Planned Parenthood and the term "slippery slope" .

[rushmc 23]

normiss

I know one that had an abortion to deal with family rape by her father.
The abortion is still the least of her demons.
I cannot imagine her not having that choice though, neither could she.

On this we agree

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,371]

One thing to consider is that women who don't have a problem with a past abortion don't usually share the information. For one thing, it's private, for another, it's dealt with. And if they're considerate, they also might not share to avoid distressing/offending/inciting people who think abortion should be illegal.

Those who have ongoing problems are more likely to still be talking about it.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 2,877]

>Conception? That's what most of the anti-abortion crowd claim. In that case,
>leftover embryos from in virto attempts are also 'human' and destroying them
>or using them for research should also be considered "murder."

As could using an IUD.

Or even not taking care of yourself; 50-80% of fertilized eggs fail to implant, often due to the condition of the uterus, which is in turn affected by physical condition. Drinking coffee, obesity and even strenuous exercise (like jogging) can prevent implantation. (Although, to be fair, since the woman might not have been trying to kill the embryo, that would only be manslaughter.)

[turtlespeed 212]

DanG

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So
A conservative household is less loving?
Really?

In general, no.
Of someone they consider a murderer? Probably.

One has to wonder just how happy you would be if the child you wanted was aborted against your wishes.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[DanG 1]

Was there a comment in there, or did you just want to quote that because you agree?

- Dan G

[normiss 749]

I thought it meant he was speechless.

[DanG 1]

I doubt we'll ever be that lucky.

- Dan G

[tkhayes 324]

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One has to wonder just how happy you would be if the child you wanted was aborted against your wishes.

People are killed every day against my wishes. funny, I do not seem to get bent all out of shape and lobby endlessly with a bible in my hand to put a stop to it.

Or threaten people with violence if it does not stop.

Or even walk into some place and start shooting people because it has not stopped.

America is a country of laws, and abortion is legal, and fetal tissue processing, research and donations are also legal. People need to have respect for the fucking laws, how about that? The gun lobby demands it (and gets it mostly), and no anti-gun people picked up a gun, shot a bunch of people because they did not get their way.

[gowlerk 2,155]

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One has to wonder just how happy you would be if the child you wanted was aborted against your wishes.

I would probably be unhappy in that situation. But just because I participated in a conception does not give me the right to demand a woman carry a baby to term.

I long ago realized that I have no right to demand that, or any right to demand that a woman have an abortion either. I do have a right to make my feelings known. And that is where my rights to a woman's body end.

If you find yourself in a such situation perhaps you need to be more careful about where you deposit your sperm.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[turtlespeed 212]

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One has to wonder just how happy you would be if the child you wanted was aborted against your wishes.

I would probably be unhappy in that situation.
>>>>I would hope so.

But just because I participated in a conception does not give me the right to demand a woman carry a baby to term.
>>>>I never said it did.

I long ago realized that I have no right to demand that, or any right to demand that a woman have an abortion either.
>>>>I never said anyone did.

I do have a right to make my feelings known.
>>>>that depends. I can imagine circumstances where you would be penalized for even that in the right jurisdiction.

And that is where my rights to a woman's body end.
>>>> I agree. I'm not even trying to lobby that the law be changed. I simply stated my opinion on the subject. It seems to be at least two other posters here that are continually, figuratively, putting words in my mouth.

If you find yourself in a such situation perhaps you need to be more careful about where you deposit your sperm.
>>>> that would be virtually impossible without another surgery.


So my question is this. Is it not allowed to have an opinion, and talk about that opinion, without being lumped in with some nut cases and over zealous religious fanatics?

Wendy gets it. But then Wendy is Wendy.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[gowlerk 2,155]

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So my question is this. Is it not allowed to have an opinion, and talk about that opinion, without being lumped in with some nut cases and over zealous religious fanatics?

Well.... If you read my statements, all but the last one were about how I would feel, not you. I will admit that the way I phrased the bit about your sperm deposit should have dealt with my sperm deposit instead.

The whole thing was a response to a hypothetical situation that you put out there. I've given that situation some thought over the years.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[turtlespeed 212]

gowlerk

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So my question is this. Is it not allowed to have an opinion, and talk about that opinion, without being lumped in with some nut cases and over zealous religious fanatics?

Well.... If you read my statements, all but the last one were about how I would feel, not you. I will admit that the way I phrased the bit about your sperm deposit should have dealt with my sperm deposit instead.

The whole thing was a response to a hypothetical situation that you put out there. I've given that situation some thought over the years.

What I wrote irt questions were more for two individual posters than directly to you.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[SkyDekker 1,393]

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I agree. I'm not even trying to lobby that the law be changed. I simply stated my opinion on the subject.

I am just trying to figure out when it isn't murder in your opinion. Plan B, is that murder? IUD, is that murder? Obesity is that murder?

When does it go from simply preventing to murder in your opinion?

[turtlespeed 212]

SkyDekker

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I agree. I'm not even trying to lobby that the law be changed. I simply stated my opinion on the subject.

I am just trying to figure out when it isn't murder in your opinion. Plan B, is that murder? IUD, is that murder? Obesity is that murder?

When does it go from simply preventing to murder in your opinion?

If you take the risk, take the responsibility.

Puppies and kittens included.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Coreeece 2]

tkhayes

People are killed every day against my wishes. funny, I do not seem to get bent all out of shape and lobby endlessly with a bible in my hand to put a stop to it.

Just because some lobbyist may be of a particular religion does not mean that abortion is a merely a religious issue - take Turtle for example, he's an atheist IIRC.

Abortion is offensive to humanity.

tkhayes

no anti-gun people picked up a gun, shot a bunch of people because they did not get their way.

I suppose one positive aspect of this statement is that it made it to SC with enough time to qualify for the dumbest post of the year.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[Coreeece 2]

turtlespeed

So my question is this. Is it not allowed to have an opinion, and talk about that opinion, without being lumped in with some nut cases and over zealous religious fanatics?

Well, I suppose if you're gonna lump them in with murderers, it's only fair that they get to lump you into whatever characterization they see fit - tho I'd say that calling them murderers is probably more accurate than calling you an over zealous religious nutcase.

Personally, if someone is gonna call me a nutcase just because I find abortion offensive, then perhaps their mental state is the one that should be called into question.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[gowlerk 2,155]

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Abortion is offensive to humanity.

I beg to differ. It's offensive to a portion of humanity. A larger portion is not offended by it.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[normiss 749]

I'm in full agreement with this statement.

[Coreeece 2]

gowlerk

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Abortion is offensive to humanity.

I beg to differ. It's offensive to a portion of humanity. A larger portion is not offended by it.

You don't find late term abortion offensive? Even many of those who are pro-choice find it offensive, yet we still allow 2000+ a year in this country.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[gowlerk 2,155]

Coreeece

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Abortion is offensive to humanity.

I beg to differ. It's offensive to a portion of humanity. A larger portion is not offended by it.

You don't find late term abortion offensive? Even many of those who are pro-choice find it offensive, yet we still allow 2000+ a year in this country.


Ah yes....The infamous movable goal post. Cheater.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[Coreeece 2]

gowlerk

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Abortion is offensive to humanity.

I beg to differ. It's offensive to a portion of humanity. A larger portion is not offended by it.

You don't find late term abortion offensive? Even many of those who are pro-choice find it offensive, yet we still allow 2000+ a year in this country.


Ah yes....The infamous movable goal post. Cheater.

It's all apart of the discussion. I don't see you throwing a flag when people bring up abortions in cases of incest and rape.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[turtlespeed 212]

gowlerk

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Abortion is offensive to humanity.

I beg to differ. It's offensive to a portion of humanity. A larger portion is not offended by it.

I would think it would be offensive to anyone that is not a sociopath, or otherwise devoid of emotion.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 2,877]

>I would think it would be offensive to anyone that is not a sociopath, or
>otherwise devoid of emotion.

You can certainly think that. You'd be wrong, but you can think that.

[turtlespeed 212]

billvon

>I would think it would be offensive to anyone that is not a sociopath, or
>otherwise devoid of emotion.

You can certainly think that. You'd be wrong, but you can think that.

Why thank you. I am thrilled to have your permission.

How very generous of you.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[normiss 749]

I'm reminded of a parental lesson using the words "can" and "may".
Apparently they have different meanings.