Boogers 0 #1 February 5, 2014 News: "Medical Marijuana Users in Illinois to Forfeit Right to Bear Arms" Quote: "Illinois is allowing patients with over 41 medical conditions to legally smoke pot, but a new plan proposed by state officials will require them to give up their Second Amendment rights – the right to own a gun. They will also be fingerprinted, have a background check run on them, and pay $150 a year for the right to smoke up." Link: http://naturalsociety.com/medical-marijuana-users-will-forfeit-right-bear-arms/ So, if you had to choose between your guns and your pot, which would you keep? Hey, notice how the poll choices rhyme... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 0 #2 February 5, 2014 Interesting poll there, "Boogers". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,381 #3 February 5, 2014 Sure, that makes sense...if they also require anyone who drinks to give up the right to own a gun. "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 3 #4 February 5, 2014 ryoder Sure, that makes sense...if they also require anyone who drinks to give up the right to own a gun. Actually, that would make a hell of a lot of sense for people with certain types of alcohol fueled anger issues.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Boogers 0 #5 February 5, 2014 quade ***Sure, that makes sense...if they also require anyone who drinks to give up the right to own a gun. Actually, that would make a hell of a lot of sense for people with certain types of alcohol fueled anger issues. In that case they've probably already got a criminal record, and the background check will catch 'em. But along that line, why the fingerprints? Are they expecting pot smokers to be out committing crimes, and this will help catch them when they do? Is it fair to treat them like criminals, when they haven't actually done anything to deserve that yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pacific 0 #6 February 5, 2014 I can't contribute...the poll is for pot smoking gun owners. I say it's a fair law. I think their right to vote should also be taken away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 622 #7 February 5, 2014 That sounds constitutional. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,381 #8 February 5, 2014 quade ***Sure, that makes sense...if they also require anyone who drinks to give up the right to own a gun. Actually, that would make a hell of a lot of sense for people with certain types of alcohol fueled anger issues. Exactly. I've been assaulted by drunks. I've never been assaulted by a pot smoker. Of all the legal and illegal drugs I've been around, the most physically & mentally debilitating one is still alcohol."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 622 #9 February 5, 2014 With the oxy family coming in a close second. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,121 #10 February 5, 2014 ryoder ******Sure, that makes sense...if they also require anyone who drinks to give up the right to own a gun. Actually, that would make a hell of a lot of sense for people with certain types of alcohol fueled anger issues. Exactly. I've been assaulted by drunks. I've never been assaulted by a pot smoker. Of all the legal and illegal drugs I've been around, the most physically & mentally debilitating one is still alcohol. except that a beer doesn't make one intoxicated, one joint does tend to have that effect. Some people have a drink because they enjoy the taste. How many people smoke dope, not to get stoned, but for the refined taste of the substance? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 0 #11 February 5, 2014 QuoteSome people have a drink because they enjoy the taste. How many people smoke dope, not to get stoned, but for the refined taste of the substance? There was a time when people could distinguish between the taste of Columbian, Mexican, Jamaican, Blonde, Panama Red, etc. So I'm told. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,381 #12 February 5, 2014 SkyDekker *********Sure, that makes sense...if they also require anyone who drinks to give up the right to own a gun. Actually, that would make a hell of a lot of sense for people with certain types of alcohol fueled anger issues. Exactly. I've been assaulted by drunks. I've never been assaulted by a pot smoker. Of all the legal and illegal drugs I've been around, the most physically & mentally debilitating one is still alcohol. except that a beer doesn't make one intoxicated, one joint does tend to have that effect. Some people have a drink because they enjoy the taste. How many people smoke dope, not to get stoned, but for the refined taste of the substance? Apples and oranges. How many pot smokers lose their physical coordination? How many pot smokers become unpredictable and violent? How many pot smokers think it is suddenly a good idea to drive twice the speed limit? And if some drinkers are all about flavor and not getting a buzz, then why are non-alcoholic beer and wine sales nearly non-existent?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,121 #13 February 5, 2014 Andy9o8QuoteSome people have a drink because they enjoy the taste. How many people smoke dope, not to get stoned, but for the refined taste of the substance? There was a time when people could distinguish between the taste of Columbian, Mexican, Jamaican, Blonde, Panama Red, etc. So I'm told. Yup and they would be able to tell which one they prefered to get stoned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,121 #14 February 5, 2014 ryoder ************Sure, that makes sense...if they also require anyone who drinks to give up the right to own a gun. Actually, that would make a hell of a lot of sense for people with certain types of alcohol fueled anger issues. Exactly. I've been assaulted by drunks. I've never been assaulted by a pot smoker. Of all the legal and illegal drugs I've been around, the most physically & mentally debilitating one is still alcohol. except that a beer doesn't make one intoxicated, one joint does tend to have that effect. Some people have a drink because they enjoy the taste. How many people smoke dope, not to get stoned, but for the refined taste of the substance? Apples and oranges. How many pot smokers lose their physical coordination? How many pot smokers become unpredictable and violent? How many pot smokers think it is suddenly a good idea to drive twice the speed limit? And if some drinkers are all about flavor and not getting a buzz, then why are non-alcoholic beer and wine sales nearly non-existent? Because the non-alcoholic version doesn't taste as good. You are comparing pot smokers to those who are drunk, then using that comparison to draw parallels to pot smokers and drinkers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 622 #15 February 5, 2014 This is still true, actually more so given the focus on the strains for certain traits of the plant. VERY helpful in the medicinal use. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,381 #16 February 5, 2014 SkyDekker Because the non-alcoholic version doesn't taste as good. You are comparing pot smokers to those who are drunk, then using that comparison to draw parallels to pot smokers and drinkers. The best comparison of drinkers to smokers is to compare a social drinker who has had less than 1-2 drinks, to a smoker who *has* smoked enough to get a buzz. There is simply no comparison of a *drunk* to a smoker, because marijuana can't cause that level physical/mental incapacitation."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites regulator 0 #17 February 5, 2014 Neither. Because I wouldn't step back into illinois. That being said I found recently that even though I knew smoking weed is a double edged sword. It holds me back in a financial way because I could get a much better job without it. However it does allow me to just flip a mental switch and temporarily 'forget' about all the abuse I endured as a child. I have a very good memory and now that I have tried to quit for the past few weeks I have remembered so much I want it to stop...but it keeps flowing into my mind. Coupled with the fact that I've been going to therapy and remembering even more the past few weeks have been pretty rough. Some days I feel like driving my car off a bridge to stop remembering...and others I soldier on like it never happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #18 February 5, 2014 Quote How many pot smokers think it is suddenly a good idea to drive twice the speed limit? Very few. But they also tend to go too slow. Driving too slow can be just as dangerous as driving too fast. Back when I called Mile-Hi Skydiving my home DZ, after an end of the day Safety Meeting and driving back home to Boulder on the Diagonal, I had to remind myself that I was on a highway and was expected to travel at the very least the minimum posted speed limit. It goes both ways here. People are still impaired. LOL ... did I just out myself? Haha ... I am clean now, honest. Test me. But I could drop a few high profile names (which I won't of course) of some folks who also attended some Safety Meetings. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites regulator 0 #19 February 5, 2014 Some people handle things differently. Some drive bad without being impared. Not everyone is alike. For me I concentrate better. But once again not every situation is the same for every person. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 622 #20 February 5, 2014 My best friend was an alcoholic. He would be stumbling down drunk walking around....the second he sat on his sled, he was the best rider in the pack. Always scared for him when I saw him headed to his bike. Floored when I followed him and saw how good he rode. I don't think it removed any risk though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #21 February 5, 2014 Boogers But along that line, why the fingerprints? Are they expecting pot smokers to be out committing crimes, and this will help catch them when they do? Is it fair to treat them like criminals, when they haven't actually done anything to deserve that yet? may be as simple as wanting another verification that the holder of the pot ID card is in fact the person it says. And no, not appropriate, just as it isn't for would be ammo purchasers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PiLFy 0 #22 February 5, 2014 You left out a fourth choice: Move out of Illinois to any one of the states where both are your right to have legally. I've had to deal w/some nasty drunks, but never a violent pot smoker. You can definitely tell different types of Marijuana apart: different tastes, smells, prices,& highs. Or, so I've heard ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #23 February 6, 2014 PiLFyYou left out a fourth choice: Move out of Illinois to any one of the states where both are your right to have legally. Where would that be? The Feds still don't acknowledge the rights of people in WA or CO to do it, nor any of the states for medical use. From their perspective, there is no lawful use of marijuana per: Form 4473 11e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,120 #24 February 6, 2014 Dude, keep pushing through. It's kind of like opening up something ugly, but once the pressure is relieved, it can start to heal. Take care. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #25 February 6, 2014 kelpdiver***You left out a fourth choice: Move out of Illinois to any one of the states where both are your right to have legally. Where would that be? The Feds still don't acknowledge the rights of people in WA or CO to do it, nor any of the states for medical use. From their perspective, there is no lawful use of marijuana per: Form 4473 11e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?I wonder how long it will be before the Feds do acknowledge the rights of everyone to use marijuana. The President and his Drug Czar think marijuana is safer than alcohol. The Russians were slaves to vodka. Why not Americans being slaves to marijuana? Keeping the population doped up would lessen the chance of civil unrest, and make it easier to disarm the public. spelling editDo your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 1 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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Andy9o8 0 #2 February 5, 2014 Interesting poll there, "Boogers". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,381 #3 February 5, 2014 Sure, that makes sense...if they also require anyone who drinks to give up the right to own a gun. "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #4 February 5, 2014 ryoder Sure, that makes sense...if they also require anyone who drinks to give up the right to own a gun. Actually, that would make a hell of a lot of sense for people with certain types of alcohol fueled anger issues.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boogers 0 #5 February 5, 2014 quade ***Sure, that makes sense...if they also require anyone who drinks to give up the right to own a gun. Actually, that would make a hell of a lot of sense for people with certain types of alcohol fueled anger issues. In that case they've probably already got a criminal record, and the background check will catch 'em. But along that line, why the fingerprints? Are they expecting pot smokers to be out committing crimes, and this will help catch them when they do? Is it fair to treat them like criminals, when they haven't actually done anything to deserve that yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pacific 0 #6 February 5, 2014 I can't contribute...the poll is for pot smoking gun owners. I say it's a fair law. I think their right to vote should also be taken away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #7 February 5, 2014 That sounds constitutional. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,381 #8 February 5, 2014 quade ***Sure, that makes sense...if they also require anyone who drinks to give up the right to own a gun. Actually, that would make a hell of a lot of sense for people with certain types of alcohol fueled anger issues. Exactly. I've been assaulted by drunks. I've never been assaulted by a pot smoker. Of all the legal and illegal drugs I've been around, the most physically & mentally debilitating one is still alcohol."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #9 February 5, 2014 With the oxy family coming in a close second. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #10 February 5, 2014 ryoder ******Sure, that makes sense...if they also require anyone who drinks to give up the right to own a gun. Actually, that would make a hell of a lot of sense for people with certain types of alcohol fueled anger issues. Exactly. I've been assaulted by drunks. I've never been assaulted by a pot smoker. Of all the legal and illegal drugs I've been around, the most physically & mentally debilitating one is still alcohol. except that a beer doesn't make one intoxicated, one joint does tend to have that effect. Some people have a drink because they enjoy the taste. How many people smoke dope, not to get stoned, but for the refined taste of the substance? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #11 February 5, 2014 QuoteSome people have a drink because they enjoy the taste. How many people smoke dope, not to get stoned, but for the refined taste of the substance? There was a time when people could distinguish between the taste of Columbian, Mexican, Jamaican, Blonde, Panama Red, etc. So I'm told. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,381 #12 February 5, 2014 SkyDekker *********Sure, that makes sense...if they also require anyone who drinks to give up the right to own a gun. Actually, that would make a hell of a lot of sense for people with certain types of alcohol fueled anger issues. Exactly. I've been assaulted by drunks. I've never been assaulted by a pot smoker. Of all the legal and illegal drugs I've been around, the most physically & mentally debilitating one is still alcohol. except that a beer doesn't make one intoxicated, one joint does tend to have that effect. Some people have a drink because they enjoy the taste. How many people smoke dope, not to get stoned, but for the refined taste of the substance? Apples and oranges. How many pot smokers lose their physical coordination? How many pot smokers become unpredictable and violent? How many pot smokers think it is suddenly a good idea to drive twice the speed limit? And if some drinkers are all about flavor and not getting a buzz, then why are non-alcoholic beer and wine sales nearly non-existent?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #13 February 5, 2014 Andy9o8QuoteSome people have a drink because they enjoy the taste. How many people smoke dope, not to get stoned, but for the refined taste of the substance? There was a time when people could distinguish between the taste of Columbian, Mexican, Jamaican, Blonde, Panama Red, etc. So I'm told. Yup and they would be able to tell which one they prefered to get stoned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #14 February 5, 2014 ryoder ************Sure, that makes sense...if they also require anyone who drinks to give up the right to own a gun. Actually, that would make a hell of a lot of sense for people with certain types of alcohol fueled anger issues. Exactly. I've been assaulted by drunks. I've never been assaulted by a pot smoker. Of all the legal and illegal drugs I've been around, the most physically & mentally debilitating one is still alcohol. except that a beer doesn't make one intoxicated, one joint does tend to have that effect. Some people have a drink because they enjoy the taste. How many people smoke dope, not to get stoned, but for the refined taste of the substance? Apples and oranges. How many pot smokers lose their physical coordination? How many pot smokers become unpredictable and violent? How many pot smokers think it is suddenly a good idea to drive twice the speed limit? And if some drinkers are all about flavor and not getting a buzz, then why are non-alcoholic beer and wine sales nearly non-existent? Because the non-alcoholic version doesn't taste as good. You are comparing pot smokers to those who are drunk, then using that comparison to draw parallels to pot smokers and drinkers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #15 February 5, 2014 This is still true, actually more so given the focus on the strains for certain traits of the plant. VERY helpful in the medicinal use. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,381 #16 February 5, 2014 SkyDekker Because the non-alcoholic version doesn't taste as good. You are comparing pot smokers to those who are drunk, then using that comparison to draw parallels to pot smokers and drinkers. The best comparison of drinkers to smokers is to compare a social drinker who has had less than 1-2 drinks, to a smoker who *has* smoked enough to get a buzz. There is simply no comparison of a *drunk* to a smoker, because marijuana can't cause that level physical/mental incapacitation."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #17 February 5, 2014 Neither. Because I wouldn't step back into illinois. That being said I found recently that even though I knew smoking weed is a double edged sword. It holds me back in a financial way because I could get a much better job without it. However it does allow me to just flip a mental switch and temporarily 'forget' about all the abuse I endured as a child. I have a very good memory and now that I have tried to quit for the past few weeks I have remembered so much I want it to stop...but it keeps flowing into my mind. Coupled with the fact that I've been going to therapy and remembering even more the past few weeks have been pretty rough. Some days I feel like driving my car off a bridge to stop remembering...and others I soldier on like it never happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #18 February 5, 2014 Quote How many pot smokers think it is suddenly a good idea to drive twice the speed limit? Very few. But they also tend to go too slow. Driving too slow can be just as dangerous as driving too fast. Back when I called Mile-Hi Skydiving my home DZ, after an end of the day Safety Meeting and driving back home to Boulder on the Diagonal, I had to remind myself that I was on a highway and was expected to travel at the very least the minimum posted speed limit. It goes both ways here. People are still impaired. LOL ... did I just out myself? Haha ... I am clean now, honest. Test me. But I could drop a few high profile names (which I won't of course) of some folks who also attended some Safety Meetings. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #19 February 5, 2014 Some people handle things differently. Some drive bad without being impared. Not everyone is alike. For me I concentrate better. But once again not every situation is the same for every person. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #20 February 5, 2014 My best friend was an alcoholic. He would be stumbling down drunk walking around....the second he sat on his sled, he was the best rider in the pack. Always scared for him when I saw him headed to his bike. Floored when I followed him and saw how good he rode. I don't think it removed any risk though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #21 February 5, 2014 Boogers But along that line, why the fingerprints? Are they expecting pot smokers to be out committing crimes, and this will help catch them when they do? Is it fair to treat them like criminals, when they haven't actually done anything to deserve that yet? may be as simple as wanting another verification that the holder of the pot ID card is in fact the person it says. And no, not appropriate, just as it isn't for would be ammo purchasers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 0 #22 February 5, 2014 You left out a fourth choice: Move out of Illinois to any one of the states where both are your right to have legally. I've had to deal w/some nasty drunks, but never a violent pot smoker. You can definitely tell different types of Marijuana apart: different tastes, smells, prices,& highs. Or, so I've heard ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #23 February 6, 2014 PiLFyYou left out a fourth choice: Move out of Illinois to any one of the states where both are your right to have legally. Where would that be? The Feds still don't acknowledge the rights of people in WA or CO to do it, nor any of the states for medical use. From their perspective, there is no lawful use of marijuana per: Form 4473 11e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,120 #24 February 6, 2014 Dude, keep pushing through. It's kind of like opening up something ugly, but once the pressure is relieved, it can start to heal. Take care. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #25 February 6, 2014 kelpdiver***You left out a fourth choice: Move out of Illinois to any one of the states where both are your right to have legally. Where would that be? The Feds still don't acknowledge the rights of people in WA or CO to do it, nor any of the states for medical use. From their perspective, there is no lawful use of marijuana per: Form 4473 11e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?I wonder how long it will be before the Feds do acknowledge the rights of everyone to use marijuana. The President and his Drug Czar think marijuana is safer than alcohol. The Russians were slaves to vodka. Why not Americans being slaves to marijuana? Keeping the population doped up would lessen the chance of civil unrest, and make it easier to disarm the public. spelling editDo your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
