Sure hope you don't want the cops to save your life

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New York (CNN) -- A Hofstra University student who died during a confrontation between a home invasion suspect and authorities was killed by police gunfire, a Nassau County, New York, police spokeswoman said Saturday.
Police fired eight shots at the intruder, who authorities say was holding a gun to the head of 21-year-old Andrea Rebello during a home invasion robbery Friday at an off-campus house in Uniondale.
One of the shots hit Rebello in the head, killing her, police spokeswoman Maureen Roach said.
Also killed was the intruder, who authorities identified as Dalton Smith, 30, of Hempstead. He was struck seven times.
Authorities say Smith, who was wearing a mask, invaded the home Rebello shared with her twin sister and two others during the pre-dawn hours on Friday.
At some point, a female roommate of the twins was able to leave the home and call police, a police spokesman told CNN on Friday.
When a police officer arrived, Smith was holding a gun to Rebello's head, Roach said.
He told the officer he was going to kill Rebello, and then turned the handgun toward the officer, she said.
The officer, fearing for his life, drew his gun and fired, Roach said.
Authorities have not identified the officer. [how convenient]
At the time of the shooting, Smith was wanted for jumping parole, police said.
He was on parole for first-degree robbery and had an "extensive" arrest history that includes robbery, assault, and promoting prison contraband, said police in Nassau County.
A warrant for his arrest was issued April 25 for allegedly absconding from parole, police said
Rebello's high school principal, Carol Conklin-Spillane, said the twins' home community in Westchester, New York, was heartbroken.
She described Rebello as a fun-loving, personable and self-aware young woman.
Her parents, Fernando and Nella Rebello, are closely tied to the Portuguese community, and always worked to create opportunities for their children, Conklin-Spillane said.
Rebello, a junior, was majoring in public relations.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/18/us/new-york-student-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

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This is why we need guns.

[-Joey- 0]

Eight shots, really? He was that scared that he fired eight times indiscriminately as soon as the guy even pointed at him?

This is why cops don't have my respect. They are cowards. It always takes dozens of them to show up just to arrest one guy who is usually much weaker than even one of them; they whimper behind their huge riot shields and plethora of weapons but will never, ever be willing to go face to face with an equal or stronger opponent. Any cops out there reading this, want to prove you're not a coward? Go arrest a gang banger in some bad part of town by yourself, without all your buddies to back you up, no more powerful of weapons than what the gang banger has, no pussy ass riot shield to hide behind, no trigger happy indiscretion that puts innocents at risk, just a man to man confrontation with an equally-sized or stronger opponent, and then you'll have my respect. But as long as you keep showing up to crime scenes with the entire police force, guns blazing at both the guilty and innocent, and feeling so threatened at every drop of a hat that you have to empty your entire clip, I'll always regard you as cowards.

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[Kennedy 0]

What made you hate law enforcement? Did one of them arrest you after you committed a crime?

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Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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[-Joey- 0]

Did you not read my post?

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[Kennedy 0]

I read the angry rumblings of an uninformed poster. I was just trying to understand the irrational rage before replying substantively.

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[popsjumper 2]

WTF....unbelievably off kilter.
Surely there's a reason for the misguided rage.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[-Joey- 0]

Your first reply was an ad hominem attack, which is essentially just saying "I have no way of refuting your actual content." It didn't sound like a valid inquiry.

I don't think anything I said demonstrates that I'm uninformed. The behavior of this particular cop (which resulted in the death of an innocent person) correlates with the behavior I've noticed among cops in general.

There was one criminal yet for some reason 8 shots were unloaded one of which killed the bystander. That's not the result of level-headed executive function; that's the result of panicky, reactive, fearful behavior and a "when in doubt go straight to the trigger" attitude that seems to be prevalent among law enforcement.

Skydiving is serious business

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WTF....unbelievably off kilter.
Surely there's a reason for the misguided rage.

Because you know what a hero does in that situation? A hero makes sure the innocent person survives even if it means he gets shot. This guy did the exact opposite - he was so determined to not get shot himself he ended up killing the innocent person.

Skydiving is serious business

[BIGUN 1,236]

Therefore; all Blacks are N*****s?

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

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-Joey-

Eight shots, really? He was that scared that he fired eight times indiscriminately as soon as the guy even pointed at him?

This is why cops don't have my respect. They are cowards. It always takes dozens of them to show up just to arrest one guy who is usually much weaker than even one of them; they whimper behind their huge riot shields and plethora of weapons but will never, ever be willing to go face to face with an equal or stronger opponent. Any cops out there reading this, want to prove you're not a coward? Go arrest a gang banger in some bad part of town by yourself, without all your buddies to back you up, no more powerful of weapons than what the gang banger has, no pussy ass riot shield to hide behind, no trigger happy indiscretion that puts innocents at risk, just a man to man confrontation with an equally-sized or stronger opponent, and then you'll have my respect. But as long as you keep showing up to crime scenes with the entire police force, guns blazing at both the guilty and innocent, and feeling so threatened at every drop of a hat that you have to empty your entire clip, I'll always regard you as cowards.

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I have a different opinion of law enforcement entirely. My father is a 1st lieutenant deputy sheriff and has been in some form of law enforcement for close to 45 years. He was in HPD during the 50's and had to retire from law enforcement for over 20 years due to being stabbed in the back [literally] while serving an arrest warrant. Honestly I would love to scan the clipping from the newspaper to show that not that long ago people were rather blatant about describing black folks ethnicity...even in the Houston Chronicle. My dad got back into police work around 25 years ago and I've been on patrol with him multiple times. He's a cool operator and I've seen him let many people go when I wanted him to arrest them. I've also been on the wrong side of the law more times than not due to a tumultuous childhood. I've seen the best and worst in police and I can tell you, just like in life there are good and bad police. Don't condemn them all just because of a few bad experiences.

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I would like to get the opinion of lawrocket or andy and see if they can shed some light on my question...

In Texas if someone is say, driving a car for someone robbing someone else and a victim has a heart attack during the course of their event all perps will be charged with some form of murder. In this instance the perp was holding another at gunpoint and the cops were such pussies they accidentally shot the wrong person...would this lead to a murder charge, even though the police were the ones that shot the victim?

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Kennedy

What made you hate law enforcement? Did one of them arrest you after you committed a crime?

No smart ass reply for the Op about his very apparent dislike of Police?

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I would like to get the opinion of lawrocket or andy and see if they can shed some light on my question...

In Texas if someone is say, driving a car for someone robbing someone else and a victim has a heart attack during the course of their event all perps will be charged with some form of murder. In this instance the perp was holding another at gunpoint and the cops were such pussies they accidentally shot the wrong person...would this lead to a murder charge, even though the police were the ones that shot the victim?

(In the US), it's at least possible, depending on whether the particular state has the Felony Murder Rule, and how the prosecutors and courts in that state choose to employ that rule from one case to another. But also note that "[m]ost states recognize the merger doctrine, which holds that a criminal assault cannot serve as the predicate felony for the felony murder rule". (See, article subheading "United States".

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jclalor

***What made you hate law enforcement? Did one of them arrest you after you committed a crime?

No smart ass reply for the Op about his very apparent dislike of Police?
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You obviously have reading comprehension issues. My father is a LEO. Do you want me to get you a copy of hooked on phonics?

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You obviously have reading comprehension issues. My father is a LEO. Do you want me to get you a copy of hooked on phonics?

So you think a thread that is titled " Sure hope you don't want the cops to save your life" is flattering to police after a cop shoots and kills a hostage? Perhaps if the story was about a home invasion robbery that resulted in the murder of the residents, due to the police unable to respond, you might have a point.

If there was a thread that was titled "Sure hope you don't want the firefighter to save your life" after a firefighter dropped a person off a ladder from 10 stories up, do you think people would think you are pro FD or anti FD?

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.....8 shots were unloaded one of which killed the bystander. That's not the result of level-headed executive function; that's the result of panicky, reactive, fearful behavior....

I can agree with that part of your paragraph.

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A hero makes sure the innocent person survives even if it means he gets shot.

I disagree with that....the hero getting shot only makes sense if he prevented the innocent from getting taken down prior to his being shot....and put out of action.

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This guy did the exact opposite - he was so determined to not get shot himself he ended up killing the innocent person.

I'm waiting it out....there are circumstances that we don't, as yet, know about.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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This is why cops don't have my respect. They are cowards. It always takes dozens of them to show up just to arrest one guy who is usually much weaker than even one of them; they whimper behind their huge riot shields and plethora of weapons but will never, ever be willing to go face to face with an equal or stronger opponent. Any cops out there reading this, want to prove you're not a coward? Go arrest a gang banger in some bad part of town by yourself, .....blah, blah, blah

You, my friend are severely misguided in this.
You don't have a lot of experience with physical confrontation and/or you are still hanging on to the pubescent myth of "fighting fair".

You do not fight to be fair. If you are going to stoop so low as to fight, you fight to win...as quickly as possible. There are no rules in street fighting. Simple as that.

How does that relate?
You never, ever, give the bad guys an even chance in a confrontation if you can avoid having to do so. Ever.


Yes, the cop screwed up and hit the innocent and that sucks donkey's ass for sure.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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He made a mistake trying to save a girls life and wound up killing her. He has to live with that shit for the rest of his life. Prosecuting him for trying to do what's right serves no purpose, and whiney monday morning quarterbacking doesn't either.

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

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>want to prove you're not a coward? Go arrest a gang banger in some bad part of
>town by yourself, without all your buddies to back you up, no more powerful of
>weapons than what the gang banger has, no pussy ass riot shield to hide behind

So you'd be more in favor of hiring idiots to be cops? That, to me, is even worse.

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Go arrest a gang banger in some bad part of town by yourself, without all your buddies to back you up, no more powerful of weapons than what the gang banger has, no pussy ass riot shield to hide behind, no trigger happy indiscretion that puts innocents at risk, just a man to man confrontation with an equally-sized or stronger opponent, and then you'll have my respect.

Huh, I've done that. Some of the local bangers are much better equipped and armed than I am. They're also rarely alone, but I still doubt you would respect me.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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stevebabin

He made a mistake trying to save a girls life and wound up killing her. He has to live with that shit for the rest of his life. Prosecuting him for trying to do what's right serves no purpose, and whiney monday morning quarterbacking doesn't either.

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No doubt about what you said in regards to this officer having to live with killing this young girl for the rest of his life. The only question I have is wouldn't this situation be classified as 'shoot first and ask questions later?' I would be led to think that since 8 rounds were fired by police in one direction...I wonder if the perp attempted to fire his weapon. The only thing I'm saying is that they handled this situation in the worst possible way. And although this situation is very rare...obviously it does happen. This cop might have to live with what he did for the rest of his life...but what I think he'll have to live with is the way he handled the situation, and that it probably didn't have to end this way.



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Also I never advocated anything against the cop. I have no idea where you got that from anything I said. And I can throw 50 yard bombs to receivers running fade routes on mondays like no other.

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You obviously have reading comprehension issues. My father is a LEO. Do you want me to get you a copy of hooked on phonics?

So you think a thread that is titled " Sure hope you don't want the cops to save your life" is flattering to police after a cop shoots and kills a hostage? Perhaps if the story was about a home invasion robbery that resulted in the murder of the residents, due to the police unable to respond, you might have a point.

If there was a thread that was titled "Sure hope you don't want the firefighter to save your life" after a firefighter dropped a person off a ladder from 10 stories up, do you think people would think you are pro FD or anti FD?
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Which is exactly what I was talking about...reading comprehension. If you read all of the posts instead of just the title you could understand the topic significantly better in your future endeavors here on dropzone.com.

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Huh, I've done that. Some of the local bangers are much better equipped and armed than I am. They're also rarely alone, but I still doubt you would respect me.

I would like to see Joey tell AggieDave to his face that he does not respect him. Not because Dave is this rather large man. No I would like to see Joey tell Dave to his face that he does not respect him because from all the years I have interacting with Dave on this site as well as the few times I have jumped with Dave in Eloy is that AggieDave is a decent guy, a good guy.

Not all cops are made from the same mold.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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I must've missed the part where you're railing on about the 15 year perp who decided to put everyone in this situation in the first place.

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."