brenthutch 383 #26 January 28, 2014 DanGQuoteIsn't that exactly what the Democrats are inferring through Obamacare and abortion rights? No, not in the least. Just how does "free stuff from the government" not constitute welfare? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #27 January 28, 2014 brenthutch***QuoteIsn't that exactly what the Democrats are inferring through Obamacare and abortion rights? No, not in the least. Just how does "free stuff from the government" not constitute welfare? My health insurance company (a public corporation) is not "the government", and the benefits it provides are paid for by my premiums. Yet another example of willful ignorance.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #28 January 28, 2014 Another GOP ignoramus (attachment). It should be "were", not "was" in the conditional. Well, there's another problem there too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #29 January 28, 2014 >Just how does "free stuff from the government" not constitute welfare? You mean like social security, medicare, veteran's benefits, roads, the FAA, the CDC etc? (cue the "but that's DIFFERENT! that's free stuff from the government that's not welfare!") Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #30 January 30, 2014 billvon>Just how does "free stuff from the government" not constitute welfare? You mean like social security, medicare, veteran's benefits, roads, the FAA, the CDC etc? (cue the "but that's DIFFERENT! that's free stuff from the government that's not welfare!") I think the difference is what helps all instead of what helps the individual. birth control is required by the government and is given to the individual meaning it is welfare. Roads are built for the use by all meaning not welfare. Social security that is paid for by all and collected by all that paid into the system is not welfare. Maybe if the government made a big bowl of birth control and everyone got to use it when they wanted, like a road, then it would not be considered welfare. No girls I know shares their birth control with everyone else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #31 January 30, 2014 marks2065***>Just how does "free stuff from the government" not constitute welfare? You mean like social security, medicare, veteran's benefits, roads, the FAA, the CDC etc? (cue the "but that's DIFFERENT! that's free stuff from the government that's not welfare!") I think the difference is what helps all instead of what helps the individual. birth control is required by the government and is given to the individual meaning it is welfare. Roads are built for the use by all meaning not welfare. Social security that is paid for by all and collected by all that paid into the system is not welfare. Maybe if the government made a big bowl of birth control and everyone got to use it when they wanted, like a road, then it would not be considered welfare. No girls I know shares their birth control with everyone else. The fallacy is this discussion is that the birth control is "free from the government". It isn't free or from the government. It's from private health insurance companies, and paid for by premiums.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #32 January 30, 2014 >Social security that is paid for by all and collected by all that paid into the system >is not welfare. Neither are welfare programs paid for by sales, income and property taxes. Poor people pay taxes (primarily sales directly and property taxes indirectly) and get government benefits, just as employees pay into social security and get benefits when they retire. In neither case is equity achieved (or even promised.) >birth control is required by the government No, it's not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #33 January 31, 2014 billvon>Social security that is paid for by all and collected by all that paid into the system >is not welfare. Neither are welfare programs paid for by sales, income and property taxes. Poor people pay taxes (primarily sales directly and property taxes indirectly) and get government benefits, just as employees pay into social security and get benefits when they retire. In neither case is equity achieved (or even promised.) >birth control is required by the government No, it's not. If it is not required why are there lawsuits by religious organizations to eliminate it from the health care law? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #34 January 31, 2014 >If it is not required why are there lawsuits by religious organizations to eliminate >it from the health care law? The lawsuits are not because birth control is required by the government. It is because religious organizations do not want to contribute any money/support/effort towards birth control for people who want to use it voluntarily. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #35 January 31, 2014 billvon>If it is not required why are there lawsuits by religious organizations to eliminate >it from the health care law? The lawsuits are not because birth control is required by the government. It is because religious organizations do not want to contribute any money/support/effort towards birth control for people who want to use it voluntarily. The availability is required by law. Not the use. But you knew that.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #36 January 31, 2014 >The availability is required by law. Not the use. Exactly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #37 February 1, 2014 kallend****** Tell them birth control is like welfare. www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/23/why-women-do-not-love-mike-huckabee.html Professor Kallend, your thread should be called "How to get laid by liberal women" because this is just another guy trying to get laid by pretending to defend women by telling them their is a republican monster under their bed. Funny thing is he's attacking himself and liberals because the republican was saying what democrats do, not what republicans think. Jan Poll data show that US women are smart enough to see through GOP propaganda to the anti-woman agenda at the core of the party.Would you leave one of your teenage granddaughters in a room alone with the most famous predator President of all times: Bill Clinton? You seem to forget, women do read, and most are smart enough to see they will get nowhere if they are tricked and trapped in the socialist bondage touted by the democrats. Is it any wonder smart minority women are moving away from the democrats. Since BHO's SOTU address, the Chicago neighborhoods he made empty promises to, are speaking out of his nowhere policies. Your poll data must have come out of a Colorado pot shop.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #38 February 3, 2014 www.cbsnews.com/news/hpv-vaccine-does-not-increase-risky-sexual-behavior-among-young-women-study/ Another anti-woman scare tactic from the religious right bites the dust.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
