ryoder 1,381 #1 January 23, 2015 I don't say this very often, but...it looks like the GOP is doing something right: http://www.computerworld.com/article/2873670/anti-h-1b-senator-to-head-immigration-panel.html"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #2 January 23, 2015 Agreed. IMO that was never a good program. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #3 January 23, 2015 normiss Agreed. IMO that was never a good program. I like how Microsoft is lobbying for more visas, and layed off - 16K people.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arvoitus 1 #4 January 23, 2015 turtlespeed ***Agreed. IMO that was never a good program. I like how Microsoft is lobbying for more visas, and layed off - 16K people. 12,5k of those were ex-nokians, most of the total were outside US.Your rights end where my feelings begin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #5 January 23, 2015 >12,5k of those were ex-nokians, most of the total were outside US. Details, details. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBachelor 4 #6 January 23, 2015 I've seen it where I contract. They get rid of or fail to hire perfectly capable Americans and bring on a bunch of H1-B's because they're cheaper.There are battered women? I've been eating 'em plain all of these years... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #7 January 23, 2015 Same thing for my wife's chemical company. Laying off people here, and hiring people in Rotterdam, Amsterdam, budapest, and China. They keep their head person and give them the ultimatum to stay and get laid off, or move to the new centers and lead from there. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #8 January 24, 2015 AnvilbrotherSame thing for my wife's chemical company. Laying off people here, and hiring people in Rotterdam, Amsterdam, budapest, and China. They keep their head person and give them the ultimatum to stay and get laid off, or move to the new centers and lead from there. Details, details.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #9 January 26, 2015 That's not a H1B Visa issue, that is globalization. H1B would be if they were bringing those new hires to the US to work here and not hire US workers domestically since they "Could not find talent to fill those jobs with US workers".Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 291 #10 January 26, 2015 Iago ***I've seen it where I contract. They get rid of or fail to hire perfectly capable Americans and bring on a bunch of H1-B's because they're cheaper. Ditto. You guys sound like a bunch of whiny union members. Q: Why is Obama going to India? A: To visit our jobs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #11 January 26, 2015 AnvilbrotherSame thing for my wife's chemical company. Laying off people here, and hiring people in Rotterdam, Amsterdam, budapest, and China. They keep their head person and give them the ultimatum to stay and get laid off, or move to the new centers and lead from there. I highly doubt people in Rotterdam and Amsterdam are cheaper. Plus finding cheaper labour is just the capitalist thing to do. Funny how right wingers become socialists when it effects them directly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #12 January 26, 2015 QuoteI highly doubt people in Rotterdam and Amsterdam are cheaper. Lets see what we have here. We have you, who "highly doubts it" And we have me, who has a close family member who works on the IT/supply chain side of customer service dealing with this issue. She frequently travels to these offices where they have outsourced CS to fix the issues that cant be done over phone or IP. There are also weekly night time phone calls to China to do the same. We were one of the ones "offered" to move to budapest for two years when they initially set up the last call center. My wife was fortunate enough to have some leverage in saying no due to the fact that they paid the $60k for her MBA, and they did not want to lose her. QuoteFunny how right wingers become socialists when it effects them directly. Funny how quick you are to dismiss things when running your mouth off about shit you don't know about. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #13 January 26, 2015 >Funny how right wingers become socialists when it effects them directly. Tight government control of labor is just plain patriotism when it affects big business! Unless it has to do with worker rights. Then it's communism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #14 January 26, 2015 In this situation it had nothing to do with tight government control it was all about $$$$ so both of you are fulll of it with your political comments. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #15 January 26, 2015 Can you explain what Budapest has to do with with Amsterdam and Rotterdam? Seriously, no one is claiming that outsourcing isn't happening, but to claim that a company is outsourcing jobs to the Netherlands because of cheap labor is kinda out there.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #16 January 26, 2015 See post number 8. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 256 #17 January 27, 2015 People are outsourcing call centers and other work to Europe, but the primary reason isn't cost. They CAN be cheaper on the face of it but generally once everything is taken into account it's a wash. There are plenty of other good reasons to do it however.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #18 January 27, 2015 AnvilbrotherQuoteI highly doubt people in Rotterdam and Amsterdam are cheaper. Lets see what we have here. We have you, who "highly doubts it" And we have me, who has a close family member who works on the IT/supply chain side of customer service dealing with this issue. She frequently travels to these offices where they have outsourced CS to fix the issues that cant be done over phone or IP. There are also weekly night time phone calls to China to do the same. We were one of the ones "offered" to move to budapest for two years when they initially set up the last call center. My wife was fortunate enough to have some leverage in saying no due to the fact that they paid the $60k for her MBA, and they did not want to lose her. ***Funny how right wingers become socialists when it effects them directly. Funny how quick you are to dismiss things when running your mouth off about shit you don't know about. Labour in Rotterdam and Amsterdam is not cheaper than in the US. If you ahve a family member claiming that, your family member is wrong. Minimum wage is at least $2 more per hour. Budapest and China have nothing to do with Amsterdam and Rotterdam. The highly doubt part was sarcasm. I lived almost right between Amsterdam and Rotterdam for 24 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #19 January 27, 2015 A world wide 3.2 billion dollar fine chemicals company thinks it's cheaper to outsource its call and data centers to China, Budapest, Rotterdam, and Amsterdam that's a fact I know first hand. Not sure how or why but it's a fact no matter where you lived, the min wage, or your level of sarcasm. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #20 January 27, 2015 AnvilbrotherA world wide 3.2 billion dollar fine chemicals company thinks it's cheaper to outsource its call and data centers to China, Budapest, Rotterdam, and Amsterdam that's a fact I know first hand. Not sure how or why but it's a fact no matter where you lived, the min wage, or your level of sarcasm. Because you said it had to do with labour rates. Which is bullshit. Much more likely in the case of Rotterdam and Amsterdam that it has to do with favourable business taxation. Quoterunning your mouth off about shit you don't know about. Ironic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #21 January 27, 2015 Please show me where I said labor was cheaper.. The only thing I said was that they decided moving the DC, and CS overseas and laying off Americans was how they found a way to save money. How or why is up to them. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #22 January 27, 2015 AnvilbrotherPlease show me where I said labor was cheaper.. The only thing I said was that they decided moving the DC, and CS overseas and laying off Americans was how they found a way to save money. How or why is up to them. Sure thing. You responded to this post (through a reply to a post that said "Ditto"): QuoteI've seen it where I contract. They get rid of or fail to hire perfectly capable Americans and bring on a bunch of H1-B's because they're cheaper. with: QuoteSame thing for my wife's chemical company. Laying off people here, and hiring people in Rotterdam, Amsterdam, budapest, and China. They keep their head person and give them the ultimatum to stay and get laid off, or move to the new centers and lead from there. Even though your reply has absolutely nothing to do with H-1B visas, you are clearly implying that your wife's company is outsourcing because labour is cheaper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #23 January 27, 2015 Quoteimplying Nope, that was what you wanted to hear. I was saying that companies like the one my wife works at choose to outsource due to it being a cheaper business option. I never mentioned labor, or h-1b, only adding to the conversation the fact that businesses are moving out for cost savings. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #24 January 27, 2015 lol So when some one says: QuoteThey get rid of or fail to hire perfectly capable Americans and bring on a bunch of H1-B's because they're cheaper with: QuoteSame thing for my wife's chemical company You didn't mean that the workers were cheaper, but you meant that the business taxation in other countries was more favourable. Which of course is not the same thing at all. So, why would you claim it was the same thing for your wife's company then? Unless of course you have absolutely no clue what "H-1B's" mean? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #25 January 27, 2015 Nope I was speaking to the context that businesses are looking outside the U.S. to save money. That could mean bring cheaper labor in, going to cheaper labor, or moving out to a less restrictive area for a cheaper mfg costs. You read these posts like they are an essay, I think of it as a bunch of friends standing in a circle talking less formal, more contextual. If we were talking in a group people would know what I was getting at, you do not seem to read it that way. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
