Couple in Las Vegas Killings Embraced Anti-Government Ideology

[Backintothesky 0]

Edited:

"The yearly skydiving fatalities have proven what a total folly the USPA's claim that parachutes are useful for saving a skydiver's life really is. Every skydiver who has ever died was wearing a parachute and were trained in its use"

A gun isn't a magic "always win a fight" card.

Neither does wearing a rig guarantee you won't hit the ground too hard.

mpohl

"These murderers have proven what a total folly the NRA's claim that guns are useful for self defense really is. The two police officers who died were armed and trained.

If you think you need a gun for self defense, 99 times out of 100, you should not be allowed to buy it."

[rushmc 18]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/9/vegas-police-shooting-has-officers-fearing-a-rise-/


A couple of things come to mind about this article and are striking


First, in the last 5 years is mentioned
Read the article and let us know what you think
Second
Cops are actively trained to get someone they stop to forfit thier rights. they do this by the questioning they employ
They are getting more and more militerized
Why?
If the cops are not defending the people and thier rights, who will have to?

Multiple non enforcement federal government departments are ordering guns and bullets. WTF?


As the people get more and more repressed, the most radical will strike out vilently
And there is no right wing left wing trend to this
YOUR attempted link to the right wing is disgusting and a lame attempt at making yourself feel superior
FAIL

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

To my last post

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us/war-gear-flows-to-police-departments.html?_r=0

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[quade 3]

Coreece

I'm just here to shut you up...

I'm so glad you've come to protect the world from my opinions.

You truly are doing god's work.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[DanG 1]

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A couple of things come to mind about this article and are striking


First, in the last 5 years is mentioned

This is the reference to "the last five years":

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According to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), membership in the militia arm of the Patriot movement has more than quintupled over the past five years, and those participating in the sovereign citizen movement have increased their numbers over the same period.

They aren't talking about the police become more tyrannical in the last five years, they are talking about the rise of anti-government militants in the last five years.

I'm sure it is just coincidental that a black man was elected President five years ago.

- Dan G

[Boomerdog 0]

To recap...

Two whacked out nut jobs kill two police officers and a bystander leaving behind swastikas and a Gadsden Flag before committing suicide.

Swastikas, the symbol of National Socialism i.e. Nazis i.e. Fascists.

I believe one of the operative words here is "socialism" and I'm sure you'll probably disagree but Fascism and Communism having the common denominator of Socialism are two different sides of the same "coin of the Left" so to speak.

Although the presence of the Gadsden Flag does puzzle me a bit.

Bottom Line...they're not "right wing." Whatever they are, they have no place on my side of the line.

[rushmc 18]

DanG

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A couple of things come to mind about this article and are striking


First, in the last 5 years is mentioned

This is the reference to "the last five years":

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According to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), membership in the militia arm of the Patriot movement has more than quintupled over the past five years, and those participating in the sovereign citizen movement have increased their numbers over the same period.

They aren't talking about the police become more tyrannical in the last five years, they are talking about the rise of anti-government militants in the last five years.Yes, I know

I'm sure it is just coincidental that a black man was elected President five years ago. Does not have a thing to do with it. Are you having a problem with that?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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Does not have a thing to do with it. Are you having a problem with that?

No, but many of the anti-government militias are based around white supremacist groups. They seem to have a problem with it, as do many others if you believe their recruitment is up.

- Dan G

[rushmc 18]

DanG

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Does not have a thing to do with it. Are you having a problem with that?

No, but many of the anti-government militias are based around white supremacist groups. They seem to have a problem with it, as do many others if you believe their recruitment is up.

Hmmm
that mind set I do not understand

but, I will say that obama is a good recruiter for them
but, not becuase of his color.

But I doubt your statement because for some reason you had to bring it up

Maybe I am misreading it.......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[mpohl 1]

Our Shooting of the Day: this time near Portland, Or.

Gunman at Oregon's Reynolds High School shot and killed a student, police chief says. Gunman also is dead, he says.

Just two dead. Almost not news-worthy anymore...


It doesn't take a degree in rocket science to figure out that you don't get rid of something (i.e., gun violence) by adding more to it (i.e., guns).

[rushmc 18]

mpohl

Our Shooting of the Day: this time near Portland, Or.

Gunman at Oregon's Reynolds High School shot and killed a student, police chief says. Gunman also is dead, he says.

Just two dead. Almost not news-worthy anymore...


It doesn't take a degree in rocket science to figure out that you don't get rid of something (i.e., gun violence) by adding more to it (i.e., guns).

the tool has nothing to do with it
To make the point
Look up what was used in the largest school killing and when

BTW
You also know that mass murders and school shootings are not on the rise and there have been fewer and fewer of them since the 90's?

I doubt it

As soon as you really care about other deaths I will care about your opinion regarding guns

Untill then, I will consider your statements on guns political and ideological only. with no substance

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

BTW
You also know that mass murders and school shootings are not on the rise and there have been fewer and fewer of them since the 60's?

Show us your data, because I'm calling bullshit.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rushmc 18]

quade

***BTW
You also know that mass murders and school shootings are not on the rise and there have been fewer and fewer of them since the 60's?

Show us your data, because I'm calling bullshit.

Ya
You can call bullshit if you want
It has been posted here before and it came from government crime stats (FBI)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Then show it, because I don't think it's even vaguely current or true and especially not as you have attempted to present it.

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[rushmc 18]

quade

Then show it, because I don't think it's even vaguely current or true and especially not as you have attempted to present it.

I am glad that is what you think

Not that I care much

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[quade 3]

Which means you can't handle facing actual data.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rushmc 18]

quade

Which means you can't handle facing actual data.

Ya

Thats it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 622]

I'm missing the connection.

That statement is utter bull shit.

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rushmc

***Which means you can't handle facing actual data.

Ya
Thats it


Then prove it. Prove your statement and prove me wrong in asserting it's bullshit by showing the data. You can't. You won't. Mostly because your statement is bullshit and you can't face that fact.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rushmc 18]

quade

******Which means you can't handle facing actual data.

Ya
Thats it


Then prove it. Prove your statement and prove me wrong in asserting it's bullshit by showing the data. You can't. You won't. Mostly because your statement is bullshit and you can't face that fact.

So you think they are on the increase?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[quade 3]

Prove your statement that they aren't, then we'll talk.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Amazon 7]

Boomerdog

To recap...

Two whacked out nut jobs kill two police officers and a bystander leaving behind swastikas and a Gadsden Flag before committing suicide.

Swastikas, the symbol of National Socialism i.e. Nazis i.e. Fascists.

I believe one of the operative words here is "socialism" and I'm sure you'll probably disagree but Fascism and Communism having the common denominator of Socialism are two different sides of the same "coin of the Left" so to speak.

Although the presence of the Gadsden Flag does puzzle me a bit.

Bottom Line...they're not "right wing." Whatever they are, they have no place on my side of the line.

SUUUUURE I am sure they voted for the brown guy... Want to try again???

[kelpdiver 2]

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Then show it, because I don't think it's even vaguely current or true and especially not as you have attempted to present it.

It was true...but I suspect this last month is an obvious spike.

(though there will be data issues around classification - we call the Santa Barbara incident a school shooting but it did not take place on campus, but at 4 off campus locations.)

[JerryBaumchen 1,048]

Hi kelp,

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we call the Santa Barbara incident a school shooting but it did not take place on campus, but at 4 off campus locations.

He posted: You also know that mass murders and school shootings are not on the rise and there have been fewer and fewer of them since the 90's?

That includes all of them.

JerryBaumchen

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Actually, he wrote:

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You also know that mass murders and school shootings are not on the rise and there have been fewer and fewer of them since the 60's?

He later revised it after I called him out on it, but even "the 90s" is bullshit.

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