Atheist kills Muslim family because of his beliefs, Location, Or maybe he is just a crazy person??

[DanG 1]

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On the other hand, if this guy was was an avowed Conservative member of the Tea Party, the usual suspects would be howling 24/7 over this one.

Would they? Can you give me an example of this from another shooting?

- Dan G

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Brian Ross (ABC News) incorrectly tied the alleged Colorado shooter to the Tea Party.

The tragedy of the Tuscon, Arizona shooting in which there were fatalities and Congresswoman Gabby Giffords was severely wounded was initially tied to Conservatives; subsequently to Tea Party "antics."

This is fairly recent history but how soon forgotten.

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"This incident had nothing to do with religion or victims’ faith but instead had to do with the longstanding parking disputes that my husband had with the neighbors," she said, choking back tears. "He often champions on his Facebook page for the rights of many individuals. Same sex marriages, abortion, race, he just believes that everyone is equal. Doesn’t matter what you look like or who you are or what you believe."

She said she didn't know what drove Hicks to allegedly shoot three people, but her lawyers said that the suspect didn't single out the victims and had problems with other neighbors in the past.

Yep. Definitely sounds like a hate crime to me.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[DanG 1]

So they initially reported it, were wrong, and dropped it.

Very convincing.

- Dan G

[Bolas 5]

Darius11

Yea i get what Andy is saying bro, he is on point.

My point is if it was reversed "Muslim kills family of atheist" and if at anytime he had stated he hated none believers and infidels(even on myspace) this would be a different story to many and they would react in a much different manner.


Whoever thinks this is just an asshole is right.
I will stand by my point, if the names were reversed this thread would have a lot more people having there usual circle jerks of hate and racism.

Blue person kills purple person. Blue person belongs to a group that believes and has a book stating anyone not blue can be killed without consequence or should just die. Blue person announced publicly prior to incident that he hates purple people.

Police respond to a call where an individual slept with somebody else's partner and was shot and killed. The shooter was blue and the victim purple.

They could very easily be the same incident but the group association and history of hatred and violence in that group does give motive before all the facts are known.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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Boomerdog

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I think he was just an angry white male gun owner who couldn't control his anger over a parking dispute.

Yea...could be that simple; kind of a "Occam's Razor thing if you know what I mean.

But he's also a self described "Progressive." I guess we won't hear too much about him from CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC. FOX will probably have something on this but like the rest of them, will probably get most of the story wrong.

On the other hand, if this guy was was an avowed Conservative member of the Tea Party, the usual suspects would be howling 24/7 over this one.

Nice rant based on total absence of evidence.

All the evidence suggests he was a guy with an anger management problem who was pissed over a parking space.

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[Boomerdog 0]

The level of intensity i.e. going viral is well documented BEFORE they dropped the story and the damage was still done. A man with the same name as the accused had his reputation dragged through the media because he was a Conservative and a member of the Tea Party. Whether he recovered his reputation after the Colorado Theatre shooting, I don't know.

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"He often champions on his Facebook page for the rights of many individuals. Same sex marriages, abortion, race, he just believes that everyone is equal. Doesn’t matter what you look like or who you are or what you believe."

I dare say that being a champion of the "right, trendy, popular,politically correct, whatever, things does not constitute a legitimate defense.

By it's VERY nature, murder...ANY murder is a hate crime for it incorporates some factor of malice. The lifestyle, race, political leanings of the victim are irrelevant even absent of current law.

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Boomerdog

Brian Ross (ABC News) incorrectly tied the alleged Colorado shooter to the Tea Party.

The tragedy of the Tuscon, Arizona shooting in which there were fatalities and Congresswoman Gabby Giffords was severely wounded was initially tied to Conservatives; subsequently to Tea Party "antics."

This is fairly recent history but how soon forgotten.

Seriously!? The only examples you could come up with were two examples of crazy Lefties who were falsely, or by insinuation, tied to Tea Party Conservatives? There's your hate crime.

The only one I can think of off hand is the Norwegian case. The Lefties had a field day with that one, even though he was a "right-winger" in the European "national socialist" sense.

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Boomerdog

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"He often champions on his Facebook page for the rights of many individuals. Same sex marriages, abortion, race, he just believes that everyone is equal. Doesn’t matter what you look like or who you are or what you believe."

I dare say that being a champion of the "right, trendy, popular,politically correct, whatever, things does not constitute a legitimate defense.

By it's VERY nature, murder...ANY murder is a hate crime for it incorporates some factor of malice. The lifestyle, race, political leanings of the victim are irrelevant even absent of current law.

I agree that there should not be a differentiation in statute of a crime based on solely the motive of prejudice and calling a crime a hate crime is somewhat misleading as while the term is broad, the focus is narrow.

From reading the article, he believed all were equal and hated all equally.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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Seriously!? The only examples you could come up with were two examples of crazy Lefties who were falsely, or by insinuation, tied to Tea Party Conservatives?

Ya want more?

So many hours in a day amigo!

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kallend

1. He claimed to be "anti-theist", not atheist.

2. Atheism is not a belief system. It is the absence of a belief system.

What the hell are you talking about?

Atheism is the absence of belief in a deity...and most atheists I've encountered have an anit-theist temperament...especially those on this site.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[RMK 3]

Aside from his religious/political leanings; the first problem is an advanced (using the term loosely) society that is permissible with it's populace running around with loaded sidearms. In most other countries, this would have ended in a fight at best.

There seems to be an exaggerated focus on terrorism; when your real danger is an armed family member/relation or an agitated "Backwoods Billy Bob" such as this case

"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes"

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kallend

***http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/11/chapel-hill-murders_n_6660080.html

Atheist kills Muslim family because of his beliefs, or maybe its because he is from Chapel Hill.

Sad story, my view we have crazy people everywhere, but This is SC and by some logic it must be because this kid was white, Lacked faith or its because he is from Chapel hill.

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as word circulated that Hicks described himself as an "anti-theist" and criticized religions online, according to The Independent. That revelation, as well as a lack of media attention to the shooting Tuesday night, reportedly led to a "#MuslimLivesMatte

Or it could just be a righteous gun owner involved in a parking dispute:

“Our preliminary investigation indicates that the crime was motivated by an ongoing neighbor dispute over parking,” the police said in a statement.

Another shooting by an angry white male with a gun.
www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/las-vegas-mom-dies-after-road-rage-shooting-n306566

Maybe someone will dig up a pretext for this being a hate crime too.

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[RMK 3]

I find this surprising that we see yet another "crazy white guy" shooting in such a short space of time. Similarly to the toddler shooting thread and then seeing similar has happened mulptiple times since the thread was started.

Following the wisdom and posts of RushMC, I thought this senseless shooting stuff was really confined to inner-city street thugs.

"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes"

[champu 1]

"Newsworthy" and "statistically significant" are often mutually exclusive. If you're reading about something in the news it's probably unusual. Reading about two or three or four such things doesn't change that. You are a member of the Information Age with instant access to every unusual event that happens across a planet of billions of people, what do you expect?

Firearms accidents, like skydiving accidents, are almost all preventable. And, as I've said before, people aren't really inventing new ways to get killed. In both cases I support measures to improve education and to try and promote safer behavior. I believe in doing so without the tired pissant moaning and whining about the very existence of firearms and cross-braced canopies or peoples' desire to own them.

In the case of these two rage killings I think there was simply too much premeditation to take a "but for gun ownership" view of the situation. That said, while the Nevada person we don't know much about, it's possible something could have been done about the NC guy before he blew up.

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champu

"Newsworthy" and "statistically significant" are often mutually exclusive. If you're reading about something in the news it's probably unusual.

Right. The 30 or so firearms homicides every day in the USA are so usual that we don't get to read about them.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[RMK 3]

I've lived in the US; I've also owned guns. I see the intelligence level and ability to react to stressful situations of the average person on the street - no it is not better for society if they are all "packing".

On the toddler shooting for example, in the UK I am not aware of a single example of a child of 5yrs or under shooting/killing someone in my lifetime (I'm 48 and the UK population is 60 million; you calc the stats).

This NC shooting technically could have been prevented; but not under the present setup/environment in the US.

I'm far from a pacifist. I train in full-contact martial arts 3 times a week - I would take someone "out" if they threatened my family or self.

However, this notion of everyone whipping out their gun the second they feel scared/disgruntled is asinine.

"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes"

[champu 1]

Unfortunately the usual gun control measures paraded out only target the unusual (and sometimes completely imaginary) events and its only very rarely you see a measure that, even if only on its face, stands to make a dent in your 30/day figure.

Wanting an "honest and open discussion" about gun violence is incompatible with ensuring as many legislative pipelines as possible are crammed full of bullshit that won't help each and every year.