kelpdiver 2 #76 August 29, 2014 jakee Quote Even after that murder occurred. Or suicide, no-one really knows. Funny thing about that analogy though - DZs have age limits swimming pools and oceans do not. Scuba diving is now promoted to 8 yos (not what I would suggest, but nevertheless) Skiing, snowboarding, young kids probably shouldn't be handling automatic weapons in rapid fire, but I see little reason they can't be at the range. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartsDaddy 4 #77 August 30, 2014 stayhighI'm pretty sure that the kid will forget about it after couple years, until the day someone goes, "Hey! Let's go shooting!". Your pretty sure about that? How many people have you killed to know how it effects the person. My uncle that was one of triplets killed his brother playing with a gun when he was 7 years old. I guaranty you he never forgot it until he died at 68 . He still was an avid hunter all his life though. He never blamed the gun. I loved and miss that man. My uncle. And I am damn glad it was not his other triplet or I would not be here. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #78 August 30, 2014 stayhighI'm pretty sure that the kid will forget about it after couple years, until the day someone goes, "Hey! Let's go shooting!". A former colleague of mine shot and killed an intruder in his home. Ruled justifiable homicide, not arrested or charged with anything. Intruder was a drunk and unarmed. He became very disturbed about having killed someone. Sold his guns, sold the home, quit his job, separated from his wife. I don't think you can predict how killing someone will affect an individual, even when society rules it justified.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Croc 0 #79 September 1, 2014 +1"Here's a good specimen of my own wisdom. Something is so, except when it isn't so." Charles Fort, commenting on the many contradictions of astronomy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #80 September 1, 2014 JerryBaumchenHi joe, QuoteGiving a 9 YO a full auto Uzi is idiotic. And I agree. However, according to what I heard on the radio, he did not give it to her in full auto mode. She, apparently, inadvertently switched it over & then started firing. JerryBaumchen ................................................................................. Sounds like your local radio station F.........d up their report. Shock! Horror! Outrage! Has a local radio station ever I inaccurately reported a parachute/airplane/train/boating accident? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #81 September 1, 2014 Height is going to be a poor measure - more about grip strength. ........................................................................................... Good point! Maybe the kid should be forced to carry the (unloaded) machine gun from the front desk to the firing line. A similar test would require them to carry an ammo can - containing a full belt - from the front desk to the firing line. If they cannot carry a 22 pound (10 kilogram) ammo belt, they are advised to go to the gym and lift weights until they are strong enough to return to the shooting range. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #82 September 1, 2014 Pure luck that the father did not get shot in the head. Better management would have shooting instructors taught how to "shadow" students similar to the ways that skydiving instructors "shadow" (S/L, IAD and FF) students close to the airplane door. A good shooting instructor should be able to grab the gun before it aims at him. The best instructors use their superior judgement to avoid situations where they need superior reflexes to prevent accidents (e.g. allowing girls to fire a automatic weapons when they lack the muscle to keep them pointed at the target). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #83 September 1, 2014 Usually, the under twelve crowd prefers shooting younger siblings or neighbors kids. ...................................................................................... Some of those little shits deserve to be shot for the cruel ways they treated the shooter yesterday. However, adults are supposed to limit children's, risks until they mature enough to make mature decisions with dangerous toys like guns, drugs, alcohol, parachutes, motor vehicles, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #84 September 1, 2014 stayhighExactly what I'm saying, the girl could've just shot the dude out of curiosity. Without thinking that the bullet will actually kill the guy. ............................................................................... Kids see hundreds of people shot every week on TV and movies. Next week they see the same actor running around in another movie. What is the fuss? TV and other media do not teach kids the FINALITY of shooting people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #85 September 1, 2014 JerryBaumchenHowever, according to what I heard on the radio, he did not give it to her in full auto mode. She, apparently, inadvertently switched it over & then started firing. How could this possibly be knowable by anyone except the instructor? Even then really.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #86 September 1, 2014 Try to look at this from the legislator's perspective. If the legislator is bright enough to enact preventative laws before an accident, then his ass is covered. If some fool ignores the regulation when he hurts himself, the legislator's ass is covered. The legislator gets re-elected and everybody is happy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doorgirl 0 #87 September 1, 2014 kallend*********A case of inexperience and incompetence, much the same as trying to swoop a pond when you don't know how. How much experience and competence do you expect in a 9 year old? Not much, the burden of experience and competence rests with the instructor, now deceased. The instructor was a veteran who had served in Iraq and Afghanistan and had been a firearms instructor for years. Apparently this isn't enough experience and competence. He failed to learn from the 2013 Uzi incident, and fortunately* he paid for that failure with his life and not the life of someone else. Yes, I think his poor instruction is a clear demonstration of incompetence. (*Best of all would be learning without injury or death, but better him than someone else - he was supposed to know the risks and mitigate them or shut it down.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #88 September 1, 2014 cgriff ***Are you proposing a Guns for Tits program? Ah, kind of like the old Toys for Tatas back home... a little Christmas cheer... ................................................................................ That sounds like strippers for charity. If the audience does not donate enough money, quick enough, they march out the wrinkly, saggy, old crack whore who should have retired last year! Hah! Hah! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #89 September 1, 2014 quade***However, according to what I heard on the radio, he did not give it to her in full auto mode. She, apparently, inadvertently switched it over & then started firing. ...................................................................... How could this possibly be knowable by anyone except the instructor? Even then really. ............................................................................... Mr. Quade, Please go back and watch the original video. The original video shows her firing the first shot. Then you see the instructor reaching for the selector switch. You hear the selector switch "click!" The instructor says "full auto." The video concludes with a bullet in his head. An obvious sequence to an experienced observer, shooter, listener, etc. Anyone who has handled an Uzi knows that if you "click" the selector switch from "1" it can only go two places. Either the selector switch goes to "full auto" or it goes to "silent." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #90 September 1, 2014 Now . . . YOU go back and read Jerry's comment.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #91 September 1, 2014 quadeNow . . . YOU go back and read Jerry's comment. ................................................................................... After going back to read Jerry's comment and reviewing the original video, I concluded that the Portland, Oregon radio commentator was unprofessional because he failed to check his facts (e.g. watch the original video) before speculating on the air. I even phoned Jerry to confirm that he heard the story on the local National Public Radio affiliate. Jerry said that he took the story at face value because NPR's quality is normally more reliable than competing commercial radio stations. We were both disappointed when we realized that NPR have allowed their fact-checking quality to deteriorate. That makes audiences wonder of some-one at NPR has an anti-gun agenda???????? It is sad when the media allow political agendas to interfere with honest reporting. If you are wondering about my personal agenda, I have a slightly pro-gun bias (see my recent review of the FG 42 rifle), but guns in the hands of bungling amateurs (e.g. 9-year-old girls) scare the crap out of me!!!!!! In the end, both Jerry and I agree that giving fully-automatic Uzis to 9-year-old girls is idiotic! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmkellett 0 #92 September 1, 2014 when will USA wake up? lots of guns = lots of gun deaths no guns = very very few gun deaths... its so freaking obvious just happy to live somewhere where the average idiot is NOT packing a full auto hand cannon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartsDaddy 4 #93 September 1, 2014 dmkellett just happy to live somewhere where the average idiot is NOT packing a full auto hand cannon So am I. I live in the USA, and your average idiot as you put is not carrying full auto hand cannons. But the average idiot thinks they are. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #94 September 1, 2014 BartsDaddy*** just happy to live somewhere where the average idiot is NOT packing a full auto hand cannon So am I. I live in the USA, and your average idiot as you put is not carrying full auto hand cannons. But the average idiot thinks they are. I'm just happy I live somewhere there's not didjeridu music (if you can call it that) playing everywhere you go 24 hours a day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #95 September 2, 2014 so what exactly is your plan for getting the illegal guns out of the criminals hands?... you do have one right? with 200$ on the street I can have a decent handgun in Portland in less than 30 min - I imagine I could do the same in any major city. full auto might take me a bit longer but I have no doubt I could get one. drugs and guns flow across the border - taking them out of the hands of law abiding people will accomplish little. this was a tragic accident with the root cause being complacency. oh, and nobody Packs a full auto hand cannon on a day to day basis other than the criminals we are restricted to semi auto. sure wish you guys in other countries would learn what the hell you were talking about before engaging your fingers on the keyboard. RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,384 #96 September 2, 2014 >lots of guns = lots of gun deaths >no guns = very very few gun deaths... Well, no gun deaths, actually. But there's no way to "take everyone's guns away" so the point is moot in any case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #97 September 2, 2014 Since machine guns and rocket launchers are "prohibited" they are rare in Canada. Only criminals carry "prohibited" weapons in Canada, ergo few Canadians are killed by "prohibited" weapons. The majority of Canadian shooting victims are already "known to police" while most of the shooters are also "known to police." As long as criminals limit shootings to other criminals, the average Canadian citizen prefers to ignore the whole issue of gun violence with "prohibited weapons." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #98 September 2, 2014 dmkellettwhen will USA wake up? lots of guns = lots of gun deaths no guns = very very few gun deaths... its so freaking obvious just happy to live somewhere where the average idiot is NOT packing a full auto hand cannon When will the rest of the world understand . . . it is a choice we make, and even IF we were to abolish guns, gun crime would be here to stay because some people just have no sense of right and wrong?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,047 #99 September 2, 2014 Hi Paul, Quotego back and read Jerry's comment. Other than saying that the 9-yr old should not be shooting an Uzi, I made NO comment. I did state what I heard that day on the radio. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #100 September 2, 2014 Gun rights are god given natural rights to an American.Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
