kallend 1,623 #26 March 23, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteWho knew the Saudis may be "gun advocates"? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/colo-prison-chief-targeted-job-article-1.1294802 Anyone who uses a gun can be considered a gun advocate, and any victim who isn't chosen at random is a selected target. Gun advocates have been killing targets since guns were invented. And here we have demonstrated desperation of a gun banner circling the wagons and trying to yet again, re-direct a thread Why do you persist with this lie? I have never advocated a gun ban and you know it perfectly well.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #27 March 23, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnyone who uses a gun can be considered a gun advocate... Anyone...? Sure. At the time they are using the gun they are certainly advocating for its use. Action speaking louder than words... What about a mentally ill person or a child who doesn't understand what they're holding? or a convicted felon? They would still fit into the catch-all mold that kallend was trying to create, and so kinda misses my point. He thinks it's funny that people who are outspoken in favor of gun rights can be referred to with the same term as people who commit crimes with guns, even if it means ignoring context or what it is about guns that either person is advocating. I think it's funny that he has overlooked the group of people he complains the most about regarding their access to guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #28 March 23, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnyone who uses a gun can be considered a gun advocate... Anyone...? Sure. At the time they are using the gun they are certainly advocating for its use. Action speaking louder than words... What about a mentally ill person or a child who doesn't understand what they're holding? or a convicted felon? They would still fit into the catch-all mold that kallend was trying to create, and so kinda misses my point. He thinks it's funny that people who are outspoken in favor of gun rights can be referred to with the same term as people who commit crimes with guns, even if it means ignoring context or what it is about guns that either person is advocating. I think it's funny that he has overlooked the group of people he complains the most about regarding their access to guns. Just because someone is mentally unstable doesn't mean that their behavior is not an indication of what they advocate. Ditto for felons, who apparently advocate for a life of crime.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #29 March 24, 2013 QuoteJust because someone is mentally unstable doesn't mean that their behavior is not an indication of what they advocate. You consider someone firing a gun when they don't understand what it is to be advocating guns? Couldn't they just be advocating loud noises? edited: verbs are good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,382 #30 March 24, 2013 Quote Just because someone is mentally unstable doesn't mean that their behavior is not an indication of what they advocate. Ditto for felons, who apparently advocate for a life of crime. I disagree with your definition of "advocate". To advocate is to speak out to convince others to share your POV. Ref: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/advocate Humorous example: "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Hunter is saying that he likes to *do* these activities, but does not want to *advocate* others do them."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #31 March 24, 2013 QuoteQuoteJust because someone is mentally unstable doesn't mean that their behavior is not an indication of what they advocate. You consider someone firing a gun when they don't understand what it is to be advocating guns? Couldn't they just be advocating loud noises? edited: verbs are good. Who says they don't understand it? Did Lanza not understand his mother's guns? Did Loughner not understand his guns? did Cho not understand his guns? You just make excuses.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #32 March 24, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteJust because someone is mentally unstable doesn't mean that their behavior is not an indication of what they advocate. You consider someone firing a gun when they don't understand what it is to be advocating guns? Couldn't they just be advocating loud noises? edited: verbs are good. Who says they don't understand it? Did Lanza not understand his mother's guns? Did Loughner not understand his guns? did Cho not understand his guns? You just make excuses. I make no excuses for anyone. You just tried to collapse the hypothetical on three specific people but you violated its terms. In any event, this discussion is stupid. Not everyone who fires a gun is "advocating" guns in any meaningful way, or in any way comparable to those who advocate responsible gun ownership, and who are against restrictions with serious unaddressed implementation problems. And if a child or a mentally ill person doesn't even understand what a gun is gets a hold of one and fires it, it would be very unfortunate, but it wouldn't be gun advocacy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yourmomma 0 #33 March 26, 2013 Fuck you POHM git, my rights are inalienable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #35 March 26, 2013 QuoteFuck you POHM git, my rights are inalienable. Oh yes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #36 April 3, 2013 http://news.yahoo.com/intruder-shot-dead-home-rural-colorado-prosecutor-010647800.html This is awful. Especially in a place like Colorado - how on earth could anyone condone two people shooting an intruder. They should have called the police and let the cops take care of it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #37 April 3, 2013 Quotehttp://news.yahoo.com/intruder-shot-dead-home-rural-colorado-prosecutor-010647800.html This is awful. Especially in a place like Colorado - how on earth could anyone condone two people shooting an intruder. They should have called the police and let the cops take care of it. I think the solution is clear. Everyone should become a police officer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
