Guest #226 April 7, 2015 DanGQuoteWell put, but is only tertiary to the subject, which is individual rights. An individual's rights end when they infringe on another person's rights. As a public business, and owner does not have the right to refuse service to a class of people. Doing so infringes on their rights. If the baker/pizza guy/photographer doesn't want to interact with the public (all of the public) as a public business, they he doesn't have to. Once they open their doors to the public, they have to treat everyone equally. Even under threat of death? That's what these conscientious objectors to the Culture Wars are being subjected to by the intolerant. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #227 April 7, 2015 markharju***QuoteWell put, but is only tertiary to the subject, which is individual rights. An individual's rights end when they infringe on another person's rights. As a public business, and owner does not have the right to refuse service to a class of people. Doing so infringes on their rights. If the baker/pizza guy/photographer doesn't want to interact with the public (all of the public) as a public business, they he doesn't have to. Once they open their doors to the public, they have to treat everyone equally. Even under threat of death? That's what these conscientious objectors to the Culture Wars are being subjected to by the intolerant. mh . Yet somehow I have this feeling that you aren't as upset by the death threats made to a private business owner in this case: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/02/maryland-smart-gun_n_5255104.html Should I set up a gofundme.com site so you can show your outrage? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #228 April 7, 2015 Quote Yet somehow I have this feeling that you aren't as upset by the death threats made to a private business owner in this case: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/02/maryland-smart-gun_n_5255104.html Should I set up a gofundme.com site so you can show your outrage? Then you would be wrong. An outrageous act by moral cowards, I would call that, to threaten someone in such a fashion. I hope you agree. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #229 April 7, 2015 Andy9o8QuoteSorry the pizzaria is a private business Sorry back atcha. Google "Negroes at lunch counters" and study the hits. Dont need to I know what will come up I view race issues (especially when viewed under the history of this country) differently than anything else but, classifying as many special interest groups the same as race keeps those in your line of work rich"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #230 April 7, 2015 markharjuQuote Yet somehow I have this feeling that you aren't as upset by the death threats made to a private business owner in this case: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/02/maryland-smart-gun_n_5255104.html Should I set up a gofundme.com site so you can show your outrage? Then you would be wrong. An outrageous act by moral cowards, I would call that, to threaten someone in such a fashion. I hope you agree. mh . I think that sending death threats is indeed abysmal and a coward's act. I don't agree with you this has to do with individual rights. You go in business, you have to accept the rules surrounding business. IMHO, refusing to cater a gay wedding is retarded. Sending the pizzeria death threats because they have stated they would decline to cater a gay wedding is retarded to. Quite frankly, the fact a law would be required to force people to not discriminate against people is retarded. But then there are a lot of retarded people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Driver1 0 #231 April 7, 2015 JohnnyMarko ***I'm still wondering where the faggy pizza wedding is. Sorry, I put too much glitter in your first invite and didn't put enough postage on...Resent it sans glitter, should get to you by Friday. There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #232 April 7, 2015 You know they also made that choice. Who would anyone choose to be a negro with all the discrimination and hatred? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #233 April 7, 2015 Well? Two stories Are they different? http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25865871/civil-rights-commission-says-lakewood-baker-discriminated-against http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/01/22/this-colorado-baker-refused-to-put-an-anti-gay-message-on-cakes-now-she-is-facing-a-civil-rights-complaint/ related to the second story http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/04/03/state-finds-no-discrimination-after-shop-refuses-anti-gay-cake/25268515/"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #234 April 7, 2015 Holy shit dude, I'm at work. I only check here every now and again. Gimme time to read the stories. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #235 April 7, 2015 Yes, they are different. The difference has been explained repeatedly, and this is the last time I'm going to bother. The first baker refused service to a person because of who he was: a gay man. The second service refused service to a person because of the type of service he wanted: offensive language. If the gay man from the first story came in and asked for a big throbbing penis cake, the owner could have refused based on the fact that they don't do sexual cakes. Similarly, if the baker from the second story had refused to make Bible cakes because the customer was a Christian, then they would be wrong. In reality, she clearly stated she had no problem serving a Christian, or making Bible themed cakes, but she rightly could refuse to put offensive words on those cakes. If you don't get the difference, I can't help you. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #236 April 7, 2015 Figures The so called offensive language was bible versus At least I know where you stand"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #237 April 7, 2015 Damn. I didn't even have time to get the popcorn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #238 April 7, 2015 normiss Damn. I didn't even have time to get the popcorn. I know I know You two row the same boatNOT!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #239 April 7, 2015 QuoteThe so called offensive language was bible versus Hmm, I can't remember reading "God hates gays", or seeing a picture of two men holding hands with a red X through it in the Bible. You must have read a different version than I did. QuoteAt least I know where you stand No, you clearly don't, but I'm sick of explaining it. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #240 April 7, 2015 I believe Dan and I have rarely, VERY rarely, ended up in the "same boat" as you say. I do agree with him (and a LOT of people) regarding equal treatment for ALL. Not special treatment for SOME. You will never understand the difference. Peace out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #241 April 7, 2015 DanG No, you clearly don't, but I'm sick of explaining it. You should be......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #242 April 7, 2015 Admitting the problem is the first step, congrats! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #243 April 7, 2015 rushmcThe so called offensive language was bible versus Bible versus Rigveda, fight to the death? The bible's got some offensive shit in it. Deal with it.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #244 April 7, 2015 DanGYes, they are different. The difference has been explained repeatedly, and this is the last time I'm going to bother. The first baker refused service to a person because of who he was: a gay man. The second service refused service to a person because of the type of service he wanted: offensive language. If the gay man from the first story came in and asked for a big throbbing penis cake, the owner could have refused based on the fact that they don't do sexual cakes. Similarly, if the baker from the second story had refused to make Bible cakes because the customer was a Christian, then they would be wrong. In reality, she clearly stated she had no problem serving a Christian, or making Bible themed cakes, but she rightly could refuse to put offensive words on those cakes. If you don't get the difference, I can't help you. DanG is correct. There is a subtle but crucial difference. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #245 April 7, 2015 jakee***The so called offensive language was bible versus Bible versus Rigveda, fight to the death? I was thinking God-zilla.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhathaway 0 #246 April 10, 2015 I believe in equal treatment for all when it comes to gay marriage. There is NO WAY heterosexual people should be allowed to get married! My O.C.D. has me chasing a dream my A.D.D. won't let me catch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #247 April 10, 2015 tonyhathaway I believe in equal treatment for all when it comes to gay marriage. There is NO WAY heterosexual people should be allowed to get married! I prefer to think of it as: There's no way gay people should be allowed to escape divorce. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
