Did Cornell University end its shooting program?

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Last week I viewed Cornell's website and saw many pages and pictures of students participating in competitive shooting sports on campus, indoor ranges. I looked again tonight and the pages were gone. Then I came across this article. What happened. Did Cornell end the shooting program? Cornell is in New York... Will competitive shooting sports end in this country.

Sad.

http://collegeinsurrection.com/2013/01/cornell-president-signs-gun-control-document/

[Andy9o8 1]

Consider typical college dorm living: lots of drunkenness, lots of jealousy over sex, lots of anger at asshole roomates, lots of just plain assholes, not too much maturity. Yeah , let's introduce weapons into that mix. LOL

College level sport shooting can be done safely in a controlled environment supervised by qualified instructors. But from my own been-there-done-that (dorms) experience, I don't blame any college for wanting, at the very least, to keep weapons the hell out of campus housing where hundreds of Certified Assholes® are packed in like sardines.

(BTW, from my reading, the linked article neither says nor implies anything at all, one way or the other, about controlled competitive shooting at Cornell, so you need to extend your research on that further.)

[wmw999 2,313]

A friend of mine is a former campus police officer, on a couple of different college campuses. He said that the vast majority of calls involved either drunk, or naked, or both.

Since naked doesn't really lend itself to guns , drunk would be the other option.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Consider typical college dorm living: lots of drunkenness, lots of jealousy over sex, lots of anger at asshole roomates, lots of just plain assholes, not too much maturity. Yeah , let's introduce weapons into that mix. LOL

College level sport shooting can be done safely in a controlled environment supervised by qualified instructors. But from my own been-there-done-that (dorms) experience, I don't blame any college for wanting, at the very least, to keep weapons the hell out of campus housing where hundreds of Certified Assholes® are packed in like sardines.

(BTW, from my reading, the linked article neither says nor implies anything at all, one way or the other, about controlled competitive shooting at Cornell, so you need to extend your research on that further.)

There was even a video showing students getting rifles out of locker. That's gone. I'll inquire further but if college shooting goes away I'd expect participation in Olympic shooting events will be compromised.

[kallend 1,822]

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A friend of mine is a former campus police officer, on a couple of different college campuses. He said that the vast majority of calls involved either drunk, or naked, or both.

Since naked doesn't really lend itself to guns , drunk would be the other option.

Wendy P.

One of our frats has just been placed on suspension for alcohol related problems and irresponsible immature behavior. I don't think adding guns to the mix would be a smart thing to do.

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[wmw999 2,313]

Note that I'm not saying that guns should be forbidden, just that unfettered access to guns might not be the best thing for college students.

If they have a concealed carry license with some serious training (e.g. equivalent to that of an LEO), then it makes sense.

But setting the bar to the lowest standard for something as potentially destructive as a gun seems kind of silly. A single vote won't hurt that much, no matter how it's wielded. A single gun can.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[blueblur 0]

He's not talking about students having personal defense weapons in their dorms or whatever, so the drunken frat party shootout is not the issue. He is talking about competitive shooting, as in a university-sponsored sport or intramural organization. Stop the drunk fratboy straw-man argument.

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[kallend 1,822]

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He's not talking about students having personal defense weapons in their dorms or whatever, so the drunken frat party shootout is not the issue. He is talking about competitive shooting, as in a university-sponsored sport or intramural organization. Stop the drunk fratboy straw-man argument.

Cornell is a private university. It can support, or decline to support, any sport it chooses.

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[Anvilbrother 0]

It may be a private university, but that gun club used federal Pittman-Robertson funds.

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[Andy9o8 1]

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He's not talking about students having personal defense weapons in their dorms or whatever, so the drunken frat party shootout is not the issue. He is talking about competitive shooting, as in a university-sponsored sport or intramural organization. Stop the drunk fratboy straw-man argument.

The straw-man argument is yours, and the OP's. Read the article; it's in English, in which you seem to be more or less fluent. I already posted about it above; but OK, I'll repeat it: there isn't one mother-fucking thing in that article that says or implies the slightest thing about Cornell's structured competitive shooting program.

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It may be a private university, but that gun club used federal Pittman-Robertson funds.

What do you mean, "that gun club"? Cornell may very well have one, but there's nothing - nothing! - in the article about it.

As an aside, out of curiosity I did a search to see if Cornell's gun club does in fact receive (and not just be eligible for) Pittman-Roberson funds. I can't find the answer; but you seem to know. Would you kindly post a link to a specific source?

That aside, though, it's really irrelevant. If Cornell as a private institution were to want to end a particular sporting program, even one partially federally-funded, it would be entirely within its legal right to do so.

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If Cornell as a private institution were to want to end a particular sporting program, even one partially federally-funded, it would be entirely within its legal right to do so.

Wouldn't it be like a airport that receives federal funding?

I cant find that article again, the computer at work does not save history, and never gives similar search results. I searched for Cornell university gun program/club public funding, and found a few PDF's where they were using those funds to improve their shooting range.

I dont really care either way what they did with their gun range.

Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

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Guys, what I'm saying is based in physical observation of Cornells website last week that included a pretty hefty set of pictures and information about their pistol and shooting athletic program. It's not there now.

I'll call the university next week and find out what happened to the information and post what I learn.

(It would be unfortnate to learn Cornell and other universities have ended their shooting programs.)

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I'm sorry, I did not read the article linked, I simply read the OP's post that was only about the competitive shooting program and he did not mention at all anything regarding the school's stance on personal weapons on campus. So, yes, the link was not a good reference towards the topic, but I think he was asking if the recent disallowance of personal weapons was tied to the sport's disappearance on the school's website.

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He's not talking about students having personal defense weapons in their dorms or whatever, so the drunken frat party shootout is not the issue. He is talking about competitive shooting, as in a university-sponsored sport or intramural organization. Stop the drunk fratboy straw-man argument.

Cornell is a private university. It can support, or decline to support, any sport it chooses.

I agree. I do, however, think it would be a shame for them to discontinue the sport/club regardless of the motive behind it.

In every man's life he will be allotted one good woman and one good dog. That's all you get, so appreciate them while the time you have with them lasts.

- RiggerLee

[wmw999 2,313]

They still have target sports listed as offerings in the 2013 online catalog.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[sfzombie 3]

that would only make sense if the op is right and the info has only recently been taken off the website. they would not have had time to change the whole catalog of available courses, and the courses would have started already in any case. i do suspect the links at the bottom of the article that link to cornell's policy on guns may have the answer to a lot more questions, but care not enough to check i don't.

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[BudHadfield 0]

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One of our frats has just been placed on suspension for alcohol related problems and irresponsible immature behavior. I don't think adding guns to the mix would be a smart thing to do.

He'd make a great skydiver though!

[Andy9o8 1]

So why the interest in Cornell's website in particular?

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that would only make sense if the op is right and the info has only recently been taken off the website. they would not have had time to change the whole catalog of available courses, and the courses would have started already in any case. i do suspect the links at the bottom of the article that link to cornell's policy on guns may have the answer to a lot more questions, but care not enough to check i don't.

So how about waiting until the facts are available BEFORE getting all riled up about it.

Seems some gun owners have a serious problem with anger management right now.

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that would only make sense if the op is right and the info has only recently been taken off the website. they would not have had time to change the whole catalog of available courses, and the courses would have started already in any case. i do suspect the links at the bottom of the article that link to cornell's policy on guns may have the answer to a lot more questions, but care not enough to check i don't.

So how about waiting until the facts are available BEFORE getting all riled up about it.

Seems some gun owners have a serious problem with anger management right now.

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[kd5xb 1]

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I agree. I do, however, think it would be a shame for them to discontinue the sport/club regardless of the motive behind it.

I know this thread is about Cornell, but let me state this -- as I understand it, a nearby university (Eastern New Mexico University) completely killed their shooting program a few years ago. No warning, no thought it was going to happen, just a sudden message that the program was over and students on a shooting scholarship had less than one semester to find a school willing to award them a scholarship to continue with their college career. This is NOT a private school, BTW.

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So how about waiting until the facts are available BEFORE getting all riled up about it.

Seems some gun owners have a serious problem with anger management right now.

I haven't really noticed anybody "riled up" about anything in this thread, just a few people asking questions -- so why your statement re: anger management?

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[Andy9o8 1]

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I agree. I do, however, think it would be a shame for them to discontinue the sport/club regardless of the motive behind it.

I know this thread is about Cornell, but let me state this -- as I understand it, a nearby university (Eastern New Mexico University) completely killed their shooting program a few years ago. No warning, no thought it was going to happen, just a sudden message that the program was over and students on a shooting scholarship had less than one semester to find a school willing to award them a scholarship to continue with their college career. This is NOT a private school, BTW.

Why did ENMU drop their shooting program? Ideological reasons? Budgetary reasons? My quick & dirty Google search didn't come up with a result, so could you please provide a link to a reliable, objective source? Thanks.

BTW, if it turns out that ENMU dropped their program for reasons that cannot be reliably tied to an outright violation of state or federal constitutions, laws or regulations, the fact that they're a public school is utterly immaterial to their prerogative to decide what sports to keep, and what sports to drop. Sorry, but that's no "magic bullet".

[kd5xb 1]

Not sure why ENMU dropped the program, but I'll see if I can find out. ENMU seems to be a VERY liberal institution, so I've always suspected their motives. Honestly, I don't know how they stay in business in this part of the country with such a liberal slant. One of the mysteries of life, I suppose.

"Magic bullet"!

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