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This exactly what I think.
Military is no different from any other social group, there are brilliant people, enlisted and officers and assholes, enlisted and officers.
I'm still serving in the military and I met amazing people and real jerks.
I don't think that all military are heroes, it's all BS to me, some they like what they do, some they didn't have alternatives when they choose this profession.
Btw, I'm in the reserve and I'd never go active duty for the same above reason.:D

The mind is like a parachute: If you don't open it, it doesn't work.

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i have a suggestion. perhaps you should not be admittedly ignorant of a topic before you make statements you know will inflame. in your original post you stated that you would be attacked, so you knew your statements were offensive to many.



I knew I was going to be attacked because, despite my ignorance in US military procedures, I am smart enough to know that this is a sensitive topic. And by the way, for being private you don't have to study 4 years, right? So after all, I am not that ignorant. Please stop using my politeness when I say "Excuse my ignorance" to attack me.

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I'll bet you wouldn't have the berries to say that in a group of enlisted persons.



You know, I've lost track of how many times I've heard and read this type of statement: just slightly less than an implied direct threat of violence, but still the implication that if someone dared to exercise their right to speak ill about the military in the presence of enlisted men or veterans, they'd get their asses kicked.

Shame on you for saying that. Every time you do that, you dishonor the Constitution.



Please. You mean to tell me that this line of conversation would bode well in a group of vets? Sure it would.
Please don't dent the planet.

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I'll bet you wouldn't have the berries to say that in a group of enlisted persons.



You know, I've lost track of how many times I've heard and read this type of statement: just slightly less than an implied direct threat of violence, but still the implication that if someone dared to exercise their right to speak ill about the military in the presence of enlisted men or veterans, they'd get their asses kicked.

Shame on you for saying that. Every time you do that, you dishonor the Constitution.



Please. You mean to tell me that this line of conversation would bode well in a group of vets? Sure it would.



If they're the kind of people worthy of respect it would. If they've been in the military they'll know as well as anyone that it contains its own spectrum of society.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I'll bet you wouldn't have the berries to say that in a group of enlisted persons.



You know, I've lost track of how many times I've heard and read this type of statement: just slightly less than an implied direct threat of violence, but still the implication that if someone dared to exercise their right to speak ill about the military in the presence of enlisted men or veterans, they'd get their asses kicked.

Shame on you for saying that. Every time you do that, you dishonor the Constitution.



Please. You mean to tell me that this line of conversation would bode well in a group of vets? Sure it would.



I mean to tell you that any time a group of US vets directly or impliedly threatens physical violence against someone who speaks out against the military in their presence, they disgrace the uniforms they wore and dishonor the Constitution they took an oath to "bear true faith and allegiance" to.

They want to tell the person he's full of shit? That's one thing. To threaten physical violence? Disgraceful.

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Enrolling in a job that doesn't require anything besides being physically healthy enough to go to kill people in other countries that are thousands of miles away is really a reason to be proud of.

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Do you really think this is all the Military is concerned about and the only skills required? 98% of my time is spent training, advising and developing response plans for when somebody brings a WMD into our back yard.

Weeks at a time we train in some of the most lethal chemical, biological and radioactive environments and I will tell you that it takes a lot of knowledge, skill (and not to mention heart) to pull it off safely.

What about my time dealing with the Anthrax in Senator Daschle's office and the other mail facilities... or the Ricin a year later? I can assure you it was not done with a bunch of brainless physically fit Marines.

Your post is an ignorant assumption.

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I'll bet you wouldn't have the berries to say that in a group of enlisted persons. Big talker on the net.



The amount of irony here is reaching overload proportions.

Surely you must see the contradiction in claiming that the military is vital to freedom and then suggesting that the same military would restrict someone's right to free speech?

And secondly, you're making a threat against someone on the Internet and simultaneously telling them they're a "big talker on the net".

I don't think you've thought this through.

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What about my time dealing with the Anthrax in Senator Daschle's office and the other mail facilities... or the Ricin a year later? I can assure you it was not done with a bunch of brainless physically fit Marines.

Your post is an ignorant assumption.



The post he wrote does not contain that assumption. You have invented it.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Enrolling in a job that doesn't require anything besides being physically healthy enough to go to kill people in other countries that are thousands of miles away is really a reason to be proud of.



Do you really think this is all the Military is concerned about and the only skills required?



He's specifically and deliberately talking about the lowest common denominator though. He's asking, "Since getting into the military in the most basic of capacities is fairly trivial, why is being in the military regardless of capacity to be revered?"

That's why people are coming up with counter examples of people who happened to have been in the military and, because of other actions, should not be revered. The fact of the matter is, if all you know is that someone was in the military you don't know if that means they spent multiple tours in EOD removing IEDs from schoolyards, if they spent their whole career flying a desk in Ramstein, or if they were "that guy" on deployments.

Many civilians stereotype current and former military personnel somewhere along that spectrum and it usually has to do with their opinion of whatever military actions, if any, the country is currently involved in. Some vets expect to be stereotyped one way or the other and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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And, they never tried to commit genicide

"The only good Indian is a dead Indian."

Wendy P.



I didnt know you hated indians



You are showing your profound ignorance of history. The same profound ignorance that manifests itself on many other subjects.

The northern europeans that moved to an already inhabited area did, indeed, perform genocide on the Native Americans. The US Military was heavily involved in the second half of the 19th century.

Before the USA became the USA, the first recorded instance of biological arfare was conducted in New England. Smallpox infected blankets were handed out to the locals. This tactic was extremely successful. About 80% died.

Igorance is curable. Entrenched stupidity is not.

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Lord God, please excuse me....I'd never have thought I would defend Marc.

I took it as a tongue-in-cheek post....I'm not sure how you got all that out of his comment.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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Marc's reply to me was tongue-in-cheek, and funjumper's addressed the point that I was trying to make with the post that Marc was replying to.

Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Professionals of any walk of life don't go around bragging about their professional accomplishments.

Soldiers are not exempted.



*golfclap*;)
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

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I posted this in another group - but figured I'd post it here to. Since it's about me.

Well, since I am the guy that this happened to at Lake Wales, let me clarify some things.

First of all, the tattoo was gotten mainly because of a friend who committed suicide due to PTSD, and wanted me to get the tattoo. I did not want to get it because I thought it was offensive, after he killed himself I talked to my cousin, who speaks 7 dialects and grew up in Yemen tell me that "The only people who would be offended by that tattoo would be people who follow Sharia Law", and that the tattoo simply means someone who has no faith. With those factors in play, that's why I got the tattoo - I love how people assume I got it because I wanted to be an asshole and start stuff.

Also, I wasn't pissed off when Betty called me to the back to tell me that they were offended by my tattoo. I was because she didn't know WHY it was offensive, and after I told her I served in Iraq and Afghanistan and the tattoo represents my lack of faith, she still said I had to cover it up, and suggested duct tape.

After that happened she told me I could cover it up or leave. So her statement saying I chose to leave is accurate. I chose to leave over choosing to cover it up with DUCT TAPE!

All that being said, I later found out that Betty is also the Manager of the Airport.... A government employee, so when I was discriminated against for a religious statement - I was asked to leave the public airport by a governmental employee because of a tattoo that says my religious faith. (or lack thereof)

So IDC if you guys want to think I got it to be an asshole, and to be quite frank it's irrelevant. If you go to England a fag is a cigarette, a lift is an elevator and a boot is a car trunk. In America it has a different meaning. We're in America, and Kafir or Infidel means One without faith.

Last time I checked you could not discriminate or refuse service to someone based on religious belief. She could have kicked me out for any reason, but as soon as she said it was because of a tattoo that stated a religious belief, she was in the wrong. Moreso because she holds a dual govt. job at the same location.

Funny, in the 1950's a black man goes into a whites only diner and they say that he did it to be an asshole and he got what he deserves.

Point is, the actual reason behind the tattoo is irrelevant. It's a religious statement, and protected under the 1964 civil rights act.

And when I made the blog it was meant to be seen by a group of about 10 friends who read my blog. I didn't expect it to go viral and have over 110,000 views in 48 hours. So my intent was to vent to a group of friends -
-Eddie B (feel free to message)
www.facebook.com/eddie.d.bryant

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One question -- did you have that tattoo when you went skydiving in Dubai a couple of years ago? What was the reaction if you did?

Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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