DanG 1 #26 February 20, 2014 QuoteNot by tresspassing it isnt Trespassing is already illegal. Why do you need a specific law regarding ag businesses? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisD 0 #27 February 20, 2014 rushmc the only thing that should be illegal here is the false premise of the title of this thread Shame on you Andy As far as the laws go Fire them up PETA and its ilk are pig shit and should be treated as such Their not farmers, they don't know,.. BUT in this legislation are many provisions that make filming our food supply and processing plants ill eagle. Remember the peanut sal and contamination, it took the FDA, CDC and about 20 DEAD kids to fine them. And not being able to film the processing plant was a major problem in bringing these abusers to light. Our food supply should not be a national secret, this is what is at the heart of this, not those peta dopes!!! It's not about PETA it's about protecting our food from some very unscrupulous companies. And hey, what are they hiding anyways???? As far as abuse, well let those PETA idiots process their own lamb, see how they like that, they certainly don't have an issue in their yuppie resteraunts! CBut what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #28 February 20, 2014 DanGQuoteNot by tresspassing it isnt Trespassing is already illegal. Why do you need a specific law regarding ag businesses? Because of the un-needed shit storm they create"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #29 February 20, 2014 QuoteBecause of the un-needed shit storm they create So you're against new laws regarding the 2nd Amendment because they just duplicate existing laws, but you're for new laws regarding the 1st Amendment because you don't like the subject matter. Didn't you once say that all of the rights in the Bill of Rights are equally important? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #31 February 20, 2014 Look These laws are a good thing the OP lable is a lie nuff said"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #32 February 20, 2014 QuoteLook These laws are a good thing the OP lable is a lie nuff said Um, we're here to discuss and debate. If your best response to my pointing out your hypocrisy is, "nuff said," then you clearly don't have a well thought out position. The laws aren't good. The OPs title is accurate, and "ag gag" laws are a clear violation of 1st Amendment rights. Nuff said. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #33 February 20, 2014 Sure You version of freedom of speach protects harrasment If you call that hypocrisy, we have no where else to go but of course, you had to make this about me"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #34 February 20, 2014 QuoteYou version of freedom of speach protects harrasment Actually, yes, to some extent. Look up the concept of "prior restraint". If all videotaping at ag businesses is made illegal, then how do you know if the person doing the videotaping is planning on being harrassing? The 2nd Amendment corollary is to outlaw all guns because some people use them for illegal purposes. It's wrong. QuoteIf you call that hypocrisy, we have no where else to go No, your hypocrisy is claiming to support all the rights in the BoR equally, but then supporting restrictions on the 1st. Quotebut of course, you had to make this about me It's not about you, it's about your position on the subject. I haven't attacked you at all, just your position. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #35 February 20, 2014 DanGQuoteNot by tresspassing it isnt Trespassing is already illegal. Why do you need a specific law regarding ag businesses? this if they are already breaking the law, then a good way to fix this is the use of their own video as evidence to arrest them for trespassing and vandalism and whatever else they did to get the footage no need for extra videos - privacy and trespassing, etc already is protected It's like banning 'texting' specifically instead of just bad driving for any reason - ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #36 February 20, 2014 rehmwa***QuoteNot by tresspassing it isnt Trespassing is already illegal. Why do you need a specific law regarding ag businesses? this if they are already breaking the law, then a good way to fix this is the use of their own video as evidence to arrest them for trespassing and vandalism and whatever else they did to get the footage no need for extra videos - privacy and trespassing, etc already is protected It's like banning 'texting' specifically instead of just bad driving for any reason - Actually, I understand (as in, comprehend) why. These bastards and their corrupt legislative enablers may be thugs, but they're not stupid. You see, it's to close the loophole of whether someone who obtains a job at the venue for the undisclosed purpose of secretly filming, and who films while on the premises in the course of his (thus-obtained) "employment", is or is not "trespassing" as defined in each particular state's criminal statutes. That's exactly how I'd defend a client charged with trespass under such circumstances. Huge grey area, and I can see lots of judges disagreeing on the answer. Never conflab a wrongdoer's evil with stupidity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #37 February 20, 2014 If the title to your thread had been "Videotaping Farming and Livestock Activites is Becoming a Crime", I would have had much less issue with your post It imply's livestock farming is always cruel. Some practices? Maybe, but it is highly subjective to most and an ultimate crime to the PETA terrorists But what you posted is hightly misleading at best"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #38 February 20, 2014 Nah, I don't think so. Even though I copied & pasted it from the original article, I still stand by it. Reasons? See above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #39 February 20, 2014 Andy9o8Nah, I don't think so. Even though I copied & pasted it from the original article, I still stand by it. Reasons? See above. I lived in the middle of the farming belt all my life I grew up on a farm I still work around and on farms You can stand by it but it is still misleading at best"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #40 February 21, 2014 Only about 100 Ford Pintos exploded out of about 3 MILLION Pintos that were produced. Following rushmc logic (TM), the Pinto didn't have a problem, and anyone who documented evidence of Pinto gas tank explosions was a scaremongering scumbag.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
