BIGUN 1,229 #26 November 24, 2014 normissNot by your previous statement it isn't. Sorry, you lost me. I went back and re-read what I wrote and don't see a contradiction.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #27 November 25, 2014 BIGUN ***Still on the fence? Yes. Until there's criminal charges and he's convicted. I decided to always hold back the guillotine after guy at my DZ just had his entire life shattered because he was accused of whipping his dick out in a parking lot. Turns out he, a 6'7" guy from India, was confused with a 5'8" blonde dude. While I think Cosby is guilty I'll hold off until the facts are layed on in a legal venue. In this case there are just too many people coming forward, I think I know where it's headed."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #28 November 25, 2014 normiss OJ is innocent. It's how it works. Well, OJ was found not guilty. Not guilty is not the same as innocent, but I think you know that. Our criminal justice system finds people "not guilty" for a reason, because that's really all it can do - make a decision that the evidence presented was not sufficient to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Proclaiming innocence would be a much different standard, and I'm pretty sure it's not one our system (or perhaps any system) is up for."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,449 #29 November 25, 2014 NWFlyer*** OJ is innocent. It's how it works. Well, OJ was found not guilty. Not guilty is not the same as innocent, but I think you know that. Our criminal justice system finds people "not guilty" for a reason, because that's really all it can do - make a decision that the evidence presented was not sufficient to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Proclaiming innocence would be a much different standard, and I'm pretty sure it's not one our system (or perhaps any system) is up for. And OJ was found not guilty (not "found innocent" as you pointed out) in a criminal court. He was found "liable" for the deaths in a civil court, which has a lower standard of proof. Regardless of what any court said, if he committed the murders (which I personally believe he did), he isn't "innocent." Similarly, one of Cosby's accusers went to the cops, went to the prosecutor. She was told that they wouldn't take it to trial because there wasn't enough evidence to get a conviction. Cosby would have had a "rock star" defense team. Without (or maybe even with) an air tight case, he would have walked. Prosecutors hate to lose (for a lot of different reasons - some valid, some not so much). Rape can be really hard to prosecute. Often only two witnesses, with diametrically opposed stories. Forensic evidence proves the act, but can't prove consent (absent wounds from an attack). Vicious attacks by both sides on both the accuser and the accused. Throw in the fact that celebs are often targeted by false accusations by opportunists looking for a payout. Countered by the fact that some celebs are pretty sick and twisted people, who use their power and wealth to stay out of trouble. It's really hard to say what the truth in the Cosby accusations might be. But the totality of the claims is starting to add up."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SivaGanesha 2 #30 November 26, 2014 Don't know if Cosby is innocent or guilty but I'm generally in favor of a statute of limitations for rape--especially acquaintance rape involving adult women where the main legal issue is one of consent. Proving or disproving consent decades after the fact seems like an impossible task. In cases of statutory rape, where the act of sex alone makes it rape and consent is not at issue, there could be circumstances in which it could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt decades after the fact. An example would be if a man fathers a child with an underage girl and decades later DNA evidence proves he is the father. In such cases--and also considering the extreme seriousness of statutory rape--I could see doing away with the statute of limitations. But these Cosby allegations--whether true or false--seem to me a good example of why a statute of limitations is often a good idea."It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #31 November 27, 2014 There's so much stuff coming out that it's hard to not think at least some of it's true. I don't usually follow celebrity gossip, but this has gotten my attention - partially because it's freakin' Bill Cosby, but also because there is so much that it's hard to ignore. One thing I see is that most of these women don't have much to gain by speaking out about it. I mean, it's not very likely he will be convicted of anything, so I think they're coming out more to help others who are afraid of being discredited. Also, they're setting themselves up (which they must be aware of) for the whole "blaming the victim" scenario, because most of them (while still likely victims) have not been in entirely blameless scenarios. Hanging out with big-time star who can possibly advance their careers, accepting who-knows-what kind of drugs from this dude, etc. . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,229 #32 November 27, 2014 Well put. I think I'm now about where you are.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,519 #33 July 11, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA4yuz8qgj4 "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 718 #34 July 12, 2015 Now we know what some of those drugs were. He seems to have admitted to actually raping women. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,240 #35 July 12, 2015 Hi normiss, Quote admitted to actually raping women He is toast. They only thing saving his keester is the Statute of Limitations. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #36 July 13, 2015 ShotgunThere's so much stuff coming out that it's hard to not think at least some of it's true. I don't usually follow celebrity gossip, but this has gotten my attention - partially because it's freakin' Bill Cosby, but also because there is so much that it's hard to ignore. One thing I see is that most of these women don't have much to gain by speaking out about it. I mean, it's not very likely he will be convicted of anything, so I think they're coming out more to help others who are afraid of being discredited. Also, they're setting themselves up (which they must be aware of) for the whole "blaming the victim" scenario, because most of them (while still likely victims) have not been in entirely blameless scenarios. Hanging out with big-time star who can possibly advance their careers, accepting who-knows-what kind of drugs from this dude, etc. . . . well put Separate thing that is sad so - if they speak up now - they MIGHT allow a few other woman to keep from being discredited..... if they had spoken up THEN - perhaps these other woman wouldn't have been raped in the first place (if BC had been in jail) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,240 #37 July 27, 2015 Hi Keith, A little update: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bill-cosby-scandal-35-accusers-appear-new-york-magazine-cover-n398941 Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #38 July 27, 2015 JerryBaumchenHi Keith, A little update: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bill-cosby-scandal-35-accusers-appear-new-york-magazine-cover-n398941 Jerry Baumchen Apparently someone has disabled the NY Mag's website with a DOS attack. Fortunately, though, the article can still be accessed via its Google cache here: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Ah8OCTQDazgJ:nymag.com/thecut/2015/07/bill-cosbys-accusers-speak-out.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,519 #39 July 27, 2015 "I predict that sometime in the next few months the number of Republican candidates will surpass the number of Bill Cosby accusers." -- Bill Maher on Twitter "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #40 July 28, 2015 devildogWhere there's smoke, there's fire. Personally I think the cosby show should be removed from TV. If the higher ups are going to remove the dukes of hazzard because of a fucking flag on a CAR, then clearly leaving the cosby show on TV says its totally A OK to drug and rape women. Here is some of the severe 'intolerance' you'll see on the dukes of hazzard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqVlatp_raY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,679 #41 July 28, 2015 >then clearly leaving the cosby show on TV says its totally A OK to drug and rape women. Right. Just like showing the movie The Naked Gun or Roots means they support murder. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #42 July 28, 2015 There was an episode where everyone was bitching and fighting until everyone had some of Cosby's "special" bbq sauce and after they were all hugging and kissing. Quote Everyone eventually ends up hugging and kissing, and Cliff gives the credit to his special barbecue sauce. http://www.tv.com/shows/the-cosby-show/the-last-barbecue-12893/[url] Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #43 July 28, 2015 clearly you support rapists. or perhaps you blindly support him just because he's black and all white people are racist...which makes you a racist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #44 July 28, 2015 billvon>then clearly leaving the cosby show on TV says its totally A OK to drug and rape women. Right. Just like showing the movie The Naked Gun or Roots means they support murder.i do agree that the movie roots should not be shown, if they won't show the Dukes of hazard because of a paint job on a car. The naked gun should be shown to everyone no matter what you like, and no matter if you like it or not. We'll just shove it down everyone's throat.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #45 July 28, 2015 Whether or not to show Dukes of Hazzard is a grey area, subject to reasonable discussion points on either side. Whether to show the Cosby Show is simply a clear No. To me, it's not even close. Just, fuck no. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 718 #46 July 28, 2015 The entire flag ordeal is just silly. Get over it already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #47 July 28, 2015 normissThe entire flag ordeal is just silly. Get over it already. There are about 9 million African-Americans in the US who, thanks largely to the way the Confederate flag has been co-opted by certain white racists as a symbol of their racism, feel viscerally about the Confederate flag just as, say, Jews feel about the Swastika, a 1,000 year-old symbol that was co-opted by the Nazis. So while it might be rational for you to wish, for ethically sound reasons, for people to get over it, that's simply not going to happen, at least probably not in your or my lifetime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Driver1 0 #48 July 28, 2015 If somebody takes a sledgehammer to Cosby's Hollywood star, I'd be perfectly okay with that. Fuck him.There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 718 #49 July 28, 2015 I share your perspective, which is exactly why the defenders of said racist banner should get over it yesterday already. My apologies for not making myself clear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #50 July 28, 2015 Driver1If somebody takes a sledgehammer to Cosby's Hollywood star, I'd be perfectly okay with that. Fuck him. the owners of that sidewalk surely have the right to remove it and make a big deal breaking it into little pieces - I think that would be great and hope they do some stranger going and destroying someone else's private property? no, then it would be called a tantrum and illegal ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
