Interesting CA Gun Stats

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In 2002, 350,000 guns were sold in the state of California. By 2011, that number was 600,000. Last year, it jumped to 817,000, a single year increase of 36 percent.

Did crime go up? Precisely the opposite. Since 2002, hospital visits due to injuries from gun wounds plummeted 28 percent. Gun deaths decreased 15 percent.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/04/CA-gun-sales-up-crime-down

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In 2002, 350,000 guns were sold in the state of California. By 2011, that number was 600,000. Last year, it jumped to 817,000, a single year increase of 36 percent.

Did crime go up? Precisely the opposite. Since 2002, hospital visits due to injuries from gun wounds plummeted 28 percent. Gun deaths decreased 15 percent.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/04/CA-gun-sales-up-crime-down

That's because the guns are all AWB compliant. They just sit there in the closet safe doing nothing. If the guns had 11+rd mags and/or no bullet buttons, they'd jump up, run out of the house, and start killing people.

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So, what you're saying is, the often maligned gun regulations in California . . . work AND Diane Feinstein seems to know what she's talking about.

Good to know.

Thanks.

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So, what you're saying is, the often maligned gun regulations in California . . . work.

Good to know.

Thanks.

I think the simple point is that a higher number of guns doesnt equal more gun crime.

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So, what you're saying is, the often maligned gun regulations in California . . . work.
Good to know.
Thanks.

I think the simple point is that a higher number of guns doesnt equal more gun crime.

No. The simple points are;

1) More gun regulation doesn't mean the government will come after your guns.
2) More gun regulation means you actually can still buy guns. Quite a bit too!
3) Increased regulation helps keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
4) More gun regulation means deaths really do go down.

It's all right there. Marc even laid it out for you . . . he just conveniently left out the part where California has some of the strictest guns laws in the country and they are essentially what Diane Feinstein is talking about as a nation-wide standard.

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So, what you're saying is, the often maligned gun regulations in California . . . work.

Good to know.

Thanks.

I think the simple point is that a higher number of guns doesnt equal more gun crime.

You're making this too complicated

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
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So, what you're saying is, the often maligned gun regulations in California . . . work AND Diane Feinstein seems to know what she's talking about.

Good to know.

Thanks.

Not at all - she is most definitively full of shit.

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So, what you're saying is, the often maligned gun regulations in California . . . work AND Diane Feinstein seems to know what she's talking about.

Good to know.

Thanks.

Not at all - she is most definitively full of shit.

Not according to the numbers and the laws in the state of California. Seems to work pretty well for all concerned.

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1) More gun regulation doesn't mean the government will come after your guns.
2) More gun regulation means you actually can still buy guns. Quite a bit too!
3) Increased regulation helps keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
4) More gun regulation means deaths really do go down.

It's all right there. Marc even laid it out for you . . . he just conveniently left out the part where California has some of the strictest guns laws in the country and they are essentially what Diane Feinstein is talking about as a nation-wide standard.

http://news.yahoo.com/philippines-shooting-spree-illustrates-global-gun-violence--190043649.html

Or not......

Derek V

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So, what you're saying is, the often maligned gun regulations in California . . . work AND Diane Feinstein seems to know what she's talking about.

Good to know.

Thanks.

Id Feinstein was the governor then perhaps you'd be right. But she works on a national stage,

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So, what you're saying is, the often maligned gun regulations in California . . . work AND Diane Feinstein seems to know what she's talking about.

Good to know.

Thanks.

Id Feinstein was the governor then perhaps you'd be right. But she works on a national stage,

I was unaware working on "a national stage" put up some sort of impenetrable knowledge barrier between a Senator and the state they represent.

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1) More gun regulation doesn't mean the government will come after your guns.
2) More gun regulation means you actually can still buy guns. Quite a bit too!
3) Increased regulation helps keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
4) More gun regulation means deaths really do go down.

It's all right there. Marc even laid it out for you . . . he just conveniently left out the part where California has some of the strictest guns laws in the country and they are essentially what Diane Feinstein is talking about as a nation-wide standard.

http://news.yahoo.com/philippines-shooting-spree-illustrates-global-gun-violence--190043649.html

Or not......

Derek V

Sorry pal . . . We're not talking about some other country. If we were talking about some other country, I think we'd have to start with a completely unregulated one like Somalia. Do you really want to?

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1) More gun regulation doesn't mean the government will come after your guns.
2) More gun regulation means you actually can still buy guns. Quite a bit too!
3) Increased regulation helps keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
4) More gun regulation means deaths really do go down.

It's all right there. Marc even laid it out for you . . . he just conveniently left out the part where California has some of the strictest guns laws in the country and they are essentially what Diane Feinstein is talking about as a nation-wide standard.

http://news.yahoo.com/philippines-shooting-spree-illustrates-global-gun-violence--190043649.html

Or not......

Derek V

Sorry pal . . . We're not talking about some other country. If we were talking about some other country, I think we'd have to start with a completely unregulated one like Somalia. Do you really want to?

Yes.

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So, what you're saying is, the often maligned gun regulations in California . . . work AND Diane Feinstein seems to know what she's talking about.

Good to know.

Thanks.

Id Feinstein was the governor then perhaps you'd be right. But she works on a national stage,

I was unaware working on "a national stage" put up some sort of impenetrable knowledge barrier between a Senator and the state they represent.

Seems to be the case here in Ohio....

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Sorry pal . . . We're not talking about some other country. If we were talking about some other country, I think we'd have to start with a completely unregulated one like Somalia. Do you really want to?

Sure. Compare firearm crime/homicide rates, firearms per personae rates, and how stringent firearm laws for each country.

What I have shown with the Philippines article is that the issue isn't so simple as laws and crime rates. Someone mentioned Switzerland and how a lot of people own their military service rifles aft leaving the military and they have a low firearm crime rate. They also have a good health care system.

We could pass a law that makes any semi auto rifle illegal. Theses mass shooting would still happen. People would still get illegal rifles. The law would not prevent mass shootings with those rifles. The shooters couldn't care less about any laws. A law is only effective if the consequences of breaking the law are enough to deter someone from breaking it and the chances of getting caught are high enough. If you have no intention of surviving the event, consequences mean nothing. We need to go to the source of the problem. Guns are not the source of the problem.

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Someone mentioned Switzerland and how a lot of people own their military service rifles aft leaving the military and they have a low firearm crime rate. They also have a good health care system.

They also have much more stringent regulation regarding firearms than have ever ben suggested in the US. Those guns are registered and so are the gun owners.

Yet another incredibly convenient omission by the folks who like to bring it up.

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They also have much more stringent regulation regarding firearms than have ever ben suggested in the US. Those guns are registered and so are the gun owners.

Yet another incredibly convenient omission by the folks who like to bring it up.

How does registration stop someone from going on a shooting spree?

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They also have much more stringent regulation regarding firearms than have ever ben suggested in the US. Those guns are registered and so are the gun owners.

Yet another incredibly convenient omission by the folks who like to bring it up.

How does registration stop someone from going on a shooting spree?

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So, what you're saying is, the often maligned gun regulations in California . . . work AND Diane Feinstein seems to know what she's talking about.

Good to know.

Thanks.

I really appears to me that regardless of the gun laws
If people are allowed to own guns, crimes do not increase

No matter what laws there are

So here we are yet again

Gun laws make no difference

No matter how you look at it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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That's what I thought.

Derek V

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That's what I thought.

Derek V

And this is not the end

Now the anti's want a national data base
One would think they could or should learn from Canada's mistake

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-weighs-broad-gun-control-agenda-in-wake-of-newtown-shootings/2013/01/05/d281efe0-5682-11e2-bf3e-76c0a789346f_print.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln