Skyrad 0 #1 June 2, 2013 Anyone had any experience of them?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #2 June 2, 2013 I've seen them used for cowboy action competition targeting balloons or paper. I've seen video of them being fired in basement ranges. I've heard of idiots doing fast draw and shooting each other (with no lasting injury). I really doubt you're going to fix a wax bullet able to bring down deer, let alone hogs. Resin may be another story, but I wouldn't chance it. I'd also suggest checking laws where you're considering hunting. I can see it being against the law. It just seems likely to maim the animal. The only personal experience I have with anything close is simunition. It's plastic with colored soap powder inside. It's used for professional "paintball" force on force training. It's useful because it's fired out of real firearms (smaller barrels and charges).witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #3 June 2, 2013 QuoteThe only personal experience I have with anything close is simunition. It's plastic with colored soap powder inside. It's used for professional "paintball" force on force training. It's useful because it's fired out of real firearms (smaller barrels and charges). It's an incredible training tool and fun as well. Switched out the bolt on my AR and the rounds load into my Pmags. The POI is slightly off, but it is close. Although we have dedicated pistols for the Sim training, we do the same there as well. It makes active shooter and other scenario training much better. The rounds are still dangerous, though, they can seriously injure someone if proper precautions aren't taken. They hurt worse than regular paintball too. Wax rounds have a place in the world, paintball markers originated from a device used by ranchers to mark cattle.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #4 June 2, 2013 My biggest gripe is that they can't be used for training on even mildly windy days unless you can train inside. Their low mass and low energy means a light and variable can send your rounds curving in a way that would make MLB pitchers green with envy. Other than that, they're great. My best time with them was low light training. We shot each other up for three days straight. It really teaches you how to stay alive in a house. The helmet was annoying because it deadens sounds, but the training was invaluable.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 51 #5 June 2, 2013 Kennedy...I've heard of idiots doing fast draw and shooting each other (with no lasting injury)... And now you know one. My idiot friends and I did this once when we were teenagers. Think of it as redneck paintball back in 1979, before the advent of paintball. A very bad and painful idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,584 #6 June 2, 2013 I don't think people understand what the OP is talking about. Check out the videos here: http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=246795 These are slugs of lead shot held together with wax."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #7 June 2, 2013 KennedyMy biggest gripe is that they can't be used for training on even mildly windy days unless you can train inside. Their low mass and low energy means a light and variable can send your rounds curving in a way that would make MLB pitchers green with envy. Other than that, they're great. My best time with them was low light training. We shot each other up for three days straight. It really teaches you how to stay alive in a house. The helmet was annoying because it deadens sounds, but the training was invaluable. All of our training with it has been inside. Active shooter, room clearing, building search, indoor scenarios (like family violence calls) and similar. It helps bring the training to a much more realistic level. And who hunts hogs with 1oz slugs? Seems odd. Most everyone I know uses .223, .300 blackout or similar.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #8 June 2, 2013 Exactly.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #9 June 2, 2013 Well I'm glad you all lived through it no worse for the wear.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #10 June 2, 2013 I understand now. That's a very different case. I'd still have reservations about using one for hunting or defense purposes. I do like the idea of shot flying like a slug and then dissipating energy on impact. That's why I used PolyShok IRP rounds. They recoil like buckshot, hit like a slug, but only penetrate like birdshot. They were also accurate. I could print cloverleaf targets from 75 yards with an unimproved 870.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #11 June 2, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfbrP7ujerE Yep, this is what I'm talking about. Not sure how well it would tolerate anything over half choke either. Looks pretty lethal though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LySCerkVrsWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 June 2, 2013 ryoderI don't think people understand what the OP is talking about... No, I knew what he was talking about and I ignored it to engage in the other conversation that started about sim rounds. Honestly I just can't take the OP seriously and haven't for years, so it's hard to stay on topic.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #13 June 2, 2013 Sure you knew, thats why you were banging on about shooting your mates with wax slugs. And you can't take me seriously? No shame in just admitting that you didn't know what was being discussed, people might actually take YOU more seriously if you did. Admit it, it was hard for you to stay on topic as you had no idea what the topic was. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #14 June 2, 2013 I see what they're going for, but I would never use it for hunting or self defense. Those rounds are all over the place. Even if you think the star of the video can't shoot, you can see the curve in the slow motion. Also a video further down tr linked page has the guy on video saying that they are going every which way. Think about it. The shotgun barrel has no rifling. That means these projectiles do not h e imparted spin to stabilize flight. The rounds are put together very randomly. There's no way center of gravity is center of projectile. Without spin, and without quality control guaranteeing uniform composition, these things are basically on random flight paths. If you want to hunt, use professional rounds or build your own shells to SAAMI specs. If you want self defense rounds, I personally believe in PolyShok, but I absolutely advocate using high quality manufacturer's rounds. If you want to save, skimp or your practice rounds. Never on shells meant for living things.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #15 June 2, 2013 I agree with all your points, I'm not going to be using them but I wondered if anyone here does or had experience of them. I also saw a pretty nasty picture of someone who had used one in a Mosberg and it had slide out and went down the barrel prior to being fired which caused the barrel to explode.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #16 June 2, 2013 Skyrad Sure you knew, thats why you were banging on about shooting your mates with wax slugs. And you can't take me seriously? No shame in just admitting that you didn't know what was being discussed, people might actually take YOU more seriously if you did. Admit it, it was hard for you to stay on topic as you had no idea what the topic was. I don't know if Dave was shitting on you, or on the idea of wax slugs. You know, poster vs post topic. If you look back, it was me and another guy talking about pure wax slugs. As for wax and pellet slugs, Dave has probably heard every hair brained half assed idea ever to be muttered from under tin foil when it comes to guns. I'd been blessed to remain ignorant of many of them until now.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,584 #17 June 3, 2013 Kennedy If you want self defense rounds, I personally believe in PolyShok, but I absolutely advocate using high quality manufacturer's rounds. I saw videos of the Polyshok which looked great, but then also found info that they are no longer made."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #18 June 3, 2013 Yeah I'm not sure what happened. It looks like they closed up shop. I'm guessing the rounds were too expensive and they didn't get enough government contracts. They were marked LEO/military only on the last one I had, but they were never going to make big commercial sales to the public. Folks just don't want to spend that much per round.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #19 June 3, 2013 Kennedy Dave has probably heard every hair brained half assed idea ever to be muttered from under tin foil when it comes to guns. I'm had been blessed to remain ignorant of many of them until now. I'm sure there are a few that I haven't heard yet, but yeah I've been "lucky" enough to hear about many of them. At the end of the day there still isn't an effective round made that has the same reliability, accuracy and ability for the cost than a traditional round. I'm sure there are some in the works that will come out over the coming years, we'll see how well they do and what they cost. Ever wonder why hog hunters tend to use semi-auto rifles and carry pistols as backups? Ever seen a pissed off sow tree a grown man?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #20 June 3, 2013 Some good ones here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef6bF4tbtO4 "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dthames 0 #21 June 3, 2013 I made some with a waxy tool dip product that is used to coat sharpened end mills and similar tools for shipment. Using a 41 mag pistol casing (half full of Bulleye powder) like a cookie cutter, I cut a slug out of a 1/2" sheet of this stuff, and crimped the brass. It was a bit oily and would damage the powder if not fired in a day or two. But it would shoot through a 1" pine board at 20 feet. Certainly not the type of thing to play with like a paint ball. At close range in close quarters (varmint in the garage) they were great. They splattered on the concrete if you missed.Instructor quote, “What's weird is that you're older than my dad!” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #22 June 3, 2013 AggieDave Ever wonder why hog hunters tend to use semi-auto rifles and carry pistols as backups? Ever seen a pissed off sow tree a grown man? I've never been pig plinking, but I know I'd want serious power and either trusted backup something to climb if it went sideways. I've seen the results of pissed off pork tearing holes in the side of a wolf (after the fact). It was ugly. I'd consider 223, but I'd want bigger if I could get it. Blackout looks interesting, but I'd be comfortable with 308. A good can is always nice. I missed out, but a friend of mine set up some varied pig hunts. Dog hunts, chopper hunts, and even a few group spear hunts. It's too bad they're basically inedible. It's a lot of rotting meat left in the sun. I completely understand the need deal with uncontrolled destructive animals though.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites