerk 2,154]

I appreciate your effort. But essentially I was merely responding to your statement that abortion offends you, and that those who are not offended are likely sociopaths, by stating what I find offensive.

No where did I accuse you of doing the things I find offensive. Except for saying that I may be a sociopath, which you clearly did. The reason I'm wondering if you are up to the challenge is that you state in many ways that if I do not see abortion as murder I must not understand what abortion is, or that I am emotionally incapable of seeing it that way.

So let me state clearly, I understand that a fetus, or an embryo, or even a zygote that is inside a woman is a potential human being. Two gametes can also be a potential human being. Despite this, abortion is not murder in my eyes, and I am not a sociopath. My views on this are just a valid as yours are.

A woman who chooses an abortion or against one has a viewpoint that is even more valid than either of ours. Neither of these women are sociopathic or murderers by default.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[tkhayes 324]

gowlerk

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Is this offensive?

Those are gross ugly pictures designed to offend. Abortions preformed that look like that are only done for a few reasons. But bloody pictures from earlier abortions can be just as gross. The use of shock pictures to define this issue is offensive to me.

This misuse of pictures as well as the presumption that women who have abortions will go through life as sufferers offends me. The idea that a religious or moral imperative of others should be all that matters here offends me. The idea that a woman should be treated as a child and not be allowed her right to privacy and her own decision offends me. The fact that some men, and it's always men, can decide to kill people over their feeling about this offends me.

And the fact that you consider people not offended by what offends you to be sociopaths offends me as well. I have a good understanding of what abortion is without being shown pictures of medical procedures. I am a grown thinking man. I am not offended by abortion and I am neither a sociopath nor devoid of emotion. You may find that a little challenging to get your head around, but it's true.

such a great response that I am going to write it down and carry with me.

[tkhayes 324]

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What I don't easily get my head around is how anyone could view abortion and not be offended by any or all of it.

that is actually your problem, not ours. Just because you 'don't get it' does not mean anyone else is doing anything wrong or anything that should be questioned.

Sorry that you 'don't get it'. now stand aside while people participate in their legal and Constitutional rights guaranteed by the Supreme Court.

[rushmc 23]

tkhayes

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What I don't easily get my head around is how anyone could view abortion and not be offended by any or all of it.

that is actually your problem, not ours. Just because you 'don't get it' does not mean anyone else is doing anything wrong or anything that should be questioned.

Sorry that you 'don't get it'. now stand aside while people participate in their legal and Constitutional rights guaranteed by the Supreme Court.

So he must give up his first amendment right to talk about it cause you say so

Fucking got it........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[tkhayes 324]

I never suggested that he should give up his right to talk about it, but from the litany of posts from him, you and others, apparently you would like to go far beyond that and actually ACT on it -

And if his Constitutional right is valid, then so is the Constitutional right for women to seek abortions as needed...

got that?

[turtlespeed 212]

tkhayes

I never suggested that he should give up his right to talk about it, but from the litany of posts from him, you and others, apparently you would like to go far beyond that and actually ACT on it -

And if his Constitutional right is valid, then so is the Constitutional right for women to seek abortions as needed...

got that?

Wow. Aren't you the little bully wanna be authority figure.

Go about your way and don't bother anyone. Got that?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[SkyDekker 1,392]

turtlespeed

***I never suggested that he should give up his right to talk about it, but from the litany of posts from him, you and others, apparently you would like to go far beyond that and actually ACT on it -

And if his Constitutional right is valid, then so is the Constitutional right for women to seek abortions as needed...

got that?

Wow. Aren't you the little bully wanna be authority figure.

Go about your way and don't bother anyone. Got that?

Says the guy who believes people who don't think like him are sociopaths.

[normiss 749]

Banned from Z-hills too?

[turtlespeed 212]

normiss

Banned from Z-hills too?

DILLIGAF?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[normiss 749]

Given the way you dig on TK in here, I'm going with yes, at least a little bit.

[maadmax 0]

Societies and governments can decree and legalize what every they want. That doesn't automatically make it right. Why is so difficult to call abortion what it is , infanticide. Whether it is legal or not is another issue. To say that a embryo is part of a woman's body like some sort of neoplastic growth or that it is not a biologically self contained human life form is blind and purposefully naive.

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[Stumpy 284]

maadmax

Societies and governments can decree and legalize what every they want. That doesn't automatically make it right. Why is so difficult to call abortion what it is , infanticide. Whether it is legal or not is another issue. To say that a embryo is part of a woman's body like some sort of neoplastic growth or that it is not a biologically self contained human life form is blind and purposefully naive.

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Congratulations on an almost entirely fact free post.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[wolfriverjoe 1,495]

maadmax

...Why is so difficult to call abortion what it is , infanticide. Whether it is legal or not is another issue. To say that a embryo is part of a woman's body like some sort of neoplastic growth or that it is not a biologically self contained human life form is blind and purposefully naive.

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It's not called "infanticide" because it isn't. Pure and simple.

A fetus is not an infant. Nor is an embryo.

Those three stages of human development each have separate definitions.

Neither the embryo nor the fetus is "self contained", they are fully dependent on the host (mother) for survival.

Who is being purposefully naive?

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[cvfd1399 0]

wolfriverjoe

***...Why is so difficult to call abortion what it is , infanticide. Whether it is legal or not is another issue. To say that a embryo is part of a woman's body like some sort of neoplastic growth or that it is not a biologically self contained human life form is blind and purposefully naive.

...

It's not called "infanticide" because it isn't. Pure and simple.

A fetus is not an infant. Nor is an embryo.

Those three stages of human development each have separate definitions.

Neither the embryo nor the fetus is "self contained", they are fully dependent on the host (mother) for survival.

Who is being purposefully naive?

If a full term baby is born placed in a crib and not fed it will die. It is fully dependent on someone for half a dozen years......