Ammo Shortage

[billvon 2,384]

>the NRA isn't going out and convincing people to buy guns or ammunition.

Here's a recent blurb from an NRA mailer that was sent to people who had purchased sporting goods at a large sporting goods chain:

"And they will not stop until they BAN hundreds of commonly owned firearms, PROHIBIT private transfers of firearms, CLOSE gun shops and shows, and DESTROY your freedom to defend yourself, your home and your loved ones."

Why all the fearmongering? I mean, it's not like they make money by selling guns, right?

Actually, they do. Sturm & Ruger told the NRA they would donate $1 to them for every gun they sold. Let me repeat that - a gun company told the NRA that if they could increase gun sales they would pay the NRA cash for every gun they could sell.

>The ammunition shortage is mostly due to panic buying by the public

Agreed. And that panic has been created and fostered by the NRA because they make more money the more fearful people are. Look how scared people in this thread are.

[beowulf 1]

The NRA is just repeating what politicians like Feinstein and others are saying. The politicians are the ones driving this panic buying.

Donations from a gun manufacturer is not the same thing as trying say that the NRA is out pushing people to buy guns and ammunition. The panic buying is driven by the politicians.

The NRA is trying to get people to donate money to defend the 2nd amendment.

[quade 3]

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

Except in this case, where Wayne & company as simply shills for the gun industry.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[billvon 2,384]

>Donations from a gun manufacturer is not the same thing as trying say that the
>NRA is out pushing people to buy guns and ammunition.

The NRA is pushing people to buy guns and ammunition because gun manufacturers are paying them to do so. It's really not that complicated. "Buy guns before Obama grabs them!" Ka-ching, another $10,000 in the NRA's pocket. "More guns in schools!" Ka-ching, another $50,000. They are good at what they do and they are paid very well.

Tim Dickinson summed it up well in a CNBC interview:

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The NRA sells the fear that sells the guns. Plain and simple. They are a marketing association that sells fear so that people go out and arm themselves. And who profits from that? Well, it’s the gunmakers.

Who profits from illegal gun sales to people who shouldn’t have guns? It’s the gunmakers.

Who profits from guns that get bought up by fly-by-night dealers on the border and shipped in massive quantities down to Mexico to arm the drug insurgency there? Well, it’s the gunmakers.

Whose interest does the NRA represent? It’s the gunmakers.

It’s just not that complicated.
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Like the man said - follow the money.

[Gravitymaster 0]

So now, telling the truth is call fear mongering?

[billvon 2,384]

>So now, telling the truth is call fear mongering?

"“Hurricanes. Tornadoes. Riots. Terrorists. Gangs. Lone criminals. These are perils we are sure to face — not just maybe. . . .An even stronger NRA is the only chance gun owners have to withstand the coming siege. This begins with remembering to keep your own membership active, or reactivate it if it has lapsed. It means reminding yourself." (From a recent LaPierre op-ed.)

Hear that? Only an NRA membership will protect you against hurricanes!

There's a word for people who can be manipulated through fear into giving up their money to fearmongers: suckers. There's one born every minute, as Barnum once said, and LaPierre is putting that fact to full use.

So buy, buy, buy if you're afraid; nothing sells more stuff than fear.

[beowulf 1]

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>Donations from a gun manufacturer is not the same thing as trying say that the
>NRA is out pushing people to buy guns and ammunition.

The NRA is pushing people to buy guns and ammunition because gun manufacturers are paying them to do so. It's really not that complicated. "Buy guns before Obama grabs them!" Ka-ching, another $10,000 in the NRA's pocket. "More guns in schools!" Ka-ching, another $50,000. They are good at what they do and they are paid very well.

Tim Dickinson summed it up well in a CNBC interview:

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The NRA sells the fear that sells the guns. Plain and simple. They are a marketing association that sells fear so that people go out and arm themselves. And who profits from that? Well, it’s the gunmakers.

Who profits from illegal gun sales to people who shouldn’t have guns? It’s the gunmakers.

Who profits from guns that get bought up by fly-by-night dealers on the border and shipped in massive quantities down to Mexico to arm the drug insurgency there? Well, it’s the gunmakers.

Whose interest does the NRA represent? It’s the gunmakers.

It’s just not that complicated.
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Like the man said - follow the money.

Some more bullshit.

The NRA is pushing people to give them money to support the 2nd Amendment. No where in your example did they say to go out and buy guns. Sturm Ruger is a gun manufacturer and is out to sell guns, donating a dollar the NRA is in their interest and helps sell guns. But that is Sturm Ruger selling guns not the NRA.

The fear that sells guns is generated by politicians wanting to ban guns or put limits on gun rights.

The NRA is there to defend the 2nd Amendment from people like you.

[beowulf 1]

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>So now, telling the truth is call fear mongering?

"“Hurricanes. Tornadoes. Riots. Terrorists. Gangs. Lone criminals. These are perils we are sure to face — not just maybe. . . .An even stronger NRA is the only chance gun owners have to withstand the coming siege. This begins with remembering to keep your own membership active, or reactivate it if it has lapsed. It means reminding yourself." (From a recent LaPierre op-ed.)

Hear that? Only an NRA membership will protect you against hurricanes!

There's a word for people who can be manipulated through fear into giving up their money to fearmongers: suckers. There's one born every minute, as Barnum once said, and LaPierre is putting that fact to full use.

So buy, buy, buy if you're afraid; nothing sells more stuff than fear.

During hurricane Katrina citizens had their lawfully owned guns confiscated. That is what cause people to donate money to the NRA to defend the 2nd Amendment. The fear of confiscation is real and has happened.

[rhaig 0]

apparently the 1.6B rounds of ammo isn't for practice either. At least not according to Local 2554 of their union: Ammunition shortage for Border Patrol

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Didn’t we (DHS) just get a massive ammunition contract? El Centro Sector Border Patrol agents were just informed (3/28/13) that due to budget cuts, they would not be issued any ammunition (in this quarter) for maintaining proficiency beyond the number of rounds needed to complete the quarterly qualification itself. We get a 32% pay cut, even though Congress gave CBP enough money to cover salaries, and now we can’t even maintain proficiency with our service weapons to defend ourselves in the field…

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Rob

[billvon 2,384]

>The NRA is pushing people to give them money to support the 2nd Amendment.

The NRA is being paid to sell guns and ammo. Follow the money.

>The fear that sells guns is generated by politicians wanting to ban guns or put limits on gun rights.

Really? Are you really going to defend yourself from a hurricane with a semiautomatic rifle? I didn't know they were that powerful . . . .

It's easy to railroad a fearful populace. And the NRA is very, very good at making people afraid. It's working with many people on this very forum. They are terrified that someone is going to "grab their guns" - and so are out buying them up as fast as they can.

LaPierrre is the best thing that ever happened to gun manufacturers. And the more fearful he can make the ignorant, the more money gun manufacturers make - and the more money ends up in his pocket.

[beowulf 1]

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>The NRA is pushing people to give them money to support the 2nd Amendment.

The NRA is being paid to sell guns and ammo. Follow the money.

>The fear that sells guns is generated by politicians wanting to ban guns or put limits on gun rights.

Really? Are you really going to defend yourself from a hurricane with a semiautomatic rifle? I didn't know they were that powerful . . . .

It's easy to railroad a fearful populace. And the NRA is very, very good at making people afraid. It's working with many people on this very forum. They are terrified that someone is going to "grab their guns" - and so are out buying them up as fast as they can.

LaPierrre is the best thing that ever happened to gun manufacturers. And the more fearful he can make the ignorant, the more money gun manufacturers make - and the more money ends up in his pocket.

Bill you are being silly propping up your strawman argument of "defend yourself from a hurricane with a semiautomatic rifle?" You ignore the gun confiscation that happened during hurricane Katrina. You are just being dishonest.

No where does the NRA push people to buy guns. You haven't shown any example of them doing so. You did come up with an example of them pushing people to give them money to defend the 2nd amendment.

The people creating the fear of gun confiscation or limiting is the politicians like Feinstein, Bloomberg and Obama.

Gun manufacturers are thanking Obama for their high sales not the NRA.

You are wrong. The high gun sales didn't happen because of La Pierre they happened due to politicians like Obama. The example of this is the increase in gun sales when Obama was first elected to the presidency and they didn't go up when La Pierre started working for the NRA.

[Gravitymaster 0]

You really are hanging on the cliff.

He's obviously talking about the need for self protection in the event of a hurricaine or other natural disaster.

I'm sure your extreme left-wingview would be dramatically different if you had lived in N.O. in the aftermath of Katrina.

[Andy9o8 0]

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people like you.

Attaboy: take the high road.

[billvon 2,384]

>Bill you are being silly propping up your strawman argument of "defend yourself
>from a hurricane with a semiautomatic rifle?"

Funny how you're attacking me for LaPierre's words. I guess when he says them they make sense since he's the NRA.

>No where does the NRA push people to buy guns.

See? They even have you snowed.

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CBS News
February 14, 2013, 9:59 AM

The CEO of the National Rifle Association delivered a dramatic call to arms - literally - in an opinion piece for the Daily Caller on Wednesday, warning of a dark, uncertain future when guns may be necessary for "survival" and promising that despite President Obama's recent gun control proposals, "We will buy more guns than ever."

Now more than ever, wrote NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre, gun ownership is important: "Hurricanes. Tornadoes. Riots. Terrorists. Gangs. Lone criminals. These are perils we are sure to face--not just maybe. It's not paranoia to buy a gun. It's survival. It's responsible behavior, and it's time we encourage law-abiding Americans to do just that."
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NRA-backed task force pushes to arm teachers, school staff
Kasie Hunt

A National Rifle Association-funded task force on Tuesday outlined a package of recommendations aimed at improving school safety, leaving aside the new gun controls that Congress is considering and instead advising schools to train teachers and other school personnel to carry guns to protect their students.
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[Kennedy 0]

Way to drag this way off topic. I'm still waiting to hear how buying a lot of more expensive rounds is saving money over buying a lot of less expensive rounds that meet your needs.

If this was nothing new with these orders, why can't DHS produce numbers on how they use the ammo to justify the purchase size?

Do you think police will always be there for you? Do you think they will always respond? Do you think they have any responsibility or liability to you?

Am I succumbing to fearmongering if I keep medical supplies at home? A fire extinguisher? Maybe you should give the government complete control over your life and finances; don't give in to the fearmongering that they can't be trusted or will abuse their power.

PS - NRA has in the area of four million members, last I heard. Have you considered that they're "shills" for their membership, not corporations? Or are you just more comfortable with ad hominem attacks so you don't have to address their points?

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[Gravitymaster 0]

Other than ads in the NRA publications, I don't know that they recieve any money from gun manufacturers. Afaik they are menbership supported.

[beowulf 1]

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>Bill you are being silly propping up your strawman argument of "defend yourself
>from a hurricane with a semiautomatic rifle?"

Funny how you're attacking me for LaPierre's words. I guess when he says them they make sense since he's the NRA.

>No where does the NRA push people to buy guns.

See? They even have you snowed.

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CBS News
February 14, 2013, 9:59 AM

The CEO of the National Rifle Association delivered a dramatic call to arms - literally - in an opinion piece for the Daily Caller on Wednesday, warning of a dark, uncertain future when guns may be necessary for "survival" and promising that despite President Obama's recent gun control proposals, "We will buy more guns than ever."

Now more than ever, wrote NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre, gun ownership is important: "Hurricanes. Tornadoes. Riots. Terrorists. Gangs. Lone criminals. These are perils we are sure to face--not just maybe. It's not paranoia to buy a gun. It's survival. It's responsible behavior, and it's time we encourage law-abiding Americans to do just that."
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NRA-backed task force pushes to arm teachers, school staff
Kasie Hunt

A National Rifle Association-funded task force on Tuesday outlined a package of recommendations aimed at improving school safety, leaving aside the new gun controls that Congress is considering and instead advising schools to train teachers and other school personnel to carry guns to protect their students.
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You are intentionally misunderstanding his point. When he is talking about needing guns during a hurricane it isn't for defense against the hurricane it's self. It's because there may not be any law enforcement available because of the hurricane. The confiscation of guns after hurricane Katrina is an example of what can happen despite having the 2nd Amendment.

You are continuing in your dishonest avoidance of the obvious.

[billvon 2,384]

>Do you think police will always be there for you? Do you think they will
>always respond?

I expect them to; I do not rely on it.

>Do you think they have any responsibility or liability to you?

They have a responsibility to do their jobs. I am responsible for my own safety.

>Am I succumbing to fearmongering if I keep medical supplies at home?

Nope. But if someone from NorthStar Medical Equipment tells you "your wife or child could die at any time! In fact, with today's problems with medical care, it is certain that they will. Do you want to stand there helpless, or do you want a NorthStar(tm) AED that is designed save their life?" - then they should be ashamed of themselves.

>A fire extinguisher?

Again, no. But if they sell it to you by claiming "Obama and Pelosi will BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN and you will DIE without a Kidde HouseSafe fire extinguisher" then again, they should be ashamed of themselves.

And worse still - if Kidde promises the GOP $1 for every fire extinguisher sold, and then the GOP starts in with the "Obama will burn your house down unless you have an extinguisher" meme - then they are being both dishonest and exploitative.

>PS - NRA has in the area of four million members, last I heard. Have you
>considered that they're "shills" for their membership, not corporations?

They get far more money from corporations than from members. Again, follow the money; they know who is supporting them.

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[Andy9o8 0]

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Go Here

All you want!

Mmmm, "gunsamerica". The name alone gives me a stiffy.

[rushmc 18]

No, Obama is the best thing that happened to the weapons industry

You know it

Your posts are just trolling to get a rise


.......and it is working

NRA is a rights advocacy org

Not an industry association org

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

STOP feeding him

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,384]

>NRA is a rights advocacy org . . .Not an industry association org

And yet more than half their money does not come from member dues.

Follow the money.

[rushmc 18]

You must be hungry

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[champu 1]

How much of the run on semi-automatic rifles and rifle magazines would you estimate is attributable to NRA claptrap, and how much would you say is attributable to people hearing about the proposal of federal legislation and passage of various state legislation to ban future sales of certain rifles and rifle magazines? (the latter could be via the NRA or any other news source)

While I agree the NRA is keen on the firearm industry selling more product, your posts are making it sound like there's no other primary catalyst which I think we can both agree is false. Hell the NRA had nothing to do with me discovering that the state assembly in California is considering doing something really stupid that could impact availability of ammo and magazines.