Christians and Ebola

[normiss 622]

If their god hates gays so much, why in hell does he keep making them?

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

quade

You're right. This is NOT an "end times" event. This is still a serious event. The odds of any one particular individual (you or me) in the US getting it today, tomorrow or even a month from now are amazingly small.

That said . . . it's a huge crisis in Africa. It has the potential to be a pretty big crisis world-wide. Even then though in the US it will still be pretty rare. It will absolutely happen to people in the US, but almost certainly not to you or me as individuals.

You are absolutely right that this is a serious event. If it isn't stopped in Liberia & Sierra Leone, then there is a very real chance it will become endemic in West Africa.
That is, it will always be there to some degree. Not popping up here and there, but always present.

And that would mean that there would always be a threat of it showing up in Europe, Asia (that could get messy), South America (the slums of Rio or Brasilia would be interesting) or here in the US.

But that ISN"T NEW!!!!

That's been a threat since this outbreak spiraled out of control.

It's just that very few people here in the US cared much until it showed up here.

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[jakee 1,254]

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That said . . . it's a huge crisis in Africa.

Is it though? It's a crisis in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea but Africa is a big place with a lot of diseases.

The annual death toll from rampant STDs like HIV/AIDS and syphillis obviously dwarfs the scale of the ebola outbreak, but diseases that we in the west think of as eradicated or (with proper treatment) nuisances have huge death tolls as well. Things like TB, measles, whooping cough and tetanus (seriously, tetanus) kill hundreds of thousands of people every year. Diseases caused by general poverty and poor living conditions (eg. pneumonia and diarrhoea) are on another scale entirely.

Ebola may be terrible for those within the affected areas but it could be that the only reason we're thinking of it as a 'huge' african crisis is because it's different, therefore it's exciting, therefore we actually get to hear about it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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jakee

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That said . . . it's a huge crisis in Africa.

Is it though?

Yes. We have previously been lulled into a concept that Ebola, while amazingly deadly, is also very self limiting since it kills the victim before it can spread too far. That kept it contained within small villages when it broke out there. Entire villages died, but that's where it stopped.

We had gotten to a place of complacency with that thinking.

Now that it has spread farther, it CAN spread farther still.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[kallend 1,623]

RonD1120

Christians are just as likely to catch the Ebola virus as anyone. The point of the post is to remind fellow pilgrims not to enter the panic stage.

Despite the best efforts of the GOP politicians in Washington and Texas, and Rupert Murdoch's media outlets, I haven't noticed a whole lot of panicking going on.

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[RonD1120 58]

God does not deliver us from.... He delivers us through....

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 58]

When I first heard the blockade rumor it was in response to terrorists. Bear in mind that we have varying levels of faith in our community. Furthermore, some in our community are not Christians but rather just plain ol' rednecks.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 58]

I don't hate the LBGT bunch. They are sinners like us before repenting and accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 58]

I agree

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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quade

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That said . . . it's a huge crisis in Africa.

Is it though?

Yes. We have previously been lulled into a concept that Ebola, while amazingly deadly, is also very self limiting since it kills the victim before it can spread too far. That kept it contained within small villages when it broke out there. Entire villages died, but that's where it stopped.

We had gotten to a place of complacency with that thinking.

Now that it has spread farther, it CAN spread farther still.

I've wondered about this. Earlier outbreaks occurred in small isolated villages. Some time later, maybe even years later, another outbreak wipes out another distant village. I understand that there are various different strains of the Ebola virus. I wonder if the subsequent outbreaks represented new occurrences directly from natural sources (nearby bat caves, etc.) which might explain the different strains, or if the virus was somehow transmitted from the previously infected village to the new population, mutating, or not, as it spreads. It might be transmitted through animals which are hunted by each of the isolated populations, for example. Or by bats or birds. Now it has arrived in larger, more mobile populations. The ~2-3 week incubation period might allow for a lot of global travelling by a lot of infected folks before illness sets in. If there happens to be mode of transmission (sneeze droplets, sweat, saliva, etc.) maybe just before the patient shows definite symptoms or is too sick to travel, there could be "generations" of folks infected by the virus before it's detected in the original carriers. I hope not. I think the long incubation period will make stopping a global spread very difficult, particularly since we are not restricting travel by people who are not symptomatic regardless of where they've been.

[AndyBoyd 0]

So chill out.

[RonD1120 58]

Huh! I am chilled out.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[REDAKTOR 2]

quade

***Glory be to God for creating science. Christians embrace science.

Was the universe, earth and mankind created as literally stated in the Book of Genesis by God?
I think we need to start off with something simpler.
Who was created first, humans or dinosaurs?
Why didn't dinos eat all the humans?

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I think we need to start off with something simpler.
Who was created first, humans or dinosaurs?
Why didn't dinos eat all the humans?

Your question is flawed since none of the above was created. It evolved from a prior species.

[billvon 2,396]

>It's just that very few people here in the US cared much until it showed up here.

Agreed. Sadly the threat of Ebola in the US is about the only thing that will drive us to develop cures/vaccines for the disease.

[CygnusX-1 42]

REDAKTOR

I think we need to start off with something simpler.
Who was created first, humans or dinosaurs?

You need to actually read the good book of Genesis before asking questions. Either that you you seriously need some classes in reading comprehension. As the book was originally written in plain modern-day English it clearly stated that God created the animals first then man. Dinosaurs are not men so therefore they were created before man. This lines up perfectly with what those "science" folks are stating also.

REDAKTOR

Why didn't dinos eat all the humans?

It is completely obvious to most of us but maybe you need some more remedial training. Just youtube John Morris Pendleton (or logicked's rebuttal which is much more humorous) and listen to his wise words. He speaks the truth! The dinos didn't eat humans because before the flood all animals (and man) were vegetarians. Nothing died, well except for plants - but we don't care about their feelings.

It is all right there in the bible. All you need to do is look for it and ask Him to guide you in your quest for true knowledge.

[billvon 2,396]

>As the book was originally written in plain modern-day English it clearly stated that
>God created the animals first then man.


Not so fast mister! Man came first, which is fitting because he's so darn important. It's right there in black and white:

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This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground.

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. . . . .

And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.” Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them.
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[kallend 1,623]

CygnusX-1

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I think we need to start off with something simpler.
Who was created first, humans or dinosaurs?

You need to actually read the good book of Genesis before asking questions. Either that you you seriously need some classes in reading comprehension. As the book was originally written in plain modern-day English it clearly stated that God created the animals first then man. Dinosaurs are not men so therefore they were created before man. This lines up perfectly with what those "science" folks are stating also.

REDAKTOR

Why didn't dinos eat all the humans?

It is completely obvious to most of us but maybe you need some more remedial training. Just youtube John Morris Pendleton (or logicked's rebuttal which is much more humorous) and listen to his wise words. He speaks the truth! The dinos didn't eat humans because before the flood all animals (and man) were vegetarians. Nothing died, well except for plants - but we don't care about their feelings.

It is all right there in the bible. All you need to do is look for it and ask Him to guide you in your quest for true knowledge.

So why do those vegetarian lions, tigers and leopards have digestive systems and big pointy teeth that would be useless for eating vegetables? Or did carnivore teeth EVOLVE after the flood?

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kallend

Or did carnivore teeth EVOLVE after the flood?

that makes no sense - after a flood, things like gills, and little air sacks in the skin would evolve. Nostrils on the top of the head and so forth.....

teeth won't keep you from drowning

I thought you were educated

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billvon

Sadly the threat of Ebola in the US is about the only thing that will drive us to develop cures/vaccines for the disease.

It's one of many that they've worked on (and continue to) up here for some time.

"Ebola vaccine developed in Canada may be 1st approved for use

One of the experimental vaccines was developed at Canada's National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg. The company which licensed that vaccine, NewLink Genetics, announced this week that it had received approval from the U-S Food and Drug Administration to start safety testing of the vaccine."

(source: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ebola-vaccine-developed-in-canada-may-be-1st-approved-for-use-1.2757996)

[RonD1120 58]

You do a much better job than I do. Carry on.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 2,396]

>It's one of many that they've worked on (and continue to) up here for some time.

Yeah, and it should be noted that there has been a lot of 'stuff' in the works (early screening tests, vaccines, antivirals) that have had a very low priority since for a long time Ebola was "their" problem. Now it's "our" problem, and that will lead to us giving such solutions a much, much higher priority. Which, in the long run, will be a good thing; stopping this disease in its tracks benefits both the US and the world.

[jakee 1,254]

RonD1120

You do a much better job than I do. Carry on.

Don't sell yourself short - I think you're both equally good at illustrating the absurdity of radical christianity. The only difference is he's doing it on purpose

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[champu 1]

billvon

>It's one of many that they've worked on (and continue to) up here for some time.

Yeah, and it should be noted that there has been a lot of 'stuff' in the works (early screening tests, vaccines, antivirals) that have had a very low priority since for a long time Ebola was "their" problem. Now it's "our" problem, and that will lead to us giving such solutions a much, much higher priority. Which, in the long run, will be a good thing; stopping this disease in its tracks benefits both the US and the world.

Do you think if Obama declared war on Ebola he could win the Nobel prize in medicine too?

[SkyDekker 1,122]

champu

***>It's one of many that they've worked on (and continue to) up here for some time.

Yeah, and it should be noted that there has been a lot of 'stuff' in the works (early screening tests, vaccines, antivirals) that have had a very low priority since for a long time Ebola was "their" problem. Now it's "our" problem, and that will lead to us giving such solutions a much, much higher priority. Which, in the long run, will be a good thing; stopping this disease in its tracks benefits both the US and the world.

Do you think if Obama declared war on Ebola he could win the Nobel prize in medicine too?



Maybe the Nobel peace medicin award. Rastafarians vote on that one.