beowulf 1 #1 January 26, 2013 https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:8YcnOvhZd9IJ:www.wfsa.net/pdf/Csaszar.pdf+Gun+Control+and+the+Reduction+of+the+Number+of+Arms+site:http://www.wfsa.net&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESh2XfsyyBc0U1enNhC7UYewNSuDmwu_8RGrawm4yIK-AKUeoVuCILsr5WHMgMHB37hgXdU28v265kt1nNMlK8keRCJ5FoX493wu3Vr0FysObgmpCWtWLSSrNWIxBouGWL-JHKfy&sig=AHIEtbRkKmSp_mcfGgEfkShrSojUyKcYGA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #2 January 26, 2013 http://reason.com/archives/2012/12/22/gun-restrictions-have-always-bred-defian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #3 January 26, 2013 The study says it all. Right on the money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bignugget 0 #4 January 26, 2013 "(6) Does all this mean that the state should abandon any efforts on gun control at all and leave things go their own way? Certainly not. It would be irresponsible to deny the benefits of minimising the access of risk populations to guns on the one hand, and to ensure and improve responsible gun ownership on the other hand. In that very basic meaning gun control makes sense and is necessary." Agreed. He did pretty well looking at it from both sides. He does split hairs a bit, though it he is right it's a very real problem that if you make owning guns illegal you turn all previous legal guns into illegal guns, and so in effect make your problem worse....its a catch 22 but we still come to the same conclusion in the end. "It would be irresponsible to deny the benefits of minimising the access of risk populations to guns on the one hand, and to ensure and improve responsible gun ownership on the other hand." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #5 January 26, 2013 Cut down the number of illegal guns by making them legal. What amazing logic! We could cut drunk driving convictions by legalizing drunk driving. We could cut illegal drug use by legalizing all drugs. We could eliminate speeding cars by throwing out all speed limits. The guy's a genius.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bignugget 0 #6 January 26, 2013 That's not what he suggested at all. He seemed moderate on gun control. He just pointed out by definition people become criminals and their guns turn from legal to illegal if they refuse to comply with a ban, which COULD lead to more "illegal" guns than you had before. Its TRUE, but its not a reason to give up....as he goes on to say and I also quoted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #7 January 26, 2013 It's amazing that you came away with that conclusion. He was pointing out what happens regarding gun control. Are you saying this time it will be different?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #8 January 26, 2013 It was the least biased study I could find. It's not perfect but then again nothing is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #9 January 26, 2013 QuoteIt was the least biased study I could find. It's not perfect but then again nothing is. Well, the NRA successfully lobbied Congress to have real research on gun violence gagged. Even the NRA's point man in Congress, former GOP Rep. Jay Dickey, now says that this was a mistake. All part of the NRA's war on science.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #10 January 26, 2013 This study was from Austria. Gun control has limited effectiveness. I would think that much is obvious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #11 January 26, 2013 QuoteThis study was from Austria. Gun control has limited effectiveness. I would think that much is obvious. "Limited" <> "no".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #12 January 26, 2013 QuoteQuoteThis study was from Austria. Gun control has limited effectiveness. I would think that much is obvious. "Limited" <> "no". No kidding! Could you be a little more condescending! What I got from that study is that the more strict the gun control laws are the less effective they are. People will only comply up to a certain point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #13 January 26, 2013 Quote It's amazing that you came away with that conclusion. No its not It the same stupid shit demonstrated over and over Hell, you can't know if that is what he really thinks Cause he will not post a straight line about what he thinks if his life depended on it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #14 January 27, 2013 You are obviously disingenuous with your responses. I would think you would have smarter responses considering your education. But seems all you can do is display your obvious bias against gun owners. If you have any real suggestions then put them out there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #15 January 27, 2013 QuoteQuoteThis study was from Austria. Gun control has limited effectiveness. I would think that much is obvious. "Limited" <> "no". he's got a lot of leeway from the mods. he uses it on those of us he deems unworthy.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #16 January 27, 2013 QuoteYou are obviously disingenuous with your responses. I would think you would have smarter responses considering your education. But seems all you can do is display your obvious bias against gun owners. If you have any real suggestions then put them out there. if he were interested in having a discussion, he might. But he rather enjoys trolling those who disagree with him. Intellectual dishonesty at it's finest. From a professer of physics and engineering. Well, at least they're subjects that aren't subjective. He uses logic at work. He doesn't have any left for here.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #17 January 27, 2013 A while back john divulged that he's got mad street smarts as well. He's like the skydiving communities version of lance armstrong...Mononut. And yes before you get too carried away I am kidding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #18 January 27, 2013 Hey!! At least lance had the ball to finally tell the truth.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bignugget 0 #19 January 27, 2013 QuoteHey!! At least lance had the ball to finally tell the truth. lol, that was funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #20 January 27, 2013 QuoteHey!! At least lance had the ball to finally tell the truth. Still smarting I see.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #21 January 27, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis study was from Austria. Gun control has limited effectiveness. I would think that much is obvious. "Limited" <> "no". he's got a lot of leeway from the mods. he uses it on those of us he deems unworthy. Still smarting from being called on your mistakes, I see.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #22 January 27, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThis study was from Austria. Gun control has limited effectiveness. I would think that much is obvious. "Limited" <> "no". he's got a lot of leeway from the mods. he uses it on those of us he deems unworthy. Still smarting from being called on your mistakes, I see. ah... Ah prof at an institute of higher learning holding himself to the same high standards of the common western bridge troll.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #23 January 27, 2013 QuoteQuoteHey!! At least lance had the ball to finally tell the truth. Still smarting I see. Well actually that one was just a joke... Did you reply to the wrong post? Drink more. Type less. It IS a weekend after all.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #24 January 27, 2013 Quote Quote Hey!! At least lance had the ball to finally tell the truth. lol, that was funny. +10 My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #25 January 27, 2013 QuoteHe just pointed out by definition people become criminals and their guns turn from legal to illegal if they refuse to comply with a ban, which COULD lead to more "illegal" guns than you had before. I'm of the mind that COULD is really WILL. The crooks are gonna keep theirs now you add in the defenders of the 2nd and you have more illegal weapons...simply because you passed a "law".My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
