rehmwa 2 #101 February 26, 2013 Nice nearly 20 straight posts of : "some people" "Dems" "Reps" "Obama" "Party of NO" "dems" "reps" ad nauseum Looks like the party PR machines has everybody here right exactly where they want them - they don't have to fix the problem - or even try anymore, they just have to create the divide so that no matter what happens, the public will be able to rationalize blame to whichever half of the leadership they've been indoctrinized to hate. you are all smart people - how can you be so easily brainwashed? However, if we all voted in such a giant pile of petty little children, we get what we deserved - representation of the public. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #102 February 26, 2013 >While we clearly need both. Agree 100% Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #103 February 26, 2013 QuoteNice nearly 20 straight posts of : "some people" "Dems" "Reps" "Obama" "Party of NO" "dems" "reps" ad nauseum Looks like the party PR machines has everybody here right exactly where they want them - they don't have to fix the problem - or even try anymore, they just have to create the divide so that no matter what happens, the public will be able to rationalize blame to whichever half of the leadership they've been indoctrinized to hate. you are all smart people - how can you be so easily brainwashed? However, if we all voted in such a giant pile of petty little children, we get what we deserved - representation of the public. Got to agree As I posted before this is just another distraction But even the largley left leaning Politifact indicates Obama owns the sequester At any rate It is a good time line of the whole thing http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/24/barack-obama/obama-says-congress-owns-sequestration-cuts/"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,121 #104 February 26, 2013 Does that mean that if the sequester turns out not to be so bad after all, that it's still Obama's idea? Or do we find the wise Republican who advised him on it? I read the Politifact article; it is vaguely the WH's idea, but it wasn't floated as a serious one. It takes a seriously disfunctional group of congresscritters to take a not-very-serious bogeyman proposal, turn it into law, and then wring their hands and point when it begins to get close. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #105 February 26, 2013 >Does that mean that if the sequester turns out not to be so bad after all, that it's still Obama's idea? Of course not, Wendy. Then it was Boehner's idea. Overall I think having the sequester happen is probably a good thing overall. The economic impact will be pretty harsh, not because the market will lose the money from the spending (although that will be part of it) but because markets react to perceptions, and with both sides saying how bad it will be, the markets will react poorly to its passage. However, it will reduce spending, and when the economy recovers again (which it always does) baseline spending will be lower. The downside is that it may end any influence the GOP has on the direction of government for a while. And a one party system isn't very good for the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #106 February 26, 2013 QuoteMilitary spending has become the teat that a very large segment of the US economy suckles from, either directly or indirectly. It is the primary mechanism of transferring wealth from some areas (largely blue states, as it happens) to others (largely red states). Absolutely. I recall growing up in the Los Angeles area in the 70s and 80s and seeing the impact of the drawdown of defense spending. I think it can be fairly said that drawdowns in defense spending (and the mergers of defense contracting firms) has led to defense heavy places like LA area and Long Island and focused defense contracting on a few states and districts in the South and Southeast. I think it’s had the effect of causing a slow change in thinking toward defense policy. Take a look at who voted for purchasing more B-2 bombers – even Loretta Sanchez (who unseated “B-1 Bob” Dornan). But as the funding gets more concentrated and fewer districts have it going to them, advocates for defense spending become a minority because it just goes to those 20 or 30 districts where most of it goes. And the rest of Congress wants to take that concentrated benefit and send it elsewhere. Fundamentally, it’s been welfarism. Now it’s concentrated in a few districts. I remember LA getting clobbered when defense sending dropped. Other districts will be feeling it, too. QuoteNotice how much squealing and bleating accompanies any suggestion of closing redundant military bases. There’s reason for that. Not just the local economies around the bases but also there’s the consideration of what to do with them. The El Toro Marine Corps Air Station was closed in 1999. As far as I know they haven’t done anything with it, much because of the substantial costs of remediation. It’s 4,500 acres of prime Orange County real estate and still being cleaned up with 5 runways with yellow x’s on them. QuoteI also wonder if the tradeoff you suggest would occur even if the opportunity arose. This is the big issue for me. Every time a welfare program is stopped, they take that money and put it to another welfare program, thus ensuring no money saved. Quoteonly in the US does a substantial chunk of the population seem to think that access to health care is a commodity no different than buying a yacht. That’s overly simplified. In general, people who pay for their own health care are healthier. QuoteDoes anybody really think people make such choices? They used to. Not anymore. Now we have – many times – a guy hooking in a brand spanking new rig that he put 60 jumps on in the last two months who gets a fundraiser to pay for medical bills because he wasn’t insured. I do not help in those cases because I haven’t been able to afford to skydive for ten years and I’m not being asked to pay for his medical bills, I’m being asked to pay for all those jumps and gear he bought instead. That is the embodiment of “moral hazard” and “tragedy of the commons.” Break myself? Someone else will fix me. QuoteOr do they just not give a fuck about anybody except themselves, and maybe their own kids It may seem odd to you, but I actually DO care about my own kids more than I care about anybody else’s. That’s why I DO keep my kids insured and why I DO participate in healthcare for them and in activities for them and help with homework. Anybody who indicates that it’s wrong for me to love my kids and try to care for other kids as much as my own can go fuck himself. QuoteIt's perverse that the only "national health care system" in the US is restricted to the retired, so money is taken from working people to pay for health care for the retired/elderly. Agreed. Government created this perverse system and wants to expand it to make me pay more for my health care so that the unhealthy can pay less. Quoteeven if the money were to be deflected from military spending I doubt it would be spent on health care access. Sure it would. Take away military funding and you still have Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security on top of the federal spending. Two of the three are medical programs. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #107 February 26, 2013 Actually I think it is a good idea We need 10 more of them I thank Obama He just needs to take credit for it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #108 February 27, 2013 Quote There’s reason for that. Not just the local economies around the bases but also there’s the consideration of what to do with them. The El Toro Marine Corps Air Station was closed in 1999. As far as I know they haven’t done anything with it, much because of the substantial costs of remediation. It’s 4,500 acres of prime Orange County real estate and still being cleaned up with 5 runways with yellow x’s on them. I guess Illinois is just more efficient than CA at converting old bases: Glenview NAS closed 1995, now it's a thriving prosperous residential community. Fort Sheridan closed 1993, now it's a thriving residential community.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #109 February 27, 2013 www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/25/republicans-sequester-deal-blame thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/284165-poll-half-say-republicans-would-take-blame-for-the-sequester www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/gop-trouble-poll-pegs-party-extreme-touch-article-1.1273959 www.politico.com/story/2013/02/sequestration-poll-republicans-to-be-blamed-most-87914.html www.businessinsider.com/sequester-poll-obama-republicans-boehner-spending-cuts-military-defense-2013-2 Looks like Obama is far smarter than you give him credit for.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #110 February 27, 2013 Quotewww.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/25/republicans-sequester-deal-blame thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/284165-poll-half-say-republicans-would-take-blame-for-the-sequester www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/gop-trouble-poll-pegs-party-extreme-touch-article-1.1273959 www.politico.com/story/2013/02/sequestration-poll-republicans-to-be-blamed-most-87914.html www.businessinsider.com/sequester-poll-obama-republicans-boehner-spending-cuts-military-defense-2013-2 Looks like Obama is far smarter than you give him credit for. Nobody said he is stupid but he has gotten more help from the media than any president I know of Including Clinton BTW Polls today are used to make news"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #111 February 27, 2013 Quote Quote www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/25/republicans-sequester-deal-blame thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/284165-poll-half-say-republicans-would-take-blame-for-the-sequester www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/gop-trouble-poll-pegs-party-extreme-touch-article-1.1273959 www.politico.com/story/2013/02/sequestration-poll-republicans-to-be-blamed-most-87914.html www.businessinsider.com/sequester-poll-obama-republicans-boehner-spending-cuts-military-defense-2013-2 Looks like Obama is far smarter than you give him credit for. Nobody said he is stupid but he has gotten more help from the media than any president I know of You mean the US media 100% owned by capitalists, right? Yep, your claim makes sense... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #112 February 27, 2013 QuoteI guess Illinois is just more efficient than CA at converting old bases I think any place would be more efficient. We don't have the political machines here. Nobody to say, "I've got this closed base and it’s fucking golden, and, I’m just not giving it up for fuckin’ nothing. I’m not gonna do it. And, and I can always use it. I can parachute me there" My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCoSkyDiver 0 #113 February 27, 2013 The attached pic puts the sequestration into perspective. It pretty much changes nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #114 February 27, 2013 Hell yeah! Chicago can eliminate an entire airport overnight! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #115 February 27, 2013 QuoteThe attached pic puts the sequestration into perspective. It pretty much changes nothing. Yes It just decreased the increase The AUTOMATIC increase"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #116 February 27, 2013 QuoteGood. Their airports suck anyways. Meigs most certainly didn't suck, it was great. I guess Daley couldn't get enough kickback from it, though.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #117 February 27, 2013 > And a one party system isn't very good for the US I think there are many here that would disagree. If the Dem's controlled all (3) branches of the Government Vs the Rep's would we see a more prosperous, enlightened America. Who has the better ideas? What would America look like if all the conservatives just packed up and went home and left our country in the hands of the well educated, enlightened, compassionate, concerned, inclusive, tolerant and liberated liberal minded men and women? It would be interesting to hear that discussion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #118 February 27, 2013 Quote >What would America look like if all the conservatives just packed up and went home and left our country in the hands of the well educated, enlightened, compassionate, concerned, inclusive, tolerant and liberated liberal minded men and women? Sweden? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #119 February 27, 2013 Quote The attached pic puts the sequestration into perspective. It pretty much changes nothing. That picture scared the HELL out of me. Obama's right, if this madness is left un-checked we are doomed as a Nation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #120 February 27, 2013 Quote Quote >What would America look like if all the conservatives just packed up and went home and left our country in the hands of the well educated, enlightened, compassionate, concerned, inclusive, tolerant and liberated liberal minded men and women? Sweden? Sweden? Never been to Sweden...is it a place of true enlightenment, bless, and free stuff? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #121 February 27, 2013 >If the Dem's controlled all (3) branches of the Government Vs the Rep's would we see >a more prosperous, enlightened America. Who has the better ideas? We'd see a government with even fewer checks on its power than we have now. Individually, both democratic and republican politicians generally try to do the right thing. Together they tend to screw things up. Put nothing but republicans (or democrats) in power and they'd screw things up all the faster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #122 February 27, 2013 Worse than a single individual with newly empowered rights to make some of those financial decisions on their own even??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #123 February 27, 2013 Quote Quote >What would America look like if all the conservatives just packed up and went home and left our country in the hands of the well educated, enlightened, compassionate, concerned, inclusive, tolerant and liberated liberal minded men and women? Sweden? You want to compare Sweden, a nation with a population of less than 10 million people to the USA with a population well into 320 million (possibly as high as 350 million thanks to all the illegals), half of whom pay no federal income tax? ROFLMAO ... thanks for the laugh. The culture of entitlements knows no limits. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #124 February 27, 2013 Quote What would America look like if all the conservatives just packed up and went home and left our country in the hands of the well educated, enlightened, compassionate, concerned, inclusive, tolerant and liberated liberal minded men and women? It already is. That's the problem.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #125 February 27, 2013 Quote Quote Quote >What would America look like if all the conservatives just packed up and went home and left our country in the hands of the well educated, enlightened, compassionate, concerned, inclusive, tolerant and liberated liberal minded men and women? Sweden? You want to compare Sweden, a nation with a population of less than 10 million people to the USA with a population well into 320 million (possibly as high as 350 million thanks to all the illegals), half of whom pay no federal income tax? ROFLMAO ... thanks for the laugh. The culture of entitlements knows no limits. I guess listening to the counsel of my peers to use as an indication of tongue-in-cheek was a waste of my time after all. It's time for me to move back to face-time, methinks. Thank you. John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
