Duke law student defends her involvement in porn to pay tuition. Opinions?

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lawrocket

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Why is porn okay, but prostitution is not

The way I've seen it, porn has artistic content.

No. Art is art and porn is porn.

"...I know it when I see it..." -- Justice Potter Stewart

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Why is porn okay, but prostitution is not

The way I've seen it, porn has artistic content.

No. Art is art and porn is porn.

"...I know it when I see it..." -- Justice Potter Stewart

Porn is anything that gives the judge an erection.

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shropshire

Her choice.. but she'll have fucked (!!) up some of her chances for corporate work later.

Image and credibility are important to some folks .. others not so much.

Like I said - she alone made the choice.

This here is a big part of what she was driving at in the article though - why the hell should her doing porn have anything to do with her image/credibility? If anything (with respect to a law degree) it should show strong real-world experience with contract law at the very least.

Not aiming this at you specifically, but the idea that willingly engaging in sex-work somehow lessens the participant is the societal framework she's (for good reason) railing against.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvWCdnkPkPE We really, really need to collectively deal with this and move on...

You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly.

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winsor

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Why is porn okay, but prostitution is not

The way I've seen it, porn has artistic content.

No. Art is art and porn is porn.
"...I know it when I see it..." -- Justice Potter Stewart
Porn is anything that gives the judge an erection.

Hmmm, seems like a pretty shaky standard.

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Why is porn okay, but prostitution is not

The way I've seen it, porn has artistic content.

No. Art is art and porn is porn.
"...I know it when I see it..." -- Justice Potter Stewart
Porn is anything that gives the judge an erection.

Hmmm, seems like a pretty shaky standard.

You figure?

Anyhow, the original comment was in reference to obscenity. I thought it was attributed to Mencken, but is comes up as anonymous.

[PiLFy 0]

You Guys can politically correct-speak this all you want. She's whoring herself out to pay for school. It's just as immoral as it would be if a guy was doing it. Whether or not she eventually graduates, this will follow her in her professional & personal lives. As well, It should.

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PiLFy

You Guys can politically correct-speak this all you want. She's whoring herself out to pay for school. It's just as immoral as it would be if a guy was doing it. Whether or not she eventually graduates, this will follow her in her professional & personal lives. As well, It should.

She's an adult, she's making decisions on what she wants to do with her own body.

What's immoral is assholes who try and tell people what they can and cannot do with their own body. If she wants to take dick on camera for money, that doesn't affect anyone but other consenting adults.

cavete terrae.

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"What's immoral is are assholes who try and tell people what they can and cannot do with their own body."

I never said I had the right to tell her not to do that. Only that I disapprove, & am glad consequences will follow her choices.

Don't worry, Grue. There will still be plenty of porn for you to spend hours viewing ...

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PiLFy

You Guys can politically correct-speak this all you want. She's whoring herself out to pay for school. It's just as immoral as it would be if a guy was doing it. Whether or not she eventually graduates, this will follow her in her professional & personal lives. As well, It should.

I'll bite - what exactly is immoral about her actions?

You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly.

[PiLFy 0]

"I'll bite - what exactly is immoral about her actions?"

I didn't put my opinion out there as bait. If you even have to ask? Never mind...

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PiLFy

"What's immoral is are assholes who try and tell people what they can and cannot do with their own body."

I never said I had the right to tell her not to do that. Only that I disapprove, & am glad consequences will follow her choices.

Don't worry, Grue. There will still be plenty of porn for you to spend hours viewing ...

There better be. If crybaby goody two-shoes fundies ruin my porn viewing I am gonna bring back the whole "feed 'em to the lions" thing

cavete terrae.

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mistercwood

***You Guys can politically correct-speak this all you want. She's whoring herself out to pay for school. It's just as immoral as it would be if a guy was doing it. Whether or not she eventually graduates, this will follow her in her professional & personal lives. As well, It should.

I'll bite - what exactly is immoral about her actions?

Don't you know? Everyone should work some shit retail job in uni that won't make a dent in the overpriced tuition bill. Not participating in that scam is immoral.

cavete terrae.

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PiLFy

If you even have to ask?

The question is, where is that line and who decides?

Is that line drawn by religious fanatics in the Middle-East who believe women should be completely clothed from head to toe? No; we certainly don't want THAT level of religious fanaticism. That's not "Christian," so we go a step further away from that, but honestly, what is the freakin' difference as long as it's being dictated by some "religious" group?

There may, in fact, be several reasons to be against porn, but religious grounds and a religious view of the morality of what consenting adults do shouldn't enter into the discussion.

If you don't like porn, don't watch it, but there are a hell of a lot of other industries I find far more morally corrupt, industries whose main product is to kill people.

I mean, FFS, porn isn't even listed in the 10 Commandments, but murder sure as hell is.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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PiLFy

"I'll bite - what exactly is immoral about her actions?"

I didn't put my opinion out there as bait. If you even have to ask? Never mind...

I was actually genuinely curious on what moral framework you were coming from - there's no such thing as truly objective morality, as far as I'm concerned.

For me, immoral acts generally arise when there's a question of harm - theft, violence, emotional abuse etc. In fact I'd generally say the most evil acts perpetrated by human beings always start with the simple act of treating people like things instead of people.

Would you agree with this framework for morality? If so, where's the harm in her actions? If not, where do we differ in our approach, and how does it apply here? Just dismissing my original question because you don't agree with her actions doesn't exactly open up the discussion...

You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly.

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Can somebody link her work? Otherwise this thread I stupid

Rat for Life - Fly till I die
When them stupid ass bitches ask why

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78RATS

Can somebody link her work? Otherwise this thread I stupid

"Research" purposes, right?

You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly.

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78RATS

Can somebody link her work? Otherwise this thread I stupid

Belle Knox. I'd rate 6.5/10 or so.

cavete terrae.

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quade

***If you even have to ask?

The question is, where is that line and who decides?

Is that line drawn by religious fanatics in the Middle-East who believe women should be completely clothed from head to toe? No; we certainly don't want THAT level of religious fanaticism. That's not "Christian," so we go a step further away from that, but honestly, what is the freakin' difference as long as it's being dictated by some "religious" group?

There may, in fact, be several reasons to be against porn, but religious grounds and a religious view of the morality of what consenting adults do shouldn't enter into the discussion.

If you don't like porn, don't watch it, but there are a hell of a lot of other industries I find far more morally corrupt, industries whose main product is to kill people.

I mean, FFS, porn isn't even listed in the 10 Commandments, but murder sure as hell is.


I can assure you that the "fundies" if my rather conservative extended family is any measure are certainly consumers on a pretty regular basis of the porn industry. One poster was mentioning sexual perversions.. I think conservatives have a pretty good idea of what is truly perveted... from a HELL of a lot of personal experience.. but what the HELL.. tomorrow morning the pews will be full for a few hours... then back to business as usual.

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PiLFy

"I'll bite - what exactly is immoral about her actions?"

I didn't put my opinion out there as bait. If you even have to ask? Never mind...

His was a completely valid question and you ducked it....

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if you even have to ask?

Of course we have to ask .. how can we know where YOUR Moral Compass points?

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[PiLFy 0]

"There better be. If crybaby goody two-shoes fundies ruin my porn viewing I am gonna bring back the whole "feed 'em to the lions" thing"

Wacky Aussie slang ? What the Heck is a "Fundie"???

About those Lions, Grue. We didn't let our Govt. take away our guns, & I'm no lamb. A lot of lions, & people hiding behind them, would go before me.

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PiLFy

What the Heck is a "Fundie"???

You have to ask? Oh well... never mind

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[PiLFy 0]

"Is that line drawn by religious fanatics in the Middle-East who believe women should be completely clothed from head to toe? No; we certainly don't want THAT level of religious fanaticism. That's not "Christian," so we go a step further away from that, but honestly, what is the freakin' difference as long as it's being dictated by some "religious" group?"

You've got the wrong guy . I don't believe in ANY organized religions. Like I'd let a bunch of closet pedophiles dictated my moral compass ... Them, or any of the other fictionally-based belief systems in the world. That's definitely not why I disapprove.

We do agree on the evils of corporate America, though.

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"His was a completely valid question and you ducked it...."

I didn't duck a thing. I stated my personal opinion. I didn't state it to (from my perspective) argue the obvious.

"Of course we have to ask .. how can we know where YOUR Moral Compass points?"

My opinion tells you that. Are you intentionally being obtuse? Oh wait, this is SC. Never mind ...

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We used to have our own porn star here on dz.com. Interesting how I don't remember a lot of negatively judgmental threads to her face.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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"For me, immoral acts generally arise when there's a question of harm - theft, violence, emotional abuse etc. In fact I'd generally say the most evil acts perpetrated by human beings always start with the simple act of treating people like things instead of people."

Ok, I wasn't putting my opinion out there to initiate a long debate about it. To me, you either get it or don't. I agree w/your framework. I'll add this test to it, though:

[I]Would I want this person around my young children? Would I want my children to like/trust/want to emulate him/her?