Obama? or the NRA?

[beowulf 1]

So that is your best argument for adding new laws that we know won't work?

Very few people who fail the background check are prosecuted for attempting to purchase a firearm illegally. The NICS database isn't updated as well as it could be. Mentally ill people are often not flagged in the NICS background check due to it not being updated. There are other laws that we could do a better job of enforcing, but that is the first that comes to mind.

[beowulf 1]

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We can't go looking for them (just think of the headlines "cops looking for illegal guns door to door.")

There aren't any records of felons or crazy people who own guns.

The police do confiscate them when they're taken from criminals. Unless, of course, they actually belong to law-abiding people and were stolen.

So how do we go about enforcing the current gun laws? And is curing really always better than prevention?

I'm all for a pre-certification for gun purchase system like rushmc described as existing in Iowa.

Wendy P.

"Curing better than prevention"???


Not even sure what you mean by this. The new laws that have been proposed wouldn't prevent anything. The only people they will affect are those willing to follow the laws.

[rushmc 18]

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We can't eliminate cancer, either. So let's not try.

Wendy P.

but we can and have made a difference. Biden has admitted a ban will make no fundamental difference.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[JerryBaumchen 1,047]

Hi beowulf,

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Doing something that doesn't work isn't better then doing nothing.

Have you ever seen all of the container configurations that Bill Booth built before he got to the Wonderhog?

I think most engineers would disagree with your comment.

JerryBaumchen

[airdvr 197]

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Hi beowulf,

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Doing something that doesn't work isn't better then doing nothing.

Have you ever seen all of the container configurations that Bill Booth built before he got to the Wonderhog?

I think most engineers would disagree with your comment.

JerryBaumchen

They must have worked to some degree....

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[beowulf 1]

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Hi beowulf,

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Doing something that doesn't work isn't better then doing nothing.

Have you ever seen all of the container configurations that Bill Booth built before he got to the Wonderhog?

I think most engineers would disagree with your comment.

JerryBaumchen

In that context I would agree. But creating new laws that won't fix the problem or even help is not the same thing.

[BatMasterson 0]

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We can't eliminate cancer, either. So let's not try.

How many patients should we sacrifice to shoddy unproven cures, while we search for one good one?

[wmw999 2,116]

All the ones who've died so far, I guess.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Andy9o8 0]

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We can't eliminate cancer, either. So let's not try.

How many patients should we sacrifice to shoddy unproven cures, while we search for one good one?

What kind of patients, John?

BTW, if you knew anything about clinical trials, you wouldn't ask that.

[beowulf 1]

Laws are only as good as the people enforcing them or that are willing to follow them.

We can't stop people from doing things that are against the current laws. An example of this is all of the drug laws on the books and yet we can't stop people from using heroin, cocaine or any of the other drugs deemed illegal. Why do you think more gun laws are going to make any difference?

We can't stop felon's or crazy people from getting guns. We already have laws for that and they don't work. So any new gun laws really only affect those willing to follow them, the law abiding people. Do we really need to disarm those people? Wouldn't they generally be the targets of the criminal elements of society? Does that really make sense to you? Why would we care how many rounds the magazines of law abiding citizens hold? Does it really matter?

Banning things doesn't work. Just think of Prohibition of the 20's. It didn't solve any of the problems they wanted it to and it created problems they never thought of.

[OHCHUTE 0]

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We can't go looking for them (just think of the headlines "cops looking for illegal guns door to door.")

There aren't any records of felons or crazy people who own guns.

The police do confiscate them when they're taken from criminals. Unless, of course, they actually belong to law-abiding people and were stolen.

So how do we go about enforcing the current gun laws? And is curing really always better than prevention?

I'm all for a pre-certification for gun purchase system like rushmc described as existing in Iowa.

Wendy P.

There are too many guns in the public domain and upon more rules, regulations, registrations there will be a HUGE black market. As no one I know will take their gun, that the gov't might not even know about about and register it. Especially to pay a fee.

[wmw999 2,116]

Then maybe we should abolish the police, turn their guns (and all the ones they've confiscated) over to law-abiding citizens, so they can defend themselves.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[beowulf 1]

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Then maybe we should abolish the police, turn their guns (and all the ones they've confiscated) over to law-abiding citizens, so they can defend themselves.

Wendy P.

The police are there to respond to crimes and investigate them not to be our personal body guards. We are each responsible for our own safety. The police can not respond quick enough to save the average person.

[BillyMongilly 0]

Certification would be the first step towards a total ban. Bit by bit, piece by piece is the Democrats agenda.

How high are we going? Oh about 9000. Oh Mr. Pilot! How high are we going? Oh about 12000! That's the ticket!

[wmw999 2,116]

It hasn't been in Iowa.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[BillyMongilly 0]

One extreme or the other.

How high are we going? Oh about 9000. Oh Mr. Pilot! How high are we going? Oh about 12000! That's the ticket!

[Andy9o8 0]

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Certification would be the first step towards a total ban. Bit by bit, piece by piece is the Democrats agenda.

Bullshit, to the point where you simply don't know what you're talking about. Many, many Democrats, including some in Congress, are gun owners and respect the 2nd Amendment.

[OHCHUTE 0]

All I know is, the person will survive the background check prior to becoming a murder. Look at the cop in LA. They had his finger prints, photo, badge number, serial number of his gun etc. And he went nuts and became a murderer.

What this means is: BACKGROUND CHECKS WON"T WORK.

[beowulf 1]

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It hasn't been in Iowa.

Wendy P.

Has it done anything to reduce crime?

[wmw999 2,116]

Sounds like it's done something to reduce the number of crazy people who buy guns. Since that's a crime, well, then it's reduced it.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[beowulf 1]

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Sounds like it's done something to reduce the number of crazy people who buy guns. Since that's a crime, well, then it's reduced it.

Wendy P.

How do you know that?

[wmw999 2,116]

Same way you think it hasn't.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[OHCHUTE 0]

Community policing and enforcement are key. Not more rules. Rules don't work in a lawless society. Enforcement works.

[beowulf 1]

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Same way you think it hasn't.

Wendy P.

I didn't say it didn't, you were the one making the claim and I asked how you knew that.

It doesn't stop anyone from buying a gun threw other means.

[kallend 1,621]

We can't eliminate road accidents so let's not try.

We can't eliminate skydiving deaths so let's not try.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.