Russian legislators approve troop deployment in Ukraine

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Andy9o8

***Officers of Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) loyal to the ousted President Viktor Yanukovich have hacked phones of Estonian Minister of Foreign Affairs Urmas Paet and High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton and leaked their conversation to the web. The officials discuss their impressions of what's happening in the country after the revolution. The gist of it is that Ukrainian people have no trust in any of the leaders of Maidan.
However the most striking thing of all is the fact which concerns the use of force during the revolution, particularly the snipers who killed both protesters and officers of the riot police. Mr. Paet reveals astonishing information which confirms the rumours that the snipers were employed by the leaders of Maidan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8

Sigh.
Here. Drink this:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_joPAckYRJio/TR0n66_bFRI/AAAAAAAAAFU/NbBmAJj7Iyw/s1600/kool+aid.jpg:)
I said you pizdobol. You do not even have enough time to listen to the recording, and you have given the answer. You're a magician.

P.S.
- What is the difference between a lawyer and a dog hit by a car?
- Near the dog has trail braking car.

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P.S.
- What is the difference between a lawyer and a dog hit by a car?
- Near the dog has trail braking car.

Hello? You'll notice my avatar?

-A rabbi, a priest and a lawyer fall off a boat into the ocean. Sharks eat the rabbi and the priest, but leave the lawyer alone.
-Why?
-Professional courtesy!

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Andy9o8

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P.S.
- What is the difference between a lawyer and a dog hit by a car?
- Near the dog has trail braking car.

Hello? You'll notice my avatar?

-A rabbi, a priest and a lawyer fall off a boat into the ocean. Sharks eat the rabbi and the priest, but leave the lawyer alone.
-Why?
-Professional courtesy!

:) Good joke.
The first time I ever heard.

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A referendum on Crimea joining the Russian Federation is scheduled to be held in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea on 16 March 2014.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_referendum,_2014

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Nelyubin

A referendum on Crimea joining the Russian Federation is scheduled to be held in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea on 16 March 2014.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_referendum,_2014

See... Comrade Stalins plan is still alive and well.

It was evil brilliance.

KGB Comrade Colonel Putin learned lesson well.

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Bob, I'm going to have to put you in the set of people who don't understand subtext.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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***A referendum on Crimea joining the Russian Federation is scheduled to be held in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea on 16 March 2014.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_referendum,_2014

See... Comrade Stalins plan is still alive and well.

It was evil brilliance.

KGB Comrade Colonel Putin learned lesson well.Wow!
Comrade Stalin held a referendum? I have not heard about it.
Tell us about them.
It will be interesting to know the details.

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Nelyubin

******A referendum on Crimea joining the Russian Federation is scheduled to be held in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea on 16 March 2014.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_referendum,_2014

See... Comrade Stalins plan is still alive and well.

It was evil brilliance.

KGB Comrade Colonel Putin learned lesson well.Wow!
Comrade Stalin held a referendum? I have not heard about it.
Tell us about them.
It will be interesting to know the details.

I thought you were the history expert on NKVD and KGB??

Perhaps you tell us about Comrade Stalin and Politburo policy of moving ethnic Russians into various Soviet Socialist Republic lands that formerly held other groups.. after they were resettled to Siberia or into graves by millions.

You seem to avoid that information ... please.. school us since you suggest. But please try and use something reputable.. not Russias version of FOX News.. as posted before.

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*********A referendum on Crimea joining the Russian Federation is scheduled to be held in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea on 16 March 2014.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_referendum,_2014

See... Comrade Stalins plan is still alive and well.

It was evil brilliance.

KGB Comrade Colonel Putin learned lesson well.Wow!
Comrade Stalin held a referendum? I have not heard about it.
Tell us about them.
It will be interesting to know the details.

I thought you were the history expert on NKVD and KGB??

Perhaps you tell us about Comrade Stalin and Politburo policy of moving ethnic Russians into various Soviet Socialist Republic lands that formerly held other groups.. after they were resettled to Siberia or into graves by millions.

You seem to avoid that information ... please.. school us since you suggest. But please try and use something reputable.. not Russias version of FOX News.. as posted before.I can tell you about the time when top American valor thought to get more scalps. Children's and women's scalps almost worthless.
Tell?
I can tell you about the racial laws of Nazi Germany and America:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws

Even Hitler could not outdo the Americans in racial matters.

But why? How does this relate to the discussion?

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May be enough to wag the ass like a girl of easy virtue?
You promised

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You keep deflecting the discussion. This thread is about Russia and Ukraine, not about American history. Telling people "Your country has done bad things, too" is not a defense to "What Russia is doing is wrong".
If you have a defense for Russia's actions, tell us, but please stop changing the subject.

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Andy9o8

You keep deflecting the discussion. This thread is about Russia and Ukraine, not about American history. Telling people "Your country has done bad things, too" is not a defense to "What Russia is doing is wrong".
If you have a defense for Russia's actions, tell us, but please stop changing the subject.

Reread the topic again.
Try to draw objective conclusions.
I do not understand why the theme repeatedly raised the issue of Communists Georgian Stalin, Ukrainians Khrushchev and their deeds. And why action Georgians and Ukrainians put the blame Russian people.
How can it be related to current events.
Friends you have the logic all right?

Stalin - an ethnic Georgian.
Khrushchev - an ethnic Ukrainian.
KGB founder Dzerzhinsky - an ethnic Pole.
Can tell they did not know?

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Nelyubin

***You keep deflecting the discussion. This thread is about Russia and Ukraine, not about American history. Telling people "Your country has done bad things, too" is not a defense to "What Russia is doing is wrong".
If you have a defense for Russia's actions, tell us, but please stop changing the subject.

Reread the topic again.
Try to draw objective conclusions.
I do not understand why the theme repeatedly raised the issue of Communists Georgian Stalin, Ukrainians Khrushchev and their deeds. And why action Georgians and Ukrainians put the blame Russian people.
How can it be related to current events.
Friends you have the logic all right?

Stalin - an ethnic Georgian.
Khrushchev - an ethnic Ukrainian.
KGB founder Dzerzhinsky - an ethnic Pole.
Can tell they did not know?

If you have a defense for Russia's current actions in the Ukraine, please tell us.

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Andy9o8

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Learn to read in other languages.

kvak.

i just got to this thread

that's just plain funny

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Hi Andy,

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If you have a defense for Russia's current actions in the Ukraine, please tell us.

He would if he could.

The problem is, he can't. Therefore, he keeps saying, 'Hey, look over here.'



JerryBaumchen

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RobertMBlevins

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Thank god the US doesn't have anyplace it tosses people it doesn't like into and keeps them for years and years on end.

Actually, we do. It's a major business in America, i.e. Feeding the System. We currently have more than two million of our own citizens imprisoned, and the biggest reason is drug crimes.


So can you tell me the last time we gave 2 year prison sentences to teenage girls who sang rude songs about the President in a church?

Or the last time the government jailed a Mikhail Khodorkovsky type (think Buffet or Gates) to take his assets from him?

The drug laws, particularly around possession, are inappropriate in my opinion, but they're not ambiguous.

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How about locking people up indefinitely with no charges?

I have to say, watching everyone trying to claim moral high ground over the russians here is pretty sad. I'm not saying what they are doing is right, however people in glass houses and all that...

Never try to eat more than you can lift

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rehmwa

***

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Learn to read in other languages.

kvak.

i just got to this thread

that's just plain funny

I couldn't agree more.

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Stumpy

I have to say, watching everyone trying to claim moral high ground over the russians here is pretty sad. I'm not saying what they are doing is right, however people in glass houses and all that...

And so the thread comes full circle from where I started it.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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Andy9o8

You keep deflecting the discussion. This thread is about Russia and Ukraine, not about American history. Telling people "Your country has done bad things, too" is not a defense to "What Russia is doing is wrong".
If you have a defense for Russia's actions, tell us, but please stop changing the subject.

Gee you noticed that too.. I was waiting for a treatise on the glory of living in the Soviet Union and all the great things Comrade Stalin did for Russians... not so much for other people though.

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Stumpy

How about locking people up indefinitely with no charges?

Quantanimo is not defensible, but note that those are non citizens in warzones. They don't get all constitutional protections that citizens do. Russians, otoh, aren't safe for doing basic activities like speaking or owning a business.

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I have to say, watching everyone trying to claim moral high ground over the russians here is pretty sad. I'm not saying what they are doing is right, however people in glass houses and all that...

It's not hard to claim high ground over Putin. He himself gave Obama flack last year for exactly what he has been doing this week. He also protected Syria leadership against reprisals for their human rights violations, and seems to be doing the same here.

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kelpdiver

***How about locking people up indefinitely with no charges?

Quantanimo is not defensible, but note that those are non citizens in warzones. They don't get all constitutional protections that citizens do. Russians, otoh, aren't safe for doing basic activities like speaking or owning a business.

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I have to say, watching everyone trying to claim moral high ground over the russians here is pretty sad. I'm not saying what they are doing is right, however people in glass houses and all that...

It's not hard to claim high ground over Putin. He himself gave Obama flack last year for exactly what he has been doing this week. He also protected Syria leadership against reprisals for their human rights violations, and seems to be doing the same here.

If Putin was an American conservative... with all the macho man stuff he is exhibiting.. and then anti-gay legislation..... the track record of such behavior would certainly indicate some wide stance toe tapping.. I mean that is a whole lot of butchin it up over yonder.

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Skyrad

A moral case for not intervening can be made. The Ukrainian opposition are mainly comprised of armed Nazis and Fascists who are very hostile to the ethnic Russian population. I'm no fan of Putin but if he want to go and off some Nazis good luck to him.

Hmmm this report reminded me of this post... http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/liz-wahl-rt-whitewashes-putins-actions-183821891508?cid=sm_facebook_video

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JerryBaumchen

Hi Andy,

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If you have a defense for Russia's current actions in the Ukraine, please tell us.

He would if he could.

The problem is, he can't. Therefore, he keeps saying, 'Hey, look over here.'



JerryBaumchen

Jerry obviously you did not read the thread disskusii .
I'm tired of repeating every beginner :
1) In the Crimea Russia has military bases .
2) In the Crimea have military families . Many do not live on the bases. In the cities and villages of the Crimea . Away from the bases. Historically .
3) The authorities in Kiev (not in Ukraine) came candid Nazis . They openly threatened the families of Russian troops in the Crimea. They have already started their arrests of political opponents. In Kiev about 100 people were killed, wounded more than 600.
4) In this situation, Putin asked for advice on how to enter the federation additional troops to protect the families of Russian servicemen .
5) This stopped the Nazis from violence against the families of Russian servicemen .

To me speak: - " But Grandpa Stalin .. "
The question arises , these people with head all right ?

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Well, prior to the collapse of the previous government, there were multiple credible reports of injured protesters being grabbed from hospitals.
They were sometimes arrested by government security forces, sometimes they were just kidnapped by the pro-Russian militas.

Many were beaten severely. Some were found dead in a ditch somewhere. A lot of them are still missing.

I don't find it terribly surprising that there are now reprisals against the pro-Russian side. I don't think it's a good thing, but it's not surprising.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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You do not find it surprising that people had been shot in the modern supporters of the government (Maidan)? Including and their supporters.

Earlier I gave a link to the recording of the telephone conversation. Here Russia's representative to the UN specifies situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvoPkGPvEW4#t=15
You do not wonder that modern Ukrainian government refused to investigate these Kill? Only it says a lot.

Write in the Polish newspaper about "peace" nationalists that nationalists did.
http://www.kresy.pl/wydarzenia,spoleczenstwo?zobacz/nacjonalisci-ukrainscy-sterroryzowali-polski-autobus
It is very difficult to suspect modern Poles of sympathies for Russia.

Or read an interview with Paul Craig Roberts:
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/26/ukrainian-neo-nazis-declare-power-comes-barrels-guns/