Planned Parenthood and the term "slippery slope" .

[normiss 749]

turtlespeed

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Anyone think it odd that someone who is argues that gun laws won't prevent shootings is also convinced that there should be laws against abortion.

How does one become argues?

By making a typo, now fixed.

(Improper paragraph structure)Ah. I see. I was just curious because of the typo tyrade you went on the other day.

(Sentence fragment)Something about rocks and glass houses and such. . . . . ( over and improper use of ellipses.)


Over and what?

Better check yo self!

[Amazon 7]

Ok Mr Two issue voter...

Try this solution on for size.


"How about we treat every young man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion — mandatory 48-hr waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understands what he's about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, an ultrasound wand up the ass (just because). Let's close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun.
It makes more sense to do this with young men and guns than with women and health care, right? I mean, no woman getting an abortion has killed a room full of people in seconds, right?"

Seen on Facebook and I agree +1,000,000

[Coreeece 2]

Amazon

Ok Mr Two issue voter...

Try this solution on for size.


"How about we treat every young man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion — mandatory 48-hr waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understands what he's about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, an ultrasound wand up the ass (just because). Let's close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun.
It makes more sense to do this with young men and guns than with women and health care, right? I mean, no woman getting an abortion has killed a room full of people in seconds, right?"

You might have a point if the intention of every male gun owner was to kill their own progeny...

Amazon

Seen on Facebook and I agree +1,000,000

Ya, 1 million blockheaded narcissists that probably had an abortion in this past year alone.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[rushmc 23]

Remember
Altering an abortion procedure to save tissue is a felony

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/27/planned-parenthood-doctor-appears-to-admit-to-partial-birth-abortions/?intcmp=hpbt3

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[tonyhays 86]

The article title: "Planned Parenthood doctor appears to admit to partial-birth abortions"

Emphasis mine. Clever wording on Fox's part to avoid charge of libel/slander.

So how are those investigations into PP going so far? Still 0 for 1?

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

[wolfriverjoe 1,495]

tonyhays

...So how are those investigations into PP going so far? Still 0 for 1?

0 for 1?

More like 0 for 15 or 0 for 20.

There have been numerous investigations by a bunch of different states. Not to mention that idiotic circus called the "US House of Representatives."

All of them came up empty.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[tonyhays 86]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/24/growing-list-of-planned-parenthood-investigatio/205116

Right you are.

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

[headoverheels 330]

(not responding to you, just to the thread)

The outright "grants" of tax dollars are a fairly small part of PPH's funding, and aren't used for abortions. The bulk of the tax dollars that PPH receives are Medicaid fees for service, which are also not used for abortions. Those Medicaid users could seek Medicaid services elsewhere, but our taxes will be paying the same thing (except that the clients may not be able to find local services so might spend less). Roughly half of PPH funding comes from donations. There is probably 6x as much in donated funds as the total cost of doing abortions (although some donors may stipulate that their donations are not thusly used), and probably half of the cost of abortions is covered by fee for service. There will be no decrease in abortions by eliminating PPH as a Medicaid provider. In fact, there will likely be more unplanned pregnancies and subsequently more abortions.

[turtlespeed 212]

headoverheels

(not responding to you, just to the thread)

The outright "grants" of tax dollars are a fairly small part of PPH's funding, and aren't used for abortions. The bulk of the tax dollars that PPH receives are Medicaid fees for service, which are also not used for abortions. Those Medicaid users could seek Medicaid services elsewhere, but our taxes will be paying the same thing (except that the clients may not be able to find local services so might spend less). Roughly half of PPH funding comes from donations. There is probably 6x as much in donated funds as the total cost of doing abortions (although some donors may stipulate that their donations are not thusly used), and probably half of the cost of abortions is covered by fee for service. There will be no decrease in abortions by eliminating PPH as a Medicaid provider. In fact, there will likely be more unplanned pregnancies and subsequently more abortions.

Right, and then you can look at it like this . . . You make your salary, then by dumb luck, you hit a scratch off ticket that pays you 500 per month, the only stipulation is that you cannot use it for skydiving. But it all goes into your checking account . . . How do you separate it?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 2,874]

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Right, and then you can look at it like this . . . You make your salary, then by dumb luck, you hit a scratch off ticket that pays you 500 per month, the only stipulation is that you cannot use it for skydiving. But it all goes into your checking account . . . How do you separate it?

Simple. You take that same account and split it into two. (Most banks let you do this.) You get a debit card against the non-skydiving account and deposit all the money there. You use the debit card for non-skydiving expenses. If anyone asks, you have all the receipts and can prove you didn't use it for skydiving.

Anyone who runs a small business can show you how to do this.

[DanG 1]

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Right, and then you can look at it like this . . . You make your salary, then by dumb luck, you hit a scratch off ticket that pays you 500 per month, the only stipulation is that you cannot use it for skydiving. But it all goes into your checking account . . . How do you separate it?

You have two separate accounts.

Do you think large organizations like PP only have a single checking account? Do you understand that corporate accounting is a highly regulated and (especially in the case of PP) highly audited practice?

- Dan G

[Amazon 7]

DanG

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Right, and then you can look at it like this . . . You make your salary, then by dumb luck, you hit a scratch off ticket that pays you 500 per month, the only stipulation is that you cannot use it for skydiving. But it all goes into your checking account . . . How do you separate it?

You have two separate accounts.

Do you think large organizations like PP only have a single checking account? Do you understand that corporate accounting is a highly regulated and (especially in the case of PP) highly audited practice?

Well that hair shirt won't fit the Strawman.. so I doubt if that was even considered.

[turtlespeed 212]

Amazon

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Right, and then you can look at it like this . . . You make your salary, then by dumb luck, you hit a scratch off ticket that pays you 500 per month, the only stipulation is that you cannot use it for skydiving. But it all goes into your checking account . . . How do you separate it?

You have two separate accounts.

Do you think large organizations like PP only have a single checking account? Do you understand that corporate accounting is a highly regulated and (especially in the case of PP) highly audited practice?

Well that hair shirt won't fit the Strawman.. so I doubt if that was even considered.considered, but not really trusted. Do you trust corporations to not do creative accounting?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Amazon 7]

turtlespeed

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Right, and then you can look at it like this . . . You make your salary, then by dumb luck, you hit a scratch off ticket that pays you 500 per month, the only stipulation is that you cannot use it for skydiving. But it all goes into your checking account . . . How do you separate it?

You have two separate accounts.

Do you think large organizations like PP only have a single checking account? Do you understand that corporate accounting is a highly regulated and (especially in the case of PP) highly audited practice?

Well that hair shirt won't fit the Strawman.. so I doubt if that was even considered.considered, but not really trusted. Do you trust corporations to not do creative accounting?

In this case... with as much hatred from the right wing of compassionate conservatives inspecting every orifice of everyone who works there has... I bet they are squeaky clean in their accounting.

[headoverheels 330]

turtlespeed

Right, and then you can look at it like this . . . You make your salary, then by dumb luck, you hit a scratch off ticket that pays you 500 per month, the only stipulation is that you cannot use it for skydiving. But it all goes into your checking account . . . How do you separate it?

The point is, PPH gets much more from donations, and much more from individual (not Medicaid) fee for service, than it spends on abortions. The number of abortions at PPH will not decrease if all grants and Medicaid are eliminated.

[tkhayes 324]

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considered, but not really trusted. Do you trust corporations to not do creative accounting?

Do you trust auditors to do their jobs correctly? Do you think that somehow a bunch of rabid abortion seeking angry women bent on selling baby parts for profit can hide all that from skilled independent CPA++ Auditors?
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/9813/9620/1188/FINAL_PPFA_FY13_audited_FS.pdf

end of sarcasm. You are truly obtuse to how things really work.

"There is a crime" (there is no evidence to support it through dozens of investigations)

"Then there here is a conspiracy." (there is no evidence to support that either)

"Then they must be spending the money anyway." (There are regular audits, also required by law, done by independent accounting agencies)

"Well they MUST be doing something wrong for the simple fact that this is what I BELIEVE....."

good luck with that, but most people are tired of listening to the ranting bullshit. And certainly not interested in seeing my tax dollars spent on it. If there was evidence, you would have found it by now. There is none found because there is none.

get over it already

[turtlespeed 212]

tkhayes

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considered, but not really trusted. Do you trust corporations to not do creative accounting?

Do you trust auditors to do their jobs correctly? Do you think that somehow a bunch of rabid abortion seeking angry women bent on selling baby parts for profit can hide all that from skilled independent CPA++ Auditors?
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/9813/9620/1188/FINAL_PPFA_FY13_audited_FS.pdf

end of sarcasm. You are truly obtuse to how things really work.

"There is a crime" (there is no evidence to support it through dozens of investigations)

"Then there here is a conspiracy." (there is no evidence to support that either)

"Then they must be spending the money anyway." (There are regular audits, also required by law, done by independent accounting agencies)

"Well they MUST be doing something wrong for the simple fact that this is what I BELIEVE....."

good luck with that, but most people are tired of listening to the ranting bullshit. And certainly not interested in seeing my tax dollars spent on it. If there was evidence, you would have found it by now. There is none found because there is none.

get over it already

Ho Lee FUCK - you reach for assumptions.
Do you even question ANYTHING that fits your view of the world?

Way to put that critical thinking foot forward first.

You don't dissapoint me in your response, though. Typical.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[normiss 749]

I wish we had the deer in the headlights blinking eye emoticon.
Wow.

He's actually entirely correct.

[kallend 1,920]

normiss

I wish we had the deer in the headlights blinking eye emoticon.
Wow.

He's actually entirely correct.

It's the same mindset that results in having Benghazi investigations over and over and over again. There MUST be some wrongdoing, because our biases require there to be some wrongdoing.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 2,874]

So you know how you've tried to make this as emotional as possible, with constant references to "baby parts?"

"Fact is PP is altering abortions to provide baby parts to sell"
"Changing the procedure to get baby parts (so you can sell them) is a felony"
"So selling baby parts is ok with you Ahhhhhh Ok"
"Are they [the US military] selling baby parts?"
"Fact is PP is altering abortions to provide baby parts to sell"
"Enforce the federal law against making profit selling baby parts and No federal tax dollars for Planned Parenthood"

Well, finally someone agrees with you. Congratulations on getting your meme out there.

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Official Says Gunman Made 'No More Baby Parts' Comment

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
NOV. 28, 2015, 9:06 P.M. E.S.T.

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — The man who police say staged a deadly shooting attack on a Planned Parenthood clinic that offers abortion services said "no more baby parts" after his arrest, a law enforcement official said Saturday.
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[kallend 1,920]

billvon

So you know how you've tried to make this as emotional as possible, with constant references to "baby parts?"

"Fact is PP is altering abortions to provide baby parts to sell"
"Changing the procedure to get baby parts (so you can sell them) is a felony"
"So selling baby parts is ok with you Ahhhhhh Ok"
"Are they [the US military] selling baby parts?"
"Fact is PP is altering abortions to provide baby parts to sell"
"Enforce the federal law against making profit selling baby parts and No federal tax dollars for Planned Parenthood"

Well, finally someone agrees with you. Congratulations on getting your meme out there.

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Official Says Gunman Made 'No More Baby Parts' Comment

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
NOV. 28, 2015, 9:06 P.M. E.S.T.

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — The man who police say staged a deadly shooting attack on a Planned Parenthood clinic that offers abortion services said "no more baby parts" after his arrest, a law enforcement official said Saturday.
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Does this make Marc an accessory before the fact?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

So you know how you've tried to make this as emotional as possible, with constant references to "baby parts?"

"Fact is PP is altering abortions to provide baby parts to sell"
"Changing the procedure to get baby parts (so you can sell them) is a felony"
"So selling baby parts is ok with you Ahhhhhh Ok"
"Are they [the US military] selling baby parts?"
"Fact is PP is altering abortions to provide baby parts to sell"
"Enforce the federal law against making profit selling baby parts and No federal tax dollars for Planned Parenthood"

Well, finally someone agrees with you. Congratulations on getting your meme out there.

=====
Official Says Gunman Made 'No More Baby Parts' Comment

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
NOV. 28, 2015, 9:06 P.M. E.S.T.

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — The man who police say staged a deadly shooting attack on a Planned Parenthood clinic that offers abortion services said "no more baby parts" after his arrest, a law enforcement official said Saturday.
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No sir
Congratulations to you

For jumping the shark

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[headoverheels 330]

kallend

Does this make Marc an accessory before the fact?

I don't think Dear reads DZ.

[billvon 2,874]

>Does this make Marc an accessory before the fact?

No. I figure he will just stop using the term "baby parts" - but beyond that not acknowledge the issue at all. It would cause him to think uncomfortable things about the sources he copies.

[normiss 749]

Somehow it must be Obama's fault.