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Duke law student defends her involvement in porn to pay tuition. Opinions?

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"Either you've explained or you haven't. If you have explained, you can't say i have no idea what your opinion is. If you say I have no idea what your opinion is, you concede that you haven't explained. Pick one."

I explained enough of my position for SC members who don't feel like being Ass Hats to understand...

"So what constitutes failed parenting? Attempting to speak for 35,000 USPA members? Since I never asked you what constituted failed parenting I can only attempt to interpret your statement in the context it is in. If your comment about parenting had nothing to do with skydiving then you need to learn how to construct a coherent paragraph."


You're intentionally only quoting part of the relevant exchange. You said you speak for 35K USPA members, plus all BASE jumpers. You don't. I said if your kid ends up being a piece of meat in skin flix. You're a failure as a parent. Again, not hard to comprehend for the non-Ass Hat members of SC.

"Validated to anyone who has half a clue? So far I count at least six people who've questioned why you hold your opinion and zero people who agree that you've explained it."


Wrong. Other members came to see that I never intended a long discourse to validate my reasoning to people like you. Accept it or not. I won't be drawn into a long waste of my time by SC Ass Hats...

"And you're still spending far more time and effort explaining that you're not going to waste time explaining your position than than it would have taken to explain your position in the first place. I guess you just really like ranting."

You Funny :P... I'm not ranting. I'm not wasting time or effort, either. I'm just swatting an SC pest while my dinner cooks. Carry on...

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But society benefits from a good base education. I find that North America absolutely fails at that.



So does Australia and from what I can tell the UK.

English speaking countries apparently just turn out idiots from their schools.
cavete terrae.

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"English speaking countries apparently just turn out idiots from their schools."


No Grue, English-speaking countries put far more emphasis on screwing students over w/exorbitant loans. Almost everyone w/o two credit cards crammed up their backsides by Daddy Moneybags is screwed. Other Countries invest in their future. America screws its future over.

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"English speaking countries apparently just turn out idiots from their schools."


No Grue, English-speaking countries put far more emphasis on screwing students over w/exorbitant loans. Almost everyone w/o two credit cards crammed up their backsides by Daddy Moneybags is screwed. Other Countries invest in their future. America screws its future over.



I'm talking about high school :D

I cannot believe how poor of a grasp on English, math and science someone can have and still have a high school diploma.
cavete terrae.

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"I'm talking about high school Laugh. I cannot believe how poor of a grasp on English, math and science someone can have and still have a high school diploma."


Ah, yes. I can't believe some of what I learn about the under-prep that Kids are receiving nowadays. Schools in the US are geared towards making sure they get maximum federal dollars, not quality of education. It's a broken system over here.

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So your interpretation of the judge's interpretation is that 'moral' means absolutely nothing at all?




Almost. I think the word means whatever the user wants it to mean. It is therefore irrelevant. Kind of like the word 'fair' that's bandied about so much lately. If you throw it over into the religious camp, it can be used or not as you please, but at least we admit that there is no objective standard.
I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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You said you speak for 35K USPA members, plus all BASE jumpers.



No I didn't. Where did you get that nonsense from?

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I said if your kid ends up being a piece of meat in skin flix. You're a failure as a parent.



No, you didn't, but thanks for clarifiying what you meant to write. You see, it wasn't so awfully hard, now was it?

But you also said that a morality test is if parents want their kids to do something. Many parnets wouldn't want their kids to skydive or BASE jump. So is it immoral to do so?

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Wrong. Other members came to see that I never intended a long discourse to validate my reasoning to people like you. Accept it or not. I won't be drawn into a long waste of my time



Beg to differ, on both counts.

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I'm not ranting. I'm not wasting time or effort, either. I'm just swatting an SC pest while my dinner cooks. Carry on...



Not ranting? So what do you call an insult filled, content free diatribe? And BTW, your dinner's been cooking nearly four days now. You'd better check it isn't burnt:)
(Really, four days? It's a long time to spend explaining why you won't spnd time explaining a position that's wrong anyway.)
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Almost. I think the word means whatever the user wants it to mean. It is therefore irrelevant. Kind of like the word 'fair' that's bandied about so much lately. If you throw it over into the religious camp, it can be used or not as you please, but at least we admit that there is no objective standard.



Then if you think morality has no meaning at all outside of personal interpretation why didn't you just say so? Going down the religious route is not only irrelevant but limits the scope of your actual definition.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I think you're talking past each other. Based on Davjohns posting history and what he posted originally, I got the impression he was quite content for them to put "morality" in the realm of preachers and philosophers as that meant keeping it the hell away from the courts and preventing people from trying to legislate morality. But I'm sure I'll get politely corrected if I'm off-base... :P

You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly.

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My feelings on this are mixed.

I have been to countries where rather a few of the mothers and grandmothers about had done a requisite stint as a prostitute in their youth, returning to start a family when they had a sufficient dowry amassed. It did not appear to be a big deal, but I have been wrong on that count before.

The biggest issues that come to mind with being in an industry where everyone is swapping bodily fluids is STDs. If you're cool with chlamydia, genital herpes, HPV, NSU, HIV, genital warts, clap, syph and whatever else comes down with the pike, have at it.

As far as morality goes, that was covered in a wonderful essay on prostitution by H. L. Mencken. Not a real big factor, all things being told.

As to perversion, that has been defined as anything you, personally, wouldn't do. I am sure that I have friends and acquaintances who, if they were to indulge in the bad taste necessary to provide details of their sex lives, would describe things to which my reaction is "ick!"

'Don't ask, don't tell' works for me all around.

The way that she was outed by someone shows malicious intent on their part. I think the kid handled the issue rather well, all things being equal.

As a Freshman, the ethical ramifications of her part-time job as related to the legal profession are moot. Then again, given the truly sociopathic conduct of a large portion of the legal profession (some of my best friends are lawyers...), her penchant for naked amusement on camera is tame by comparison.

The kid is eminently serviceable and, if I were her age and didn't know her background, would be counting my lucky stars if she threw herself at me. I'll take 'that sounds like fun' over 'don't touch me there - I don't touch myself there!' any day. However, being squeamish about incurable diseases, I would likely turn her down (kicking myself the whole time) if I knew her track record.

I consider her work in porn to be orders of magnitude more ethical than True Love (tm) as practiced at your average Frat. The standards of behavior there would result in well-deserved prison sentences all around, and there are rather a few attorneys whose sexual exploits as undergrads included a fair amount of date-rape of one description or another. I guess Pig Parties are legal...


BSBD,

Winsor

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Well...I think I did. Here's the quote from my first post.

"Immoral? I recall a court decision years ago that said 'moral' was a religious term and defined those things prohibited by god or God. I'm actually pretty comfortable with that definition. It effectively leaves it up to individual discretion and outside the realm of law. Someone have a better definition?"

The reference to God seemed to tweak your nose. That wasn't my intent.

From my viewpoint, people use 'god's law', 'fair', 'moral', 'ethical', and other 'fuzzy' words that appear absolute, but are not. When they appeal to those notions in their arguments, I know their arguments are not logical. Their premises are subject to extreme interpretation. That means their conclusions are not truly conclusions, but a personal belief.
I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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The legal profession is consistently one of the most despised in America. Right now, member of Congress ranks at the bottom of the list in most polls, and members of Congress are overwhelmingly lawyers.
I just hate to see a talented young person throw away her morals and good name for the sake of a few dollars.
You don't have to outrun the bear.

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Congress AND morals in a single post.

That's just funny.


Just because someone else's morals differ from mine, doesn't make either one right or wrong, just different.
Passing judgment on others because one disagrees with them is wrong.
I couldn't possibly care less what someone's beliefs are.

She's not the first college girl to use her body to make money.
She won't be the last.

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Passing judgment on others because one disagrees with them is wrong.



:D:D:D
I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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It's certainly a better financial plan than I had before going to law school. I graduated totally buried in student loans and have to pay over $2K a month now, because the private lenders don't give a damn that you have to eat and pay rent or that you have other student loans also. I'm limited jobwise (can't take a job I really want because it's a pay cut), location wise (can't move out of state without taking another bar exam), and credit wise (student loans have totally screwed over my debt to income ratio to the point where I can't even get approved for a car loan). Full time law students were prohibited from working more than a certain number of hours per week, so there are very few part time jobs that pay enough. Three girls I went to school with were strippers. As far as I know they graduated with very few if any private student loans, and two are corporate law associates today and the third is a partner in a firm.

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"You said you speak for 35K USPA members, plus all BASE jumpers."

"No I didn't. Where did you get that nonsense from?"


"And is your argument simply that it's immoral because parents wouldn't want their kids to do it? Because in that case a pretty high percentage of skydivers and BASE jumpers must be bad people."

You inferred that most skydivers & BASE jumpers wouldn't mind having their children grow up to be fuck (& piss/shit/+ unknown humiliations) bunnies. You only speak for yourself.

"You also don't speak for 35,000 USPA members, plus however many BASE jumpers there are. IMO, that would constitute failed parenting, yes."

"No, you didn't, but thanks for clarifiying what you meant to write."


You're actually equating skydiving w/becoming a diseased, amoral sack???


"Many parnets wouldn't want their kids to skydive or BASE jump. So is it immoral to do so?"




"Wrong. Other members came to see that I never intended a long discourse to validate my reasoning to people like you. Accept it or not. I won't be drawn into a long waste of my time."


"Beg to differ, on both counts."


Differ all you please. Guarantee you I'm not phased...

"I'm not ranting. I'm not wasting time or effort, either. I'm just swatting an SC pest while my dinner cooks. Carry on..."

"Not ranting? So what do you call an insult filled, content free diatribe? And BTW, your dinner's been cooking nearly four days now. You'd better check it isn't burntSmile

(Really, four days? It's a long time to spend explaining why you won't spnd time explaining a position that's wrong anyway.)"


Right, I've been cooking for five days straight, now :S. More like 10-15 minutes per night, smart guy. This is how you find enjoyment in life, Jakee? Starting shit from behind a keyboard? Can't say that I'm impressed. Continue to waste your time, if you like. I'm done telling you to piss off. You'll have to figure it out for yourself, from now on. Good Luck w/that. You seem pretty dense to grasp the concept.

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You inferred that most skydivers & BASE jumpers wouldn't mind having their children grow up to be fuck (& piss/shit/+ unknown humiliations) bunnies. You only speak for yourself.



Wow. That's quite a leap you've made there!:D

I meant there are a lot of parents that don't want their kids to skydive or BASE jump, ya freakin' idiot. According to you that should mean that skydiving and BASE jumping is immoral. Like I said, you've probably picked a tough crowd for that argument.

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You're actually equating skydiving w/becoming a diseased, amoral sack???



No. Who's a diseased amoral sack?

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Right, I've been cooking for five days straight, now Crazy. More like 10-15 minutes per night, smart guy. This is how you find enjoyment in life, Jakee? Starting shit from behind a keyboard? Can't say that I'm impressed. Continue to waste your time, if you like. I'm done telling you to piss off. You'll have to figure it out for yourself, from now on. Good Luck w/that. You seem pretty dense to grasp the concept.



You know what, in the face of your calm, reasoned arguments I can see now that I have been unfairly ranting at you. I'm so sorry.

(And BTW, maybe in your next 15 minutes of not wasting your time defending a position that a five year old could show you was wrong you could learn how the forum formatting works. That way it won't look like you had alphabet soup for dinner and vomited on the screen.)
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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why is jakee allowed to call someone a freakin' idiot in the above post? I thought pa's were not allowed?
If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

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