Coreece 189 #1126 February 26, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Try this: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/18/1157972219/fox-news-election-fraud-claims-vs-what-they-knew Doesn't it raise questions in your mind why they won't post the full interviews, which really aren't that long? I mean this is a lawyer for the sitting President of the United States at that time who filed actual lawsuits for voter fraud and somehow it's inappropriate to bring her on national TV and question what evidence she has to support her claims and how she's going to prove it before the election results are certified? I mean whether she was telling the truth or not, it's national news no matter how you slice and dice it, and the people needed to hear it. I'm glad they brought her on, so now we have a record of how Powel was lying through her teeth, unless of course she was somehow persuaded not to go through with it and expose the greatest fraud in American history? I mean Trump and his lawyers need to be held accountable for this, not Fox News. And I just checked, apparently she's not being disbarred. How can that be? It's just not adding up. Edited February 26, 2023 by Coreece Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,294 #1127 February 26, 2023 5 hours ago, Coreece said: Doesn't it raise questions in your mind why they won't post the full interviews, which really aren't that long? Not really, but then I was also not one of those kids who checked under the bed or feared the closet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,620 #1128 February 26, 2023 6 hours ago, Coreece said: . . . . Squirming doesn't become you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,116 #1129 February 26, 2023 1 hour ago, JoeWeber said: Not really, but then I was also not one of those kids who checked under the bed or feared the closet. I was in seventh grade. And I still look at the wording of Fox and other polarizing newsy organizations to see what they’re slanting. No one can tell ALL the news, one has to select what’s important. And that varies by outlet. Otherwise we’d all be reading Tiger Beat and getting our news from dz.com Of course, I never watch local/network news, either — it’s full of stories designed to scare you (which attracts viewership). Remember every company’s first priority is making money to serve their investors. A little honesty is only a lagniappe Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #1130 February 26, 2023 17 hours ago, Coreece said: Then again, it should be very easy to show me at least one example where they actually lied about it. Maybe Lou Dobbs said something? Not sure. I just know that Fox fired him and canceled his show. Yes, Lou Dobbs said something. Several times. Maybe you should look into that before getting too indignant? You’ve spent enough time figuring out what Carlson did or didn’t say, but he’s not even a party to the suit. Dobbs is one of only 3 hosts named by Dominion, but you’re convinced Fox are in the clear even though you’ve no idea what he said? BTW, yes they did cancel his show. The day after the suit was filed. I don’t know what that tells you, but what it tells me is not good for Fox. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,120 #1131 February 26, 2023 21 hours ago, Coreece said: Then again, it should be very easy to show me at least one example where they actually lied about it. Do you have to explicitly lie to lie about something? There are lots of ways to introduce innuendo, doubt, imply etc without making specific statements. The infamous "When did you stop beating your wife?" type of questions and comments etc. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #1132 February 27, 2023 17 hours ago, Coreece said: Where did Bartiromo lie? When she said that Dominion software was linked to the voting irregularities. Quote Doesn't it raise questions in your mind why they won't post the full interviews, which really aren't that long? Not at all. News today focuses on five to ten second sound bites. If they are longer, people tune out. You can always get the longer interview if you want it. Quote And I just checked, apparently she's not being disbarred. How can that be? It's just not adding up. The Chewbacca Defense! Love it! You're sort of rolling out all the tropes here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #1133 February 27, 2023 9 hours ago, jakee said: You’ve spent enough time figuring out what Carlson did or didn’t say, but he’s not even a party to the suit. Dobbs is one of only 3 hosts named by Dominion, but you’re convinced Fox are in the clear even though you’ve no idea what he said? It really wasn't that hard to find Tucker calling her out for not having any evidence. An no, I wasn't fully convinced that Fox was in the clear, which is why I was asking questions. Who knew that Lou Dobbs was even a thing anymore? Then it's like oh, well he got fired, wonder what that's about? But the stuff I saw at that point was just as vague as everything else. Even Weber posted a link that listed just one question that he asked regarding the ability of these voting systems to be hacked. But ya, I should've just looked at the original complaints. One that I saw was just an incomplete redacted mess that was difficult to parse, but I found another one that gives everything that I was looking/asking for. It gives a list of exhibits, dates, screenshots, tweets, and complete transcripts in full context. And yes, Carlson is named at least 67 times and listed in several of the exhibits: "Fox repeatedly published defamatory falsehoods about Dominion, including by broadcasting and rebroadcasting the defamatory falsehoods of its on-air personalities Maria Bartiromo, Tucker Carlson, Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity,Jeanine Pirro, and their chosen guests. . ." Full Complaint: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20527880-dominion-v-fox-news-complaint Fox News Reply: https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Fox-Reply-Dominion.pdf Thanks for nothing guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #1134 February 27, 2023 45 minutes ago, billvon said: Quote Doesn't it raise questions in your mind why they won't post the full interviews, which really aren't that long? Not at all. Of course not, selective quoting and bad faith are your specialty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #1135 February 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Coreece said: Of course not, selective quoting and bad faith are your specialty. Do you really not understand how the media works? No wonder you fall prey to their tricks. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #1136 February 27, 2023 6 hours ago, Coreece said: It really wasn't that hard to find Tucker calling her out for not having any evidence. An no, I wasn't fully convinced that Fox was in the clear, which is why I was asking questions. Who knew that Lou Dobbs was even a thing anymore? Then it's like oh, well he got fired, wonder what that's about? Lou Dobbs Hits 40 Consecutive Months As Most-Watched Cable Business Host So again, do you not think you should find out what he said before being so adamant that he’s not important here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #1137 February 27, 2023 On 2/26/2023 at 7:42 AM, Coreece said: I mean this is a lawyer for the sitting President of the United States at that time who filed actual lawsuits for voter fraud and somehow it's inappropriate to bring her on national TV and question what evidence she has to support her claims and how she's going to prove it before the election results are certified? I mean whether she was telling the truth or not, it's national news no matter how you slice and dice it, and the people needed to hear it. You can tell people about what someone is saying without giving them a platform to say it. Anyway, how many times did Fox bring her on TV? How many times did they bring her on again after one of their hosts called her out for lack of evidence? How many times did they bring one of the President elect’s representatives on to national TV to counter her (or any of Fox’s other) allegations that the election was rigged? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,620 #1138 February 27, 2023 3 hours ago, jakee said: You can tell people about what someone is saying without giving them a platform to say it. Anyway, how many times did Fox bring her on TV? How many times did they bring her on again after one of their hosts called her out for lack of evidence? How many times did they bring one of the President elect’s representatives on to national TV to counter her (or any of Fox’s other) allegations that the election was rigged? Are you requesting actual facts in an argument with Coreeeeece? That's not the way it works. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #1139 February 27, 2023 Yes, a state representative actually said this. "In the case where child abuse is fatal, obviously it’s not good for the child. But it’s actually a benefit to society because there aren’t needs for government services and whatnot over the whole course of that child’s life." Interesting that that only applies AFTER it has been born. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,120 #1140 February 27, 2023 20 hours ago, Coreece said: It really wasn't that hard to find Tucker calling her out for not having any evidence. An no, I wasn't fully convinced that Fox was in the clear, which is why I was asking questions. Who knew that Lou Dobbs was even a thing anymore? Then it's like oh, well he got fired, wonder what that's about? But the stuff I saw at that point was just as vague as everything else. Even Weber posted a link that listed just one question that he asked regarding the ability of these voting systems to be hacked. But ya, I should've just looked at the original complaints. One that I saw was just an incomplete redacted mess that was difficult to parse, but I found another one that gives everything that I was looking/asking for. It gives a list of exhibits, dates, screenshots, tweets, and complete transcripts in full context. And yes, Carlson is named at least 67 times and listed in several of the exhibits: "Fox repeatedly published defamatory falsehoods about Dominion, including by broadcasting and rebroadcasting the defamatory falsehoods of its on-air personalities Maria Bartiromo, Tucker Carlson, Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity,Jeanine Pirro, and their chosen guests. . ." Full Complaint: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20527880-dominion-v-fox-news-complaint Fox News Reply: https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Fox-Reply-Dominion.pdf Thanks for nothing guys Would it help if the owner of Fox News admitted in a sworn deposition that their hosts endorsed the narrative of a stolen election? Trying to locate the source document, the attached are snippets taken from Twitter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,380 #1141 February 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Would it help if the owner of Fox News admitted in a sworn deposition that their hosts endorsed the narrative of a stolen election? Trying to locate the source document, the attached are snippets taken from Twitter. I don't think this post came out as intended. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,620 #1142 February 27, 2023 44 minutes ago, ryoder said: I don't think this post came out as intended. I don't know about that. https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/02/27/rupert-murdoch-testimony-fox-dominion/ Rupert Murdoch admitted some Fox News commentators ‘endorsed’ election lies, deposition reveals Testifying in a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit brought by a voting technology company, the billionaire media mogul acknowledged that conservative hosts Jeanine Pirro, Lou Dobbs and Sean Hannity endorsed claims of a stolen election Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,620 #1143 February 27, 2023 I expect a sematics argument from Coreeeece now about how endorsing a lie is not the same as lying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #1144 February 27, 2023 1 hour ago, kallend said: I expect a sematics argument from Coreeeece now about how endorsing a lie is not the same as lying. Yep. For the next few months we will be treated to some fine wordsmithing indeed. "Well, wasn't REALLY a lie. It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,120 #1145 February 27, 2023 2 hours ago, ryoder said: I don't think this post came out as intended. Why do you think that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,380 #1146 February 28, 2023 31 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Why do you think that? You reference attachments, but there are only the words "Image". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #1147 February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, kallend said: I expect a semantics argument from Coreeeece now about how endorsing a lie is not the same as lying. And that just because they were hosts on a show on Fox, that it wasn't Fox's position or opinion. Note: It was multiple hosts on multiple shows. And NONE of the other shows presented a view that the election was not fraudulent. So much for 'fair & balanced'. 31 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Why do you think that? I was wondering the same thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #1148 February 28, 2023 Just now, ryoder said: You reference attachments, but there are only the words "Image". Oh. I see a bunch of text, I didn't realize it was a picture. Testimony Q&A about various hosts endorsing the lie of the stolen election. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 764 #1149 February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, ryoder said: You reference attachments, but there are only the words "Image". The image was visible to me in the original post as well as your reply. Maybe you've got JavaScript disabled? I disabled mine and refreshed and the image was gone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,380 #1150 February 28, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, lippy said: The image was visible to me in the original post as well as your reply. Maybe you've got JavaScript disabled? I disabled mine and refreshed and the image was gone. No, Javascript is enabled. I just tried a couple different browsers, and the images are showing. Now I am puzzling over why Firefox is substituting the word "Image" instead of displaying it. ETA: OK, figured it out. For some damned reason, running Firefox with "Always use private browsing mode" enabled, does that. Edited February 28, 2023 by ryoder 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites