cvfd1399 0 #1 December 29, 2012 http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-orders-raise-biden-members-congress-federal-workers_692223.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #2 December 29, 2012 Congress most unproductive since 1940's, receives pay raise. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/12/28/obama-pay-raise-congress_n_2377714.html?utm_hp_ref=politics Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,884 #3 December 29, 2012 QuoteCongress most unproductive since 1940's, receives pay raise. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/12/28/obama-pay-raise-congress_n_2377714.html?utm_hp_ref=politics Still paid less than the average college football coach.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #4 December 29, 2012 But the perks are mighty nice... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firemedic 7 #5 December 29, 2012 Quote Quote Congress most unproductive since 1940's, receives pay raise. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/12/28/obama-pay-raise-congress_n_2377714.html?utm_hp_ref=politics Still paid less than the average college football coach. Maybe we should elect coaches to congress. If they fix the issues "winning season" they keep their job. If they don't "loosing season" we can fire em. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #6 December 29, 2012 Personally I think this is crying wolf. While I understand people wanting to see politicians not receive pay raises while we are in a deficit people are ignoring the small amount of the raise. Some of the people will be receiving barely a 1/2% raise. That is less than the CPI has increased the last two years, and despite the fact that they will receive more money they are essentially still taking a pay cut given the current rate of inflation......economics 101 people, come on now and yes some people are recieving closer to 3%, but in the grand scheme of things I think there are more pressing issues to worry about. If I saw politicians receive a pay raise that was well over the CPI's total increase since the pay freeze began then I would be up in arms. In my opinion though allowing someone to maintain their spending power is not an issue to me. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,884 #7 December 29, 2012 QuoteCongress most unproductive since 1940's, receives pay raise. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/12/28/obama-pay-raise-congress_n_2377714.html?utm_hp_ref=politics "only 219 bills passed by the body becoming law" Maybe after 200+ years we already have enough laws. Could be there's some merit in Congress doing nothing.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firemedic 7 #8 December 29, 2012 Quote Personally I think this is crying wolf. While I understand people wanting to see politicians not receive pay raises while we are in a deficit people are ignoring the small amount of the raise. Some of the people will be receiving barely a 1/2% raise. That is less than the CPI has increased the last two years, and despite the fact that they will receive more money they are essentially still taking a pay cut given the current rate of inflation......economics 101 people, come on now and yes some people are recieving closer to 3%, but in the grand scheme of things I think there are more pressing issues to worry about. If I saw politicians receive a pay raise that was well over the CPI's total increase since the pay freeze began then I would be up in arms. In my opinion though allowing someone to maintain their spending power is not an issue to me. __________________________________________________ I'm very familiar with the process involving CPI and inflation rate to calculate cost of living increases. I was an employee for a Town Government for 25 years and we "Usually" received a cost of living increase. I've been retired since 2006. When the bubble popped the cost of living increases stopped. People I know who are still working have not received a cost of living increase since 2008. They are getting 2% this year beginning January 2013. I suspect my municipality isn't the only one in the country that has tightened its belt. In fact I suspect there are hundreds. The same thing is happening in the private sector. Lower raises, no raises, cutting hours, etc. To me its not the, relatively insignificant, amount the raises will cost but the idea that the rest of the country has cut back why can't our federal government. They can suffer through the lean times with us. This smacks elitism to me especially when our president does it by executive order. I suspect as time drags on if congress continues to accomplish nothing that he will use the executive order do get what he wants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie 3 #9 December 29, 2012 crying wolf my ass. this is just one more example of waste, fraud, and abuse. and did ya hear about the vote to extend fisa without the few minor adjustments to be made in a faux oversight? they had the details for well over a month, but had to rush it through before the law expired because they didn't want to debate it. don't have a link, but not too hard to find. pathetic. when are the elected representatives going to realize they need to answer to us? this is the kind of representation that caused the first revolution, it's high time for another.http://kitswv.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #10 December 29, 2012 when are the elected representatives going to realize they need to answer to us? this is the kind of representation that caused the first revolution, it's high time for another. Please don't, I may be leaving active duty heading to the National Guard soon and I don't feel like hunting skydivers History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killler 2 #11 December 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteCongress most unproductive since 1940's, receives pay raise. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/12/28/obama-pay-raise-congress_n_2377714.html?utm_hp_ref=politics "only 219 bills passed by the body becoming law" Maybe after 200+ years we already have enough laws. Could be there's some merit in Congress doing nothing.[/reply So we have all the gun laws we need..:-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sfzombie 3 #12 December 30, 2012 you don't have to worry about me, if anything gets too messed up, i'll just quietly remove myself from the situation. enough guns, ammo, and property in the woods to sustain myself and family. if i were a younger man, however, ...http://kitswv.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,884 #13 December 30, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteCongress most unproductive since 1940's, receives pay raise. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/12/28/obama-pay-raise-congress_n_2377714.html?utm_hp_ref=politics "only 219 bills passed by the body becoming law" Maybe after 200+ years we already have enough laws. Could be there's some merit in Congress doing nothing.[/reply So we have all the gun laws we need..:-) Too many, in fact. We could do with fewer but better and more uniform gun laws.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LyraM45 0 #14 December 31, 2012 Federal employees have been in a freeze for the last 2 years. And we're getting a .5% increase now. Whoopdefreakindo..... I wouldn't get your panties too much in a twist over it. Still, I'm thankful for the .5%. Don't get me wrong. Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #15 December 31, 2012 It's not the amount it's the principal. There are millions without even a job, or have had their cost of living frozen for years as well. Why should the people that have caused us all to be in this fucked up situation get theirs? This is directed to the pres, vice pres, and lawmakers, not sure if the increase they are talking about is for ALL fed workers. The only tables I have seen were for them so I assumed its just for them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,817 #16 December 31, 2012 >It's not the amount it's the principal. I assume you mean "principle." No, it's not about the principle, it's about solving our massive spending problem. Too many people want to go for the feel-good solution instead of actually doing the work to solve the problem. > Why should the people that have caused us all to be in this fucked up situation get >theirs? Who? The bankers? The people who bought houses they couldn't afford, hoping for a quick buck when they flipped them? The stockbrokers who created byzantine MBS'es? Hard to make sure you screw all of them at the same time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 1 #17 December 31, 2012 QuoteWhy should the people that have caused us all to be in this fucked up situation get theirs? Explain to us how Lyra and the fellow grunt in the adjoining cube caused this. There's a difference between justice and envy. It has to do with such things as character and maturity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 1 #18 December 31, 2012 Quote But the perks are mighty nice... I don't envy or begrudge the "perks" like decent health insurance that Lyra and her cube-neighbor get. Reasonable use of my tax dollars, IMO. 0.5% after a 2-year freeze? Jeez, are we getting raked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #19 December 31, 2012 They should be getting paycuts and there shoud be lay-offs of federal workers much like the RIF's during the Carter Admin. Some just don't get it that we are broke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,884 #20 December 31, 2012 QuoteIt's not the amount it's the principal. There are millions without even a job, or have had their cost of living frozen for years as well. Why should the people that have caused us all to be in this fucked up situation get theirs? When did Wall Street bankers come into the discussion?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #21 December 31, 2012 Your trying to blame our lack of budget and inability to fix the deficit problem on the private sector? Thats what I am talking about when I say "who put us in this situation". Let me put it this way your house gets back up with shit from your sewer system. The shit is half way up the walls. You have two options fix the problem and remove the shit, or raise the ceiling so you have more room to fill with shit. What do you do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #22 December 31, 2012 QuoteYour trying to blame our lack of budget and inability to fix the deficit problem on the private sector? Thats what I am talking about when I say "who put us in this situation". Let me put it this way your house gets back up with shit from your sewer system. The shit is half way up the walls. You have two options fix the problem and remove the shit, or raise the ceiling so you have more room to fill with shit. What do you do? Blame the plumber. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LyraM45 0 #23 December 31, 2012 QuoteThey should be getting paycuts and there shoud be lay-offs of federal workers much like the RIF's during the Carter Admin. Some just don't get it that we are broke. Pay cuts? You do realize that every federal worker is not paid like a congressmen, right? Do you think we all roll around with six figure salaries or something? I just got done talking to somebody in my office, federally employed, who is part of the custodian staff who cleans the place. I can assure you they are not living large. These people are trying to get by just like everybody else. I get the feeling you think federal employees are part of this high paid elite group..... you're wrong. Does this mean there are no federal employees who are overpaid? Of course not, and I'll agree there are probably some areas to cut the fat back on, but to make a blanket statement like you did above is just ignorant of what really happens in the federal employment arena.Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #24 December 31, 2012 What part of "we are broke" are you having the most trouble with? The coming years are going to be painful for many people. Thinking everything is OK and that someone else should have to suffer ie. The Rich, is not dealing with the reality of our situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LyraM45 0 #25 December 31, 2012 Quote Quote But the perks are mighty nice... I don't envy or begrudge the "perks" like decent health insurance that Lyra and her cube-neighbor get. Reasonable use of my tax dollars, IMO. 0.5% after a 2-year freeze? Jeez, are we getting raked. Actually, the health insurance is pretty weak. I pay about double what I paid private sector, and get less. When I got married last year I hopped right on my husbands plan with Lockheed Martin and he's paying for himself plus me, with better benefits than I had through federal employee health benefits, and it's costing him about the same as I put out for myself only and getting much less benefit. So, we're definitely not making out like bandits there. At least not in CA federal health benefit cost area where I live. As for the NWS pay, it's pretty equivalent with what some of my friends are making in the private sector meteorologist positions right now. So again, we're not making out like bandits here. I didn't go in to the NWS because of the pay. I probably could have made more eventually if I stayed private sector and went into management. I went in because they hire very little and only take the creme de la creme of meteorologists, and I wanted to be a part of that elite group.Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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sfzombie 3 #12 December 30, 2012 you don't have to worry about me, if anything gets too messed up, i'll just quietly remove myself from the situation. enough guns, ammo, and property in the woods to sustain myself and family. if i were a younger man, however, ...http://kitswv.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,884 #13 December 30, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteCongress most unproductive since 1940's, receives pay raise. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/12/28/obama-pay-raise-congress_n_2377714.html?utm_hp_ref=politics "only 219 bills passed by the body becoming law" Maybe after 200+ years we already have enough laws. Could be there's some merit in Congress doing nothing.[/reply So we have all the gun laws we need..:-) Too many, in fact. We could do with fewer but better and more uniform gun laws.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LyraM45 0 #14 December 31, 2012 Federal employees have been in a freeze for the last 2 years. And we're getting a .5% increase now. Whoopdefreakindo..... I wouldn't get your panties too much in a twist over it. Still, I'm thankful for the .5%. Don't get me wrong. Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #15 December 31, 2012 It's not the amount it's the principal. There are millions without even a job, or have had their cost of living frozen for years as well. Why should the people that have caused us all to be in this fucked up situation get theirs? This is directed to the pres, vice pres, and lawmakers, not sure if the increase they are talking about is for ALL fed workers. The only tables I have seen were for them so I assumed its just for them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,817 #16 December 31, 2012 >It's not the amount it's the principal. I assume you mean "principle." No, it's not about the principle, it's about solving our massive spending problem. Too many people want to go for the feel-good solution instead of actually doing the work to solve the problem. > Why should the people that have caused us all to be in this fucked up situation get >theirs? Who? The bankers? The people who bought houses they couldn't afford, hoping for a quick buck when they flipped them? The stockbrokers who created byzantine MBS'es? Hard to make sure you screw all of them at the same time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 1 #17 December 31, 2012 QuoteWhy should the people that have caused us all to be in this fucked up situation get theirs? Explain to us how Lyra and the fellow grunt in the adjoining cube caused this. There's a difference between justice and envy. It has to do with such things as character and maturity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 1 #18 December 31, 2012 Quote But the perks are mighty nice... I don't envy or begrudge the "perks" like decent health insurance that Lyra and her cube-neighbor get. Reasonable use of my tax dollars, IMO. 0.5% after a 2-year freeze? Jeez, are we getting raked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #19 December 31, 2012 They should be getting paycuts and there shoud be lay-offs of federal workers much like the RIF's during the Carter Admin. Some just don't get it that we are broke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,884 #20 December 31, 2012 QuoteIt's not the amount it's the principal. There are millions without even a job, or have had their cost of living frozen for years as well. Why should the people that have caused us all to be in this fucked up situation get theirs? When did Wall Street bankers come into the discussion?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #21 December 31, 2012 Your trying to blame our lack of budget and inability to fix the deficit problem on the private sector? Thats what I am talking about when I say "who put us in this situation". Let me put it this way your house gets back up with shit from your sewer system. The shit is half way up the walls. You have two options fix the problem and remove the shit, or raise the ceiling so you have more room to fill with shit. What do you do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #22 December 31, 2012 QuoteYour trying to blame our lack of budget and inability to fix the deficit problem on the private sector? Thats what I am talking about when I say "who put us in this situation". Let me put it this way your house gets back up with shit from your sewer system. The shit is half way up the walls. You have two options fix the problem and remove the shit, or raise the ceiling so you have more room to fill with shit. What do you do? Blame the plumber. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LyraM45 0 #23 December 31, 2012 QuoteThey should be getting paycuts and there shoud be lay-offs of federal workers much like the RIF's during the Carter Admin. Some just don't get it that we are broke. Pay cuts? You do realize that every federal worker is not paid like a congressmen, right? Do you think we all roll around with six figure salaries or something? I just got done talking to somebody in my office, federally employed, who is part of the custodian staff who cleans the place. I can assure you they are not living large. These people are trying to get by just like everybody else. I get the feeling you think federal employees are part of this high paid elite group..... you're wrong. Does this mean there are no federal employees who are overpaid? Of course not, and I'll agree there are probably some areas to cut the fat back on, but to make a blanket statement like you did above is just ignorant of what really happens in the federal employment arena.Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #24 December 31, 2012 What part of "we are broke" are you having the most trouble with? The coming years are going to be painful for many people. Thinking everything is OK and that someone else should have to suffer ie. The Rich, is not dealing with the reality of our situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LyraM45 0 #25 December 31, 2012 Quote Quote But the perks are mighty nice... I don't envy or begrudge the "perks" like decent health insurance that Lyra and her cube-neighbor get. Reasonable use of my tax dollars, IMO. 0.5% after a 2-year freeze? Jeez, are we getting raked. Actually, the health insurance is pretty weak. I pay about double what I paid private sector, and get less. When I got married last year I hopped right on my husbands plan with Lockheed Martin and he's paying for himself plus me, with better benefits than I had through federal employee health benefits, and it's costing him about the same as I put out for myself only and getting much less benefit. So, we're definitely not making out like bandits there. At least not in CA federal health benefit cost area where I live. As for the NWS pay, it's pretty equivalent with what some of my friends are making in the private sector meteorologist positions right now. So again, we're not making out like bandits here. I didn't go in to the NWS because of the pay. I probably could have made more eventually if I stayed private sector and went into management. I went in because they hire very little and only take the creme de la creme of meteorologists, and I wanted to be a part of that elite group.Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
LyraM45 0 #14 December 31, 2012 Federal employees have been in a freeze for the last 2 years. And we're getting a .5% increase now. Whoopdefreakindo..... I wouldn't get your panties too much in a twist over it. Still, I'm thankful for the .5%. Don't get me wrong. Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #15 December 31, 2012 It's not the amount it's the principal. There are millions without even a job, or have had their cost of living frozen for years as well. Why should the people that have caused us all to be in this fucked up situation get theirs? This is directed to the pres, vice pres, and lawmakers, not sure if the increase they are talking about is for ALL fed workers. The only tables I have seen were for them so I assumed its just for them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,817 #16 December 31, 2012 >It's not the amount it's the principal. I assume you mean "principle." No, it's not about the principle, it's about solving our massive spending problem. Too many people want to go for the feel-good solution instead of actually doing the work to solve the problem. > Why should the people that have caused us all to be in this fucked up situation get >theirs? Who? The bankers? The people who bought houses they couldn't afford, hoping for a quick buck when they flipped them? The stockbrokers who created byzantine MBS'es? Hard to make sure you screw all of them at the same time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 1 #17 December 31, 2012 QuoteWhy should the people that have caused us all to be in this fucked up situation get theirs? Explain to us how Lyra and the fellow grunt in the adjoining cube caused this. There's a difference between justice and envy. It has to do with such things as character and maturity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 1 #18 December 31, 2012 Quote But the perks are mighty nice... I don't envy or begrudge the "perks" like decent health insurance that Lyra and her cube-neighbor get. Reasonable use of my tax dollars, IMO. 0.5% after a 2-year freeze? Jeez, are we getting raked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #19 December 31, 2012 They should be getting paycuts and there shoud be lay-offs of federal workers much like the RIF's during the Carter Admin. Some just don't get it that we are broke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,884 #20 December 31, 2012 QuoteIt's not the amount it's the principal. There are millions without even a job, or have had their cost of living frozen for years as well. Why should the people that have caused us all to be in this fucked up situation get theirs? When did Wall Street bankers come into the discussion?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #21 December 31, 2012 Your trying to blame our lack of budget and inability to fix the deficit problem on the private sector? Thats what I am talking about when I say "who put us in this situation". Let me put it this way your house gets back up with shit from your sewer system. The shit is half way up the walls. You have two options fix the problem and remove the shit, or raise the ceiling so you have more room to fill with shit. What do you do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #22 December 31, 2012 QuoteYour trying to blame our lack of budget and inability to fix the deficit problem on the private sector? Thats what I am talking about when I say "who put us in this situation". Let me put it this way your house gets back up with shit from your sewer system. The shit is half way up the walls. You have two options fix the problem and remove the shit, or raise the ceiling so you have more room to fill with shit. What do you do? Blame the plumber. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LyraM45 0 #23 December 31, 2012 QuoteThey should be getting paycuts and there shoud be lay-offs of federal workers much like the RIF's during the Carter Admin. Some just don't get it that we are broke. Pay cuts? You do realize that every federal worker is not paid like a congressmen, right? Do you think we all roll around with six figure salaries or something? I just got done talking to somebody in my office, federally employed, who is part of the custodian staff who cleans the place. I can assure you they are not living large. These people are trying to get by just like everybody else. I get the feeling you think federal employees are part of this high paid elite group..... you're wrong. Does this mean there are no federal employees who are overpaid? Of course not, and I'll agree there are probably some areas to cut the fat back on, but to make a blanket statement like you did above is just ignorant of what really happens in the federal employment arena.Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #24 December 31, 2012 What part of "we are broke" are you having the most trouble with? The coming years are going to be painful for many people. Thinking everything is OK and that someone else should have to suffer ie. The Rich, is not dealing with the reality of our situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LyraM45 0 #25 December 31, 2012 Quote Quote But the perks are mighty nice... I don't envy or begrudge the "perks" like decent health insurance that Lyra and her cube-neighbor get. Reasonable use of my tax dollars, IMO. 0.5% after a 2-year freeze? Jeez, are we getting raked. Actually, the health insurance is pretty weak. I pay about double what I paid private sector, and get less. When I got married last year I hopped right on my husbands plan with Lockheed Martin and he's paying for himself plus me, with better benefits than I had through federal employee health benefits, and it's costing him about the same as I put out for myself only and getting much less benefit. So, we're definitely not making out like bandits there. At least not in CA federal health benefit cost area where I live. As for the NWS pay, it's pretty equivalent with what some of my friends are making in the private sector meteorologist positions right now. So again, we're not making out like bandits here. I didn't go in to the NWS because of the pay. I probably could have made more eventually if I stayed private sector and went into management. I went in because they hire very little and only take the creme de la creme of meteorologists, and I wanted to be a part of that elite group.Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites