RonD1120 59 #1 February 9, 2015 For those of you who believe the Crusades were as evil as the current move of the Daesh read the following. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/398126/jihadis-14-crusaders-2-ralph-petersLook for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #2 February 9, 2015 RonD1120For those of you who believe the Crusades were as evil as the current move of the Daesh read the following. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/398126/jihadis-14-crusaders-2-ralph-peters this info will shock many people Most of whom will ignore it....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ibx 2 #3 February 9, 2015 Quote"Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ," Obama said Wednesday. "And in our home country, slavery, and Jim Crow, all too often was justified in the name of Christ." Which part is that is not true? Quote “well-educated” creatures of Washington accept the Arab fantasy that the cultural incompetence, practical indolence, and spiritual decay of the entire Middle East stems from Richard Coeur de Lion’s twelfth-century swordplay. I would say a citation is in order. The author tells people to read books on the subject, I would recommend he listens to what is said before commenting. I don't think think the author would understand any book he read since he cannot even correctly interpret a single simple quote... The whole discussion is along the lines of "my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend". Unspeakable things have been done in the name of both religions... Arguing about it is petty and for the simple minded as this author proves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 300 #4 February 9, 2015 no one made the claim that they were 'more evil', 'less evil, 'as evil' - whatever. What was stated was that there have been atrocities on all sides related to religion. And for Christians to deny that there have not been any atrocities and perhaps MILLIONS of people dying at the hands of Christians, in the name of god and Christianity, would be a fucking lie. Religion is evil and the sooner we eradicate it from the earth, the better of we are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #5 February 9, 2015 I would humbly suggest that the challenges that history poses to us boils down to one rather stark point; we weren't around for most of it. I'm reading two books on the Crusades, one by Thomas Madden from St. Louis University and one by Thomas Asbridge from the University of London. Both are recognized scholars in Medieval History with extensive writings resulting from as much research on The Crusades. Of course, these are only two books on the subject and far from comprehensive but a good start. Some of us interject our contemporary values back to the time in question, some of us don't. So far, the text presents issues certainly worth considering and not as "cut and dry" as many contend...to include the President. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #6 February 9, 2015 Jehovah's Witnessing is the only way to go bro. http://www.religionfacts.com/big_religion_chart.htm Did not know that there are over 40 religion/beliefs.Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #7 February 9, 2015 ibxQuote"Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ," Obama said Wednesday. "And in our home country, slavery, and Jim Crow, all too often was justified in the name of Christ." Which part is that is not true? *** “well-educated” creatures of Washington accept the Arab fantasy that the cultural incompetence, practical indolence, and spiritual decay of the entire Middle East stems from Richard Coeur de Lion’s twelfth-century swordplay. I would say a citation is in order. The author tells people to read books on the subject, I would recommend he listens to what is said before commenting. I don't think think the author would understand any book he read since he cannot even correctly interpret a single simple quote... The whole discussion is along the lines of "my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend". Unspeakable things have been done in the name of both religions... Arguing about it is petty and for the simple minded as this author proves. Isn't that exactly what you're doing right now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #8 February 9, 2015 tkhayesno one made the claim that they were 'more evil', 'less evil, 'as evil' - whatever. What was stated was that there have been atrocities on all sides related to religion. And for Christians to deny that there have not been any atrocities and perhaps MILLIONS of people dying at the hands of Christians, in the name of god and Christianity, would be a fucking lie. Religion is evil and the sooner we eradicate it from the earth, the better of we are. It's rather amusing about what you said. I can't comment on what happened in the crusades, not can I comment on what happened before I was born. What I can comment on is what I see today and what I see today are a bunch of whiny ass atheists constantly crying about people with religious beliefs and how every religion is 'wrong' except yours...which is no religion at all. You sir should jump off your high horse just like everyone else you are condemning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #9 February 9, 2015 tkhayesno one made the claim that they were 'more evil', 'less evil, 'as evil' - whatever. What was stated was that there have been atrocities on all sides related to religion. And for Christians to deny that there have not been any atrocities and perhaps MILLIONS of people dying at the hands of Christians, in the name of god and Christianity, would be a fucking lie. Religion is evil and the sooner we eradicate it from the earth, the better of we are. Welcome to the modern world. It seems that these things should have already been put behind us, no? Or are you saying that since the Christians did it, in the distant past, its OK for others to perpetuate violence today?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #10 February 9, 2015 ibxQuote"Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ," Obama said Wednesday. "And in our home country, slavery, and Jim Crow, all too often was justified in the name of Christ." Which part is that is not true? *** “well-educated” creatures of Washington accept the Arab fantasy that the cultural incompetence, practical indolence, and spiritual decay of the entire Middle East stems from Richard Coeur de Lion’s twelfth-century swordplay. I would say a citation is in order. The author tells people to read books on the subject, I would recommend he listens to what is said before commenting. I don't think think the author would understand any book he read since he cannot even correctly interpret a single simple quote... The whole discussion is along the lines of "my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend". Unspeakable things have been done in the name of both religions... Arguing about it is petty and for the simple minded as this author proves. Just remember, without the crusades being successful, it's possible that most of Europe would be under Islamic control. Just a wild guess here, mind you."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #11 February 9, 2015 turtlespeed***no one made the claim that they were 'more evil', 'less evil, 'as evil' - whatever. What was stated was that there have been atrocities on all sides related to religion. And for Christians to deny that there have not been any atrocities and perhaps MILLIONS of people dying at the hands of Christians, in the name of god and Christianity, would be a fucking lie. Religion is evil and the sooner we eradicate it from the earth, the better of we are. Welcome to the modern world. It seems that these things should have already been put behind us, no? Or are you saying that since the Christians did it, in the distant past, its OK for others to perpetuate violence today? Belfast in the 1980s is not "the distant past".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 1 #12 February 9, 2015 stayhighJehovah's Witnessing is the only way to go bro. http://www.religionfacts.com/big_religion_chart.htm Did not know that there are over 40 religion/beliefs. Nah, the JWs are fucked up, what with their Third World mentality rejection of modern medicinal practices such as blood transfusion. I like Epicurianism. Seems to be the logical precursor to Skydiverism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,578 #13 February 9, 2015 stayhighJehovah's Witnessing is the only way to go bro. http://www.religionfacts.com/big_religion_chart.htm Did not know that there are over 40 religion/beliefs. That link is outdated; It left out: http://dudeism.com/"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #14 February 9, 2015 ryoder***Jehovah's Witnessing is the only way to go bro. http://www.religionfacts.com/big_religion_chart.htm Did not know that there are over 40 religion/beliefs. That link is outdated; It left out: http://dudeism.com/ And www.venganza.org/... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,379 #15 February 9, 2015 Quotethis info will shock many people Most of whom will ignore it..... Because it's not relevant. He's arguing against a strawman.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,379 #16 February 9, 2015 QuoteOr are you saying that since the Christians did it, in the distant past, its OK for others to perpetuate violence today? No, he's not saying that.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #17 February 9, 2015 jakeeQuoteOr are you saying that since the Christians did it, in the distant past, its OK for others to perpetuate violence today? No, he's not saying that. Oh? And you are clairvoyant like John now. I gotcha.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #18 February 9, 2015 "To this day, Muslims occupy every city vital to the early formation of Christianity except Jerusalem. " …so? It's this sort of thinking that leads people to fight over bullshit that doesn't matter. Hell, the very existence of the modern version of Israel and all of the fighting that followed is all because one group of assholes said "Hey our god said we should have this land". Just because it's lived in by someone with a different religion doesn't mean you can't practice yours, especially when you don't live there anyway. The original Model T plant isn't used to make cars anymore, but Ford is still making cars. Move on and improve your product.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #19 February 9, 2015 tkhayesno one made the claim that they were 'more evil', 'less evil, 'as evil' - whatever. What was stated was that there have been atrocities on all sides related to religion. And for Christians to deny that there have not been any atrocities and perhaps MILLIONS of people dying at the hands of Christians, in the name of god and Christianity, would be a fucking lie. Religion is evil and the sooner we eradicate it from the earth, the better of we are. But but but religion keeps people from doing bad things I thought. That's why all the atheists are murders and rapists, right?cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 735 #20 February 9, 2015 "The National Review stands athwart history, yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who so urge it… it is out of place because, in its maturity, literate America rejected conservatism in favor of radical social experimentation…since ideas rule the world, the ideologues, having won over the intellectual class, simply walked in and started to…run just about everything. There never was an age of conformity quite like this one, or a camaraderie quite like the Liberals’" William F. Buckley, Jr. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #21 February 9, 2015 Did you know that the initial goal of the Crusades was to give back lands to Christians that had been conquered, due to Muslim conquests? And to say otherwise is, well, less than truthful"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #22 February 9, 2015 BoomerdogI would humbly suggest that the challenges that history poses to us boils down to one rather stark point; we weren't around for most of it.. So what? Fact remains that *MOST* religions have sanctioned atrocities at various times in their past. And Christians have certainly committed atrocities during our lifetimes; you don't have to go back to the Inquisition or the 30 Years War for examples. A plague on all their houses. I no reason to prefer any one over another.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 735 #23 February 9, 2015 Alabama appears to still think it's ok for the god minded types to refuse to recognize their own gay offspring when it comes to marriage. The high horse has always existed. In so many ways. Apparently some of us simply aren't "worthy". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 1 #24 February 9, 2015 rushmcDid you know that the initial goal of the Crusades was to give back lands to Christians that had been conquered, due to Muslim conquests? And to say otherwise is, well, less than truthful Hmm. That really doesn't look like your writing style, Marc. Let's see... Ah! Seems it was written, word for word, by Thomas Madden of the University of St. Louis. Of course, regardless of authorship, the point conveniently ignores the fact that most of those lands had passed into Muslim control some 400 years prior to that. So cutting through the bullshit, Pope Urban II's actual main agenda was mainly economic and political, with the "liberation of of lands" meme being tossed into the mix as the cover story. In other words, the main agenda was to impose imperialism militarily, while the rest was mainly cover story to justify the aggression. See? A little research and effort goes a long way. Oh, so does citing one's sources of quotes, btw. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #25 February 9, 2015 Jindal handled this just fine Obama will have his remarks hanging around his neck for a long time And yes, those lands had passed as is the point Christians had those lands taken from them 400 years prior As was and is the SOP for these people (some of them anyway) So the statement is correct as the Crusades were a response Word for word? I just posted what I remembered reading And it was him (I think) I was reading and yes, a little research does go a long way As does the interpretation of what is read and how it is presented Don’t you think?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites