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Planned Parenthood and the term "slippery slope" .

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***"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."; Sister Joan Chittister, Benedictine order.



Now that's pretty low...stealing a straw man from a little old nun.

I have it on good authority that he knocked her down and stole her rosary, too.

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Now that's pretty low...stealing a straw man from a little old nun.



I have it on good authority that he knocked her down and stole her rosary, too.

As long as he didn't knock her up...

As if that has never happened when immaculate conception has occurred at convents all over the world.

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PP is truly a non-profit doing good work.



with the passage of the ACA it seems that planned-parenthood is redundant. why is the American tax payer continuing to fund it?

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Some of their patients decide to donate tissue to researchers, and when they do PP charges a handling fee in the $150 dollar range. There is nothing wrong with that. It's a wonderful selfless thing that good people are doing to help other good people.



aborting your child is a purely selfish solution to an uncomfortable predicament. there is NOTHING selfless about it. but please carry on...

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PP is truly a non-profit doing good work.



with the passage of the ACA it seems that planned-parenthood is redundant. why is the American tax payer continuing to fund it?

***Some of their patients decide to donate tissue to researchers, and when they do PP charges a handling fee in the $150 dollar range. There is nothing wrong with that. It's a wonderful selfless thing that good people are doing to help other good people.



aborting your child is a purely selfish solution to an uncomfortable predicament. there is NOTHING selfless about it. but please carry on...

Well that is a false dichotomy in which you believe in a false simplistic solution that actually has as many reasons as the women deciding on having one...:S:S

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>aborting your child is a purely selfish solution to an uncomfortable predicament.

And people who drive big trucks are just compensating for a lack of something.
And people who are gay are doing it just to shove something in your face.
And skydivers jump because they love the thrill of getting as low as possible before pulling.

(I'm sure we can come up with some other equally valid blanket statements.)

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tkhayes

O promote abortions.....in fact i think in some cases it should be retroactive.



And the tolerance of the left shows it ugly head yet again
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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rushmc

***O promote abortions.....in fact i think in some cases it should be retroactive.



And the tolerance of the left shows it ugly head yet again

You PRO BIRTH types are not PRO LIFE....... you support war... and all the other goodies that the GOP loves and supports.

YOU personally support denial of climate change which is a major factor in killing more and more people every year because more heat has been placed into the atmosphere and ocean and the results of that are GLOBAL and the storms generated... well the energy has to go somewhere( Its a physics thing)....... YOU support air pollution that kills thousands of your fellow Americans... for your own personal profit... as well as OBSCENE profits for your masters... so what are a few thousand lives of those downwind of your coal fired generation stations.

So what does that say about you in the ULTRA right wing of the GOP that is trying to silence anyone not in lockstep with your beliefs and actions.

I think those with this affliction are on the fast track ... a slippery slope to HELL.

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And the GOP candidates have come out strongly against the use of fetal tissue for research. Ben Carson in particular - and he's a doctor, so his opinion might be expected to be more informed than most.

In a July interview on Fox News, after the first videos broke, Carson said that there was “nothing that can’t be done without fetal tissue" and that babies aborted at 17 weeks were clearly human beings. - WaPo, Aug 13

Carson wondered why some on the left have been so vocal about protecting species like "snail darters and little spiders," but are not interested in protecting an unborn baby."Yet the human being inside of that mother's womb, just beyond 10 weeks, is much more sophisticated than many of these creatures that they're trying to preserve," said Carson.
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Carson expressed disbelief that some do not consider a 17-week-old fetus as a human life. "At 17 weeks, you've got a nice little nose and little fingers and hands and the heart's beating. It can respond to environmental stimulus. How can you believe that that's just an irrelevant mass of cells? That's what they want you to believe, when in fact it is a human being," said Carson. . . Carson said he believes the video is an indication of "how far we have drifted in terms of our humanity."
- Fox News, Jul 16

So that's pretty clear. Carson thinks it's abomination to abort fetuses and to use them for medical research. There are other ways to do that research, he explains, and a 17 week old should be treated like a human being, with little noses and little fingers and little hearts. We've lost our humanity using such humans for medical experiments.

Aaannd then, with all the certainty of a homophobic GOP senator being found with a 17 year old boy in a seedy hotel room, look what turns up:

. . . a 1992 paper, co-authored by Carson, in which doctors described how they applied "human choroid plexus ependyma and nasal mucosa from two fetuses aborted in the ninth and 17th week of gestation."


http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/07/16/ben-carson-talks-planned-parenthood-video-kelly-file

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/13/ben-carson-no-apologies-for-1992-fetal-tissue-research/

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>As this is going to get done anyway have a law that states that all should be
>donated to proper medical and college research operations

I agree. However, there is nothing wrong with paying for the (for example) transport of the tissue to the lab, or paying the tech to prepare it for transport - provided the tissue itself is not being sold.

Compare it to donating blood. I donate blood often and have never gotten paid for it. The blood banks then provide it to hospitals, and charge what it costs for the bags/handling/safety protocols/heparin etc.



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Plaintiff does not persuade the Court that the discovery it seeks is necessary to obtain the preliminary injunction. That is because it appears unlikely that the Court is going to grant the preliminary injunction. The injunction Plaintiff seeks would prevent Defendants from disseminating the videotapes. First, this proposed injunction would constitute a prior restraint on the Defendants’ rights under the First Amendment and the parallel protections under the California Constitution.

CMP has been represented by Alliance Defending Freedom allied attorneys. Regarding the court’s decision, Freedom of Conscience Defense Fund president Chuck LiMandri said in a statement:


People who don’t have anything to hide don’t go to court to stop journalists from reporting the truth. The court was right to deny StemExpress’ request to gain access to damaging material against them obtained through solid investigative journalism. Americans have the right to know the truth about Planned Parenthood’s sale of baby body parts and the ‘fiscal rewards’ Stem Express says that it provides to abortion clinics.







http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/13/court-bars-stemexpress-from-access-to-journalistic-materials-used-to-expose-planned-parenthoods-sale-of-aborted-baby-parts/
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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billvon

>As this is going to get done anyway have a law that states that all should be
>donated to proper medical and college research operations

I agree. However, there is nothing wrong with paying for the (for example) transport of the tissue to the lab, or paying the tech to prepare it for transport - provided the tissue itself is not being sold.

Compare it to donating blood. I donate blood often and have never gotten paid for it. The blood banks then provide it to hospitals, and charge what it costs for the bags/handling/safety protocols/heparin etc.



NOT

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/vox-about-those-heavily-edited-planned-parenthood-videos
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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billvon

Other top stories on the page you linked:

Obama is a traitor, it's a no-brainer
Obama's nuclear disaster
Progressivism: Empire of lies

I can see why you like it!



Another no content post Bill. Congrats

BTW. Since you didnt read it. They were guoting Vox. And they are soooooooo right wing:D
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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>BTW. Since you didnt read it. They were guoting Vox.

Very selectively! Let's see what else VOX said:

"The videos are sting videos that are designed to smear Planned Parenthood. The unedited footage shows the fake buyers actively attempting to make the discussions look worse for the hapless Planned Parenthood staffers. They are the ones, for instance, who suggest that Nucatola order wine with her meal."

"The Center for Medical Progress argues that these videos show the organization was selling fetal tissue for profit — which is, to be clear, a crime. But abortion clinics are allowed to receive compensation for any time spent procuring fetal tissue — for example, the extra time a staff member has to spend getting consent to donate or the work a lab technician does identifying specific types of tissue. Planned Parenthood says this is all the videos show, and for the most part they're right. It's routinely the fake buyers, not Planned Parenthood, who move the discussion toward money."

I wonder why they left that part out?

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>And the parts you left out?

Sorry, here are a few more:

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Rather, they talk about it as a service they can provide to researchers and patients — something that patients want to participate in and that they want to facilitate, provided it does not lose their clinic any money. . .

This was especially true for a three-hour lunch with Nucatola. She makes this point repeatedly during the lunch. Here are a few examples:

"This is not a new revenue stream the affiliates are looking at. This is a way to offer the patient the service that they want. Do good for the medical community."

"Our goal, like I said, is to give patients the option without impacting our bottom line. The messaging is this should not be seen as a new revenue stream, because that's not what it is."

"Affiliates are not looking to make money by doing this. They're looking to serve their patients and just make it not impact their bottom line."
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So much for the "profit" motive.

Thanks for posting the link!

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billvon

>And the parts you left out?

Sorry, here are a few more:

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Rather, they talk about it as a service they can provide to researchers and patients — something that patients want to participate in and that they want to facilitate, provided it does not lose their clinic any money. . .

This was especially true for a three-hour lunch with Nucatola. She makes this point repeatedly during the lunch. Here are a few examples:

"This is not a new revenue stream the affiliates are looking at. This is a way to offer the patient the service that they want. Do good for the medical community."

"Our goal, like I said, is to give patients the option without impacting our bottom line. The messaging is this should not be seen as a new revenue stream, because that's not what it is."

"Affiliates are not looking to make money by doing this. They're looking to serve their patients and just make it not impact their bottom line."
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So much for the "profit" motive.

Thanks for posting the link!



And the rest?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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>And the rest?

Sure. Here's a good point to emphasize that comes from the article you linked, how the negotiations, which critics claim prove that Planned Parenthood are trying to milk money from research organizations, are actually following Federal law:

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Melissa Farrell, who directs research at Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast in Texas, gets incredibly specific in identifying the exact costs of fetal tissue procurement. One of the added costs of fetal tissue procurement is that a lab technician has to identify and isolate the particular type of tissue that a researcher wants. Typically an abortion clinic wouldn't do that — so Farrell suggests figuring out reimbursement for that particular step.

"I need to know everything that's involved, have it in writing so that I can sit down with the parties involved actually doing the work, so I can say, 'Okay, guys, let's work this out now.' We even will go as far as to have timed trials where we go up there with a stopwatch and time how much, so we can at least know what our cost is."

This gets to something key in the videos. Planned Parenthood may be one organization, but it's not one person. Some of the organization's staffers come off better than others. There's someone like Farrell, who wants to get into the exact nitty-gritty of how much fetal tissue procurement will cost and use that to set a reimbursement fee. That approach hews closely to the intent of federal law.
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And the New England Journal of Medicine (that hotbed of liberal politics) has published a few articles recently that show what the reality of Planned Parenthood's policies and activities are.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/15/1412371/-New-England-Journal-Of-Medicine-Will-Spin-GOP-Anti-Choice-Heads-And-Expose-The-Truth-About-PP#
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