Dems consider Keystone vote for Landrieu

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http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/politics/2014/11/12/newday-inside-politics-dems-consider-keystone-vote-to-help-landrieu.cnn.html

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/economics-no-longer-makes-keystone-153213747.html;_ylt=AwrSyCMiKWVUPEUAmi.TmYlQ

This was an amusing article. The Keystone pipeline is unlikely to actually get built or see any usage if oil is under $100/barrel (and it's in upper 70s right now).

[billvon 2,396]

>This was an amusing article. The Keystone pipeline is unlikely to actually get built
>or see any usage if oil is under $100/barrel (and it's in upper 70s right now).

And, if it does, its primary effect will be to increase gas prices in the US (since the expansion of the Keystone is all about getting oil to Louisiana, where it can be exported.)

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since the expansion of the Keystone is all about getting oil to Louisiana, where it can be exported.

Its true that some would be exported, but about a million barrels of import per day will be eliminated and stay in the US. NET bonus for our oil dependence.

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[billvon 2,396]

>Its true that some would be exported, but about a million barrels of import per
>day will be eliminated and stay in the US. NET bonus for our oil dependence.

No, not really. The Keystone already extends through North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas and into Iowa and Illinois. The extensions they are arguing about now would add capacity from Canada to Nebraska and into the Houston port for export. Overall a net MINUS for our oil independence; with more foreigners using our oil, we will drain American oil sooner and be more reliant on imports for the rest of the US.

(Now, if the Keystone extensions had been proposed to Nevada and Pennsylvania, that would indeed have reduced our dependence on foreign oil. But as it stands, the only ones to benefit will be the big oil companies.)

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billvon

>Its true that some would be exported, but about a million barrels of import per
>day will be eliminated and stay in the US. NET bonus for our oil dependence.

No, not really. The Keystone already extends through North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas and into Iowa and Illinois. The extensions they are arguing about now would add capacity from Canada to Nebraska and into the Houston port for export. Overall a net MINUS for our oil independence; with more foreigners using our oil, we will drain American oil sooner and be more reliant on imports for the rest of the US.

(Now, if the Keystone extensions had been proposed to Nevada and Pennsylvania, that would indeed have reduced our dependence on foreign oil. But as it stands, the only ones to benefit will be the big oil companies.)

How is that Canada's natural resources belong to the USA?

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billvon

>This was an amusing article. The Keystone pipeline is unlikely to actually get built
>or see any usage if oil is under $100/barrel (and it's in upper 70s right now).

And, if it does, its primary effect will be to increase gas prices in the US (since the expansion of the Keystone is all about getting oil to Louisiana, where it can be exported.)

So you're saying Dems would be stupid to vote for it now? Wonder why they'd do that...

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[billvon 2,396]

>So you're saying Dems would be stupid to vote for it now?

It would probably be smart for both parties to vote for it. Oil companies have VERY deep pockets.

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>How is that Canada's natural resources belong to the USA?

Think like an oil company executive! For some reason, Exxon's oil ended up under another country again. They will quickly correct that error.

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billvon

>This was an amusing article. The Keystone pipeline is unlikely to actually get built
>or see any usage if oil is under $100/barrel (and it's in upper 70s right now).

And, if it does, its primary effect will be to increase gas prices in the US (since the expansion of the Keystone is all about getting oil to Louisiana, where it can be exported.)

So they just leave that oil in OK? Seems like a waste.

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It's something that should have been approved years ago, but wasn't because of politics. However now that the Democrats got trashed in the recent mid-term elections, they suddenly approve of the idea of building a new pipeline? Do we need to remind some of you of the existing network of oil and natural gas pipelines that dot the map of North America?

Map of the existing pipelines in North America

These are not new pipelines, they have been in the ground operating for decades. Keystone XL is just yet another pipeline in a vast network of existing pipelines. But for all of you who think stopping Keystone XL will close down the Oilsands, think again. Even if Obama vetos it to appease his Hollywood friends, if the bitumen won't travel from Western Canada to the Gulf of Mexico via a new modern pipeline, it will still get there like it currently does. It will get there by rail.

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[billvon 2,396]

>So they just leave that oil in OK?

?? No, they use it. (We do use a lot of oil here.) That's why gas prices are so low in Oklahoma now.

Or you could put in another pipeline to get all that oil to China - in which case you'll see gas prices spike. That old supply/demand thing.

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billvon

>So they just leave that oil in OK?

?? No, they use it. (We do use a lot of oil here.) That's why gas prices are so low in Oklahoma now.

Or you could put in another pipeline to get all that oil to China - in which case you'll see gas prices spike. That old supply/demand thing.

I seriously doubt that the oil is staying in OK. You can truck it out of there or put it on rail cars.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/01/23/biz-charts-us-oil-production/bbaf0b4b88bfdd53952bd779ab74da7e0094eca4/0125-biz-webCHARTS-artboard_1.png

Production is way up and demand is down. That's why prices are low everywhere. Completing one pipeline won't have that much effect. This has never been about energy; it's been a green issue from the beginning. 'The pipeline will be an environmental problem' is the cry every time. I remember they said the same thing in AK.

Whomever said this doesn't work at $70/barrel is correct. Typical liberal politics.

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[billvon 2,396]

>I seriously doubt that the oil is staying in OK. You can truck it out of there or put
>it on rail cars.

Right. And that's expensive - so most stays near Oklahoma (which includes Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Missouri etc.) And when you look at a map of the US, that's where gas is currently cheapest due to the abundant supply.

>Production is way up and demand is down. That's why prices are low everywhere.

Well, production is way up and demand is flat. Hence lower prices.

>Completing one pipeline won't have that much effect.

So a pipeline in can carry so much oil that it significantly depresses prices due to increased supply, but another similar pipeline carrying oil out won't do much? There's a logical error in your statement.

> This has never been about energy; it's been a green issue from the beginning.

Yes, and that's a narrow view. It will have effects far wider than just the environment - and higher gas prices is one of those effects.

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Landrieu

Oh, her.

I thought you meant him.

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since the expansion of the Keystone is all about getting oil to Louisiana, where it can be exported.

Its true that some would be exported, but about a million barrels of import per day will be eliminated and stay in the US. NET bonus for our oil dependence.

Stay in the US? It's CANADIAN oil, to be sold to the rest of the world.

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Did anyone here say it wasn't canadian oil? I only replied to bill who said it was all being exported and said that what I read shows that almost 1 million barrels per day was staying here...

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Did anyone here say it wasn't canadian oil? I only replied to bill who said it was all being exported and said that what I read shows that almost 1 million barrels per day was staying here...

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NET bonus for our oil dependence.

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since the expansion of the Keystone is all about getting oil to Louisiana, where it can be exported.

Its true that some would be exported, but about a million barrels of import per day will be eliminated and stay in the US. NET bonus for our oil dependence.

Stay in the US? It's CANADIAN oil, to be sold to the rest of the world.

If Republicans were really interested in job creation, they’d pass a bill to rebuild America’s crumbling roads, bridges, ports, and public transit systems – creating hundreds of thousands of jobs directly and more than a million indirectly, at the lowest borrowing costs in more than two decades.

Haha...we did this already. It was called the Stimulus.

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since the expansion of the Keystone is all about getting oil to Louisiana, where it can be exported.

Its true that some would be exported, but about a million barrels of import per day will be eliminated and stay in the US. NET bonus for our oil dependence.

Stay in the US? It's CANADIAN oil, to be sold to the rest of the world.

If Republicans were really interested in job creation, they’d pass a bill to rebuild America’s crumbling roads, bridges, ports, and public transit systems – creating hundreds of thousands of jobs directly and more than a million indirectly, at the lowest borrowing costs in more than two decades.

Haha...we did this already. It was called the Stimulus.

Maybe you should compare the employment figures today with those at the end of the Bush presidency.

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You know as well and anyone else when people talk about oil dependence its about getting rid of our dependence on middle eastern supplies....

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You know as well and anyone else when people talk about oil dependence its about getting rid of our dependence on middle eastern supplies....

I see - what's yours is yours and what is your neighbor's is also yours.

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Merica! At least they are selling it to us so when Jeb bush gets elected president you can't claim he used false Intel to invade Canada for it...

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